Sure feels like Alessi and MC got screwed

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dehner47 8/13/2012 8:42am
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to much politics. takes all the fun outta it.
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GuyB wrote:
You can hear some of his reasoning directly if you check out the homepage. http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/MXoN-2013-Team-USA-Selection,37005/Slideshow,0/GuyB,64 Roger's not afraid to give his opinion. As DC mentioned, he...
You can hear some of his reasoning directly if you check out the homepage.

http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/MXoN-2013-Team-USA-Selection,370…

Roger's not afraid to give his opinion.

As DC mentioned, he also has a bit of a track record of success, and it's hard to argue with that.
I think there is something wrong with the video Steve....I couldn't get it to play. Others worked fine though.
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dehner47 wrote:
to much politics. takes all the fun outta it.
Curious, is it politics that kept Alessi from getting a factory spot this year as fast as he still is if "their program" has been a gigantic pain in the ass for every team that's tried to work with it?
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gharmon 8/13/2012 9:02am
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BobbyM wrote:
yo jay..money talks...bullshit walks. that is EXACTLY why MC.AND TEAM ALESSI should be there. alessi has pride...AMERICAN PRIDE!! BARCIA would be lucky to know what state's...
yo jay..money talks...bullshit walks. that is EXACTLY why MC.AND TEAM ALESSI should be there.

alessi has pride...AMERICAN PRIDE!!


BARCIA would be lucky to know what state's the fucking whitehouse is in.
Acutally Barcia done one of those two tribes things in racerx and Barcia is really a smart kid. So riders don't have a clue sometimes. Barcia din't miss a single question they asked. I also think Barcia would possess that same American pride you speak of.

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ToolMaker 8/13/2012 9:04am
8/13/2012 9:04am
All in all, I believe that Roger has been given the task of picking a winning team and has done exactly that. I believe that just us having this discussion of who should go indicates that we (even without several top riders out there)have the best riders. Imagine being from a country where you have 1 maybe 2 riders and then someone from the local level. How fortunate are we to even have the depth to even have this discussion? That we have so many riders, that good, that we could send several combinations and still have the best team?
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dehner47 8/13/2012 9:07am
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dehner47 wrote:
to much politics. takes all the fun outta it.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
Curious, is it politics that kept Alessi from getting a factory spot this year as fast as he still is if "their program" has been a...
Curious, is it politics that kept Alessi from getting a factory spot this year as fast as he still is if "their program" has been a gigantic pain in the ass for every team that's tried to work with it?
i ment what i said, and imma just keep it at that.
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I think there is something wrong with the video Steve....I couldn't get it to play. Others worked fine though.
I think there is something wrong with the video Steve....I couldn't get it to play. Others worked fine though.
Give it another try. I jiggled some wires.
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I agree FTE. I would not have a problem with Alessi being on the team, I like him. The fact remains, he is not as fast...
I agree FTE. I would not have a problem with Alessi being on the team, I like him. The fact remains, he is not as fast any one of the three top 250 guys.
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x a frikkin 1000
Crashinskinoff wrote:
Average lap times mike has everyone covered but Tomac....I think. Barcia will be on a different bike, just because it hasmore hp don't mean he will...
Average lap times mike has everyone covered but Tomac....I think. Barcia will be on a different bike, just because it hasmore hp don't mean he will be faster, just more crash prone.

mike avg lap moto 1 2:05.452
Tomac. 2:05.075
Barcia 2:08.651
Baggett. 2:06.192
Dungey. 2:04.312

moto 2

mike. 2:07.676
Tomac. 2:08.594
Barcia. 2:09.150
Baggett. 2:07.058
Dungey. 2:06.550

Average laps are a fair comparison, I know a 450 is faster but just showing the people that keep saying he is behind them that he is a bit faster in some cases. What's cool to me is we are having this discussion today, some folks wrote him off, now look where he is, right on. Thats cool you can save the stats in iBooks thanks racerx. Sorry for my grammar and Stuff, that was a lot of typing and I dont get along with this iPad keyboard.
And to be fair the 250 guys raced on a worse track in both motos as they rode a rougher track. And like someone said Barcia had a bad race. Compare the average lap times at more than one place. I know this arguement is about sand riding but some of these people are just saying faster period...meaning overall not just in the sand. Hell I like mike too and hate to see anyone left at home. It would be nice if we could send two teams.
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Sandy Rutz 8/13/2012 10:10am
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Is that supposed to sting, coming from an anonymous member with a short and inglorious posting career? You haven't contributed anything worthwhile yet, and I'll be...
Is that supposed to sting, coming from an anonymous member with a short and inglorious posting career? You haven't contributed anything worthwhile yet, and I'll be shocked when you do. Smile
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Are you insulting me for sticking up for the media.....? Aren't you a member of the media....? That's just weird. I was sticking up for the...
Are you insulting me for sticking up for the media.....? Aren't you a member of the media....? That's just weird.

