To the guys at AMA / MXSports...ouch.

Neil_Romero
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Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 7:51pm
Per Daniel Blair's twitter,
"Not a bad weekend. AMA needs to up their purse"
http://instagr.am/p/PHyeEBDFXi/

Pretty bad when guys can go down to a race in Fresnillo Mexico for a better payout. How is it that the outdoor nationals cannot afford to increase the purse? Are they not making money?
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es337
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9/3/2012 10:46am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 10:47am
link doesnt work

nevermind
Boxvan446
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9/3/2012 11:08am
So $1100 is a good weekend? Flight, Food, Hotel? I understand the nationals have the same thing but it's not much better. I would think a good pro could do better just hitting up the local Pro-Ams and fair races across the US. I know back before the economy went south a lot of the guys that came up for the Lake County Fair in IL could take home 3-5k for the weekend. Granted, the purse was 20k with factory contingency. Always a
Ramrod
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9/3/2012 11:18am
Let's face it, it is really tough to make a living racing mx bikes no matter where you are. The percentage of pros that do is small.

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WhipMeister
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9/3/2012 12:34pm
$25K next month at Swan Oct 6-7
9/3/2012 12:53pm Edited Date/Time 9/3/2012 12:55pm
Did he win? Guarantee he would have made more if he had won Steel City...

It's all about position.

Funny post by D Blair though. Nice win Primer Lugar.
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9/3/2012 2:52pm
Per Daniel Blair's twitter, "Not a bad weekend. AMA needs to up their purse" http://instagr.am/p/PHyeEBDFXi/ Pretty bad when guys can go down to a race in...
Per Daniel Blair's twitter,
"Not a bad weekend. AMA needs to up their purse"
http://instagr.am/p/PHyeEBDFXi/

Pretty bad when guys can go down to a race in Fresnillo Mexico for a better payout. How is it that the outdoor nationals cannot afford to increase the purse? Are they not making money?
Mexico and other one off races have always done stuff like this.
jeffro503
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9/3/2012 3:15pm
Yep....these smaller venues have some really good payouts. Ask Weston Pieck and his dad Lou.....they have been mopping up on some races up here in the NW over the last couple month. BUT....even with that they are probably barely breaking even.

Some of you guys that have been around the sport a long time may remember Rick Ryan and what he used to do. He would go up and down the west coast hitting all the CMC PAC-West races , gold cup events , special on-off type fair races and so forth....and he made a pretty good living doing it.

Honestly I don't understand why more guys don't do it. I personally have known some smoking fast pro's up here in the NW that would let alone sit home and do nothing than go out and make 3-5K on a weekend......thinking that everything needed to be handed to them....or " The show " wasn't a big enough venue. Fucking stupid.
GuyB
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9/3/2012 3:24pm
Racing in Mexico? That probably included hazard pay.
moto431
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9/3/2012 3:32pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Yep....these smaller venues have some really good payouts. Ask Weston Pieck and his dad Lou.....they have been mopping up on some races up here in the...
Yep....these smaller venues have some really good payouts. Ask Weston Pieck and his dad Lou.....they have been mopping up on some races up here in the NW over the last couple month. BUT....even with that they are probably barely breaking even.

Some of you guys that have been around the sport a long time may remember Rick Ryan and what he used to do. He would go up and down the west coast hitting all the CMC PAC-West races , gold cup events , special on-off type fair races and so forth....and he made a pretty good living doing it.

Honestly I don't understand why more guys don't do it. I personally have known some smoking fast pro's up here in the NW that would let alone sit home and do nothing than go out and make 3-5K on a weekend......thinking that everything needed to be handed to them....or " The show " wasn't a big enough venue. Fucking stupid.
I was racing up North when Rick was doing this. A huge factor was Suzuki contingency at the time. I heard through some sources he was pulling in $100,000.00 a year for a couple years doing this. We would be at a race and he would race the first motos, load up and head to another event the same day to get continency for both events.
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9/3/2012 4:23pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Yep....these smaller venues have some really good payouts. Ask Weston Pieck and his dad Lou.....they have been mopping up on some races up here in the...
Yep....these smaller venues have some really good payouts. Ask Weston Pieck and his dad Lou.....they have been mopping up on some races up here in the NW over the last couple month. BUT....even with that they are probably barely breaking even.

