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I don't think they should be allowed and this is one of the main reasons.
Teachers strike
I remember when the bus mechanics went on strike here. The drivers honored the strike and millions of people were stranded for weeks. Many lost their jobs because they had no way to get to work, Now parents are scrambling in Chicago to find day care for their kids.
Public monopoly employees should not be able to strike. It's fucked up.
Teachers strike
I remember when the bus mechanics went on strike here. The drivers honored the strike and millions of people were stranded for weeks. Many lost their jobs because they had no way to get to work, Now parents are scrambling in Chicago to find day care for their kids.
Public monopoly employees should not be able to strike. It's fucked up.
I do believe public employees should not be allowed to STRIKE.
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Seems if you can't strike your simply paying for a union fat cat to get rich.
Why the fuck do unions exist in the government?! To protect them against tax payers and to get more tax payer money!? That's fucked up...
Worse yet, tax payer money (forced union dues) are used to elect officials who then negotiate for more tax payer money..it's like two wolves and a sheep voting nightly on dinner...its always lamb chops.
How fucked up are the employers?
I think you and I have the same idea about this strike being good and for the same reason and I probably have an entire different political view as you. I'm glad they'res at least one sane person looking at this problem.
It's about time teachers/anyone decided to stick up for the youth of society and it amazes me that anyone could comprehend this as bad while the school system fails children in every way possible. Think of the amount of information professors could teach if we didn't require high school teachers to sensor something as simple as history....
Lets be honest the ONLY reason to be in favor of public unions is for the power..those of you defending them only do it as it bring democrat voters to the booths..aka.pushing the liberal agenda..wake up, they are destroying America...our education system is on the decline!!
Are the standardized tests used for college placement and the ASVAB and public employee tests all rigged, too?
What way would you guys use to guage education success or failure?
Either way, people always yell that teachers and policemen don't get paid enough, but when they try to get more pay and/or benefits the same people say that they get too much.
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If those types of tests were a true reflection of the ability of the teacher, every one of their students would score pretty close to the same on them. Obviously that doesn't happen.
What way would you guys use to guage education success or failure?
I don't believe there is a solid, objective test available to evaluate teacher performance. I think that's the point. Trying to evaluate a teacher's performance on a test most probably has no validity. It makes for a good populist cliche from the likes of Limbaugh and such, but there just isn't a good enough tool to put into use, especially when you are talking about firing someone from their career after so much time and effort is put into it.
This was shown to be an example of teachers and educators doing a great job while not being compensated properly. What you are telling me is that, even though the comparisons are not valid (in your view), even if they were valid, it would be because of our parents and families, not our teachers (since teachers are a constant, but students and family environments are variable).
So, I guess to take the teachers at their word, we should lower the budgets and teacher payroll of the schools that have good results on standardized tests and give those (good) parents a tax break, since those results aren't the result of good teaching, but good parenting?
Or maybe you could come up with some other way of evaluating teacher/school performance (I know you don't like the tests, I asked what you would do, not what you wouldn't do.)
The higher test scores can come from a variety of reasons. It is impossible to say what all the reasons may be. I can't agree with your governor or whoever it is that is giving alll the success to teachers, just as I can't agree with placing all the blame on teachers. But judging a teacher strictly on the standardized scores of their students IS placing all of the blame on the teacher, without taking any of the other multitude of factors into account.
And I don't have a good way to evaluate teachers. But that doesn't mean we should implement a terrible way to do it instead......
There are 14 math teachers at my kids' high school. I guarantee you they don't all have the same mix of kids.
Drives me nuts when people think schools are doing a good job by teaching kids how to pass a crummy standardized test that has no relevance after high school. It's sad to me that the government has tied these teachers hands like they have.
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The leverage isn't the STRIKE in this particular case; it's the ability of the city manager to prepare a satisfactory budget for the city and renewing a satisfactory contract with the different departments. His job depends on it.
And as far as paying a union "Fat Cat", my union president is also my Captain. I work with him every shift. Trust me...he aint getting rich being the prez. and he is a conservative like myself.
Now, the IAFF (International Association of Fire Fighters)...that's a different story. I don't send them my money because I dont want that money to go to Obama.
Again, public employees should NOT be allowed to STRIKE.
The teachers themselves use standardized tests to evaluate their own students, isn't that a bit unfair and or racist?
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