I was sticking up for the media, saying its a small show and no one can upset the apple cart.
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I'm not sure how you were "sticking up for the media. As to your assertion, people always have choices. That's why I choose to think you...
I'm not sure how you were "sticking up for the media. As to your assertion, people always have choices. That's why I choose to think you sound a lot like someone who used to post here under another name. Smile
My opinion was this, The moto media has to be very careful in what they release or risk being cut out of the loop. It's not that you guys/gals don't ask or don't know through word of mouth and or good speculation and or good rumor's, it's that you can't put it out there. And yet you guys get hammered for not asking the tough questions, which isn't the case. It's just different from mainstream media. As far as having choice's...? It's not like they make you guys sell babies on the black market, I think it would be a great job for a while. Being on the road almost all year though, would get tough after a while. I'm sure it's not as glamorous as some would think..... But a blast none the less.


As far as who I am..... I'm Kyle Redcliff and I live in N. California.
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downandup 8/13/2012 10:14am
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BobbyM wrote:
yo jay..money talks...bullshit walks. that is EXACTLY why MC.AND TEAM ALESSI should be there. alessi has pride...AMERICAN PRIDE!! BARCIA would be lucky to know what state's...
yo jay..money talks...bullshit walks. that is EXACTLY why MC.AND TEAM ALESSI should be there.

alessi has pride...AMERICAN PRIDE!!


BARCIA would be lucky to know what state's the fucking whitehouse is in.
TeamGreen wrote:
Uh, Bobby....

"State"?
Sandy Rutz wrote:
He men't District, I'm sure.........Whistling
I am sorry, but I just can't help it.........

wtf is this word "men't"? Men it? Men to a T? Men to? men tits?

I have seen some bad spelling and grammar, but this made up word takes the cake!!!
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downandup 8/13/2012 10:17am
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Roger DeCoster has managed Team USA to, what, 22 wins? And he's done it with some pretty controversial line-ups.... Shouldn't we let The Man who knows...
Roger DeCoster has managed Team USA to, what, 22 wins? And he's done it with some pretty controversial line-ups....

Shouldn't we let The Man who knows the event better than anyone -- he won it and the Trophee des Nations, what, ten times as a rider with Team Belgium? -- and he has a very good idea of how the team will work together in the two weeks they will be over there (they are leaving the day after the Lake Elsinore National). That's a lot of time to be together, ride together, work together...

Everyone knows that Mike Alessi is one of the fastest 450 riders in the sport right now, but Roger knows what it takes to win this race, and on a specific track that he knows very well. I say we trust his decision and see how it all plays out.

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^^^^ THIS ^^^^
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ML512 8/13/2012 10:24am
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BobbyM wrote:
yo jay..money talks...bullshit walks. that is EXACTLY why MC.AND TEAM ALESSI should be there. alessi has pride...AMERICAN PRIDE!! BARCIA would be lucky to know what state's...
yo jay..money talks...bullshit walks. that is EXACTLY why MC.AND TEAM ALESSI should be there.

alessi has pride...AMERICAN PRIDE!!


BARCIA would be lucky to know what state's the fucking whitehouse is in.
gharmon wrote:
Acutally Barcia done one of those two tribes things in racerx and Barcia is really a smart kid. So riders don't have a clue sometimes. Barcia...
Acutally Barcia done one of those two tribes things in racerx and Barcia is really a smart kid. So riders don't have a clue sometimes. Barcia din't miss a single question they asked. I also think Barcia would possess that same American pride you speak of.
So Bobby are you an expert on all things Barcia? Its BS that you would get on here and question someone's American Pride...
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Sandy Rutz 8/13/2012 10:32am
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DC wrote:
Roger DeCoster has managed Team USA to, what, 22 wins? And he's done it with some pretty controversial line-ups.... Shouldn't we let The Man who knows...
Roger DeCoster has managed Team USA to, what, 22 wins? And he's done it with some pretty controversial line-ups....