Some of you guys that have been around the sport a long time may remember Rick Ryan and what he used to do. He would go up and down the west coast hitting all the CMC PAC-West races , gold cup events , special on-off type fair races and so forth....and he made a pretty good living doing it.

Honestly I don't understand why more guys don't do it. I personally have known some smoking fast pro's up here in the NW that would let alone sit home and do nothing than go out and make 3-5K on a weekend......thinking that everything needed to be handed to them....or " The show " wasn't a big enough venue. Fucking stupid.
moto431 wrote:
I was racing up North when Rick was doing this. A huge factor was Suzuki contingency at the time. I heard through some sources he was...
I was racing up North when Rick was doing this. A huge factor was Suzuki contingency at the time. I heard through some sources he was pulling in $100,000.00 a year for a couple years doing this. We would be at a race and he would race the first motos, load up and head to another event the same day to get continency for both events.
that doesnt make much sense, dont they pay contingency per moto? or overall finish?
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9/3/2012 4:31pm
If the gates are full you don't need to offer more purse money. Ask Luongo.
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9/3/2012 6:32pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Yep....these smaller venues have some really good payouts. Ask Weston Pieck and his dad Lou.....they have been mopping up on some races up here in the...
Yep....these smaller venues have some really good payouts. Ask Weston Pieck and his dad Lou.....they have been mopping up on some races up here in the NW over the last couple month. BUT....even with that they are probably barely breaking even.

Some of you guys that have been around the sport a long time may remember Rick Ryan and what he used to do. He would go up and down the west coast hitting all the CMC PAC-West races , gold cup events , special on-off type fair races and so forth....and he made a pretty good living doing it.

Honestly I don't understand why more guys don't do it. I personally have known some smoking fast pro's up here in the NW that would let alone sit home and do nothing than go out and make 3-5K on a weekend......thinking that everything needed to be handed to them....or " The show " wasn't a big enough venue. Fucking stupid.
moto431 wrote:
I was racing up North when Rick was doing this. A huge factor was Suzuki contingency at the time. I heard through some sources he was...
I was racing up North when Rick was doing this. A huge factor was Suzuki contingency at the time. I heard through some sources he was pulling in $100,000.00 a year for a couple years doing this. We would be at a race and he would race the first motos, load up and head to another event the same day to get continency for both events.
The last time I raced one of the Pac-west races at Albany ( I think 99' or 2000'? ) Ryan was still around doing his stuff. He always raced 3 - 4 classes and won most of them every year. Me and some buddies went over and talked to Ryan and with his little bit of winnings , contingency money and some sponsor money he racked up about $8000.00 for the weekend. He said there was about 4 - 5 months of doing this traveling up and down the coast and I believe over to Nevada , Montana , Texas and so forth.....and I think he made a pretty good living doing it. Bottom line though....he just loved to race , and was pretty damn good at it.

BTW.....I wonder what ever happened to Rick? Anyone from the So-Cal area see him around any more?
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9/3/2012 6:37pm
GuyB wrote:
Racing in Mexico? That probably included hazard pay.
No kidding.
9/3/2012 6:44pm
GuyB wrote:
Racing in Mexico? That probably included hazard pay.
Scott167 wrote:
No kidding.
Probably need an armored van to flee the country with winnings and your bikes.
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9/3/2012 7:12pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Yep....these smaller venues have some really good payouts. Ask Weston Pieck and his dad Lou.....they have been mopping up on some races up here in the...
Yep....these smaller venues have some really good payouts. Ask Weston Pieck and his dad Lou.....they have been mopping up on some races up here in the NW over the last couple month. BUT....even with that they are probably barely breaking even.

Some of you guys that have been around the sport a long time may remember Rick Ryan and what he used to do. He would go up and down the west coast hitting all the CMC PAC-West races , gold cup events , special on-off type fair races and so forth....and he made a pretty good living doing it.

Honestly I don't understand why more guys don't do it. I personally have known some smoking fast pro's up here in the NW that would let alone sit home and do nothing than go out and make 3-5K on a weekend......thinking that everything needed to be handed to them....or " The show " wasn't a big enough venue. Fucking stupid.
moto431 wrote:
I was racing up North when Rick was doing this. A huge factor was Suzuki contingency at the time. I heard through some sources he was...
I was racing up North when Rick was doing this. A huge factor was Suzuki contingency at the time. I heard through some sources he was pulling in $100,000.00 a year for a couple years doing this. We would be at a race and he would race the first motos, load up and head to another event the same day to get continency for both events.
jeffro503 wrote:
The last time I raced one of the Pac-west races at Albany ( I think 99' or 2000'? ) Ryan was still around doing his stuff...
The last time I raced one of the Pac-west races at Albany ( I think 99' or 2000'? ) Ryan was still around doing his stuff. He always raced 3 - 4 classes and won most of them every year. Me and some buddies went over and talked to Ryan and with his little bit of winnings , contingency money and some sponsor money he racked up about $8000.00 for the weekend. He said there was about 4 - 5 months of doing this traveling up and down the coast and I believe over to Nevada , Montana , Texas and so forth.....and I think he made a pretty good living doing it. Bottom line though....he just loved to race , and was pretty damn good at it.

BTW.....I wonder what ever happened to Rick? Anyone from the So-Cal area see him around any more?
Great story, Jeffro. It''s too easy to forget the regular guys that earn a living at their chosen craft of MX. These are the guys we're lucky enough to see occasionally at the local tracks.
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9/3/2012 7:36pm
I know that everyone wishes the purses were higher, but getting on television is not cheap, let alone free. It costs an extraordinary amount of money to bring in all of those TV trucks and satellites and cameras and laying out the cables and finding the operators and producers for those shows each weekend. That's why the riders get paid by sponsors and why factories invest in racing and find sponsors for their racing programs -- not because of the press they get in industry magazines or online but because of the global audiences that see these races on television. Unfortunately, no network is paying dirt bike races to be on their TV channels; it's still the other way around, but we're all trying to change that.

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9/3/2012 7:40pm
So you're saying that you are losing money by putting the races on TV?
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jeffro503 wrote:
Yep....these smaller venues have some really good payouts. Ask Weston Pieck and his dad Lou.....they have been mopping up on some races up here in the...
Yep....these smaller venues have some really good payouts. Ask Weston Pieck and his dad Lou.....they have been mopping up on some races up here in the NW over the last couple month. BUT....even with that they are probably barely breaking even.

Some of you guys that have been around the sport a long time may remember Rick Ryan and what he used to do. He would go up and down the west coast hitting all the CMC PAC-West races , gold cup events , special on-off type fair races and so forth....and he made a pretty good living doing it.

Honestly I don't understand why more guys don't do it. I personally have known some smoking fast pro's up here in the NW that would let alone sit home and do nothing than go out and make 3-5K on a weekend......thinking that everything needed to be handed to them....or " The show " wasn't a big enough venue. Fucking stupid.
moto431 wrote:
I was racing up North when Rick was doing this. A huge factor was Suzuki contingency at the time. I heard through some sources he was...
I was racing up North when Rick was doing this. A huge factor was Suzuki contingency at the time. I heard through some sources he was pulling in $100,000.00 a year for a couple years doing this. We would be at a race and he would race the first motos, load up and head to another event the same day to get continency for both events.
pitbike502 wrote:
that doesnt make much sense, dont they pay contingency per moto? or overall finish?
I think he means getting in 3 motos a day, 1 at the first event then both motos of the second event. If you wait for the second moto at the first event, you'd miss sign up for the second, later event.

I think....
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9/3/2012 7:51pm


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