Shouldn't we let The Man who knows the event better than anyone -- he won it and the Trophee des Nations, what, ten times as a rider with Team Belgium? -- and he has a very good idea of how the team will work together in the two weeks they will be over there (they are leaving the day after the Lake Elsinore National). That's a lot of time to be together, ride together, work together...

Everyone knows that Mike Alessi is one of the fastest 450 riders in the sport right now, but Roger knows what it takes to win this race, and on a specific track that he knows very well. I say we trust his decision and see how it all plays out.

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You are right sir................
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Sandy Rutz 8/13/2012 10:35am
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TeamGreen wrote:
Uh, Bobby....

"State"?
Sandy Rutz wrote:
He men't District, I'm sure.........Whistling
downandup wrote:
I am sorry, but I just can't help it......... wtf is this word "[b]men't"?[/b] Men it? Men to a T? Men to? men tits? I have...
I am sorry, but I just can't help it.........

wtf is this word "men't"? Men it? Men to a T? Men to? men tits?

I have seen some bad spelling and grammar, but this made up word takes the cake!!!
Meant.............. There you go. I'm working on being assmartasyou.............Wink


P.S Since when is wtf a word...?
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Sandy Rutz wrote:
He men't District, I'm sure.........Whistling
downandup wrote:
I am sorry, but I just can't help it......... wtf is this word "[b]men't"?[/b] Men it? Men to a T? Men to? men tits? I have...
I am sorry, but I just can't help it.........

wtf is this word "men't"? Men it? Men to a T? Men to? men tits?

I have seen some bad spelling and grammar, but this made up word takes the cake!!!
Sandy Rutz wrote:
Meant.............. There you go. I'm working on being assmartasyou.............Wink


P.S Since when is wtf a word...?
hahahaha!

got me!
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5 pages, the name Alessi in the title and it's not in the dumbgeon? Is this progress or has Mikey's strong finishes brought a lot of his believe the hype and kill switch critics to lessen their rhetoric?
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Sandy Rutz 8/13/2012 10:49am
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downandup wrote:
hahahaha!

got me!
Lol.......
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BigDaddyG 8/13/2012 10:54am
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They should have picked MA800, the way he cuts lines in front of everyone and looks back he would be sure to take out 1/2 the field and give us a better shot at getting the "W"

I think it was a good call to take Barcia, he has Alessi covered, easily. He races forward and to the checkers....not everyone does.

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TeamGreen 8/13/2012 11:04am
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GuyB wrote:
You can hear some of his reasoning directly if you check out the homepage. http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/MXoN-2013-Team-USA-Selection,37005/Slideshow,0/GuyB,64 Roger's not afraid to give his opinion. As DC mentioned, he...
You can hear some of his reasoning directly if you check out the homepage.

http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/MXoN-2013-Team-USA-Selection,370…

Roger's not afraid to give his opinion.

As DC mentioned, he also has a bit of a track record of success, and it's hard to argue with that.
"Your Device Does Not SUPPORT FLASH-PLAYER"!

Pfffft...

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GuyB 8/13/2012 11:10am
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GuyB wrote:
You can hear some of his reasoning directly if you check out the homepage. http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/MXoN-2013-Team-USA-Selection,37005/Slideshow,0/GuyB,64 Roger's not afraid to give his opinion. As DC mentioned, he...
You can hear some of his reasoning directly if you check out the homepage.

http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/MXoN-2013-Team-USA-Selection,370…

Roger's not afraid to give his opinion.

As DC mentioned, he also has a bit of a track record of success, and it's hard to argue with that.
TeamGreen wrote:
"Your Device Does Not SUPPORT FLASH-PLAYER"!

Pfffft...

Guy B, minus 10 points.

"I know it was you, Gibby. You broke my heart."
Some things are worth watching and listening to on your laptop or desktop. It's not *all* a mobile world. Smile
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TeamGreen 8/13/2012 11:29am
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GuyB wrote:
You can hear some of his reasoning directly if you check out the homepage. http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/MXoN-2013-Team-USA-Selection,37005/Slideshow,0/GuyB,64 Roger's not afraid to give his opinion. As DC mentioned, he...
You can hear some of his reasoning directly if you check out the homepage.

http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/MXoN-2013-Team-USA-Selection,370…

Roger's not afraid to give his opinion.

As DC mentioned, he also has a bit of a track record of success, and it's hard to argue with that.
TeamGreen wrote:
"Your Device Does Not SUPPORT FLASH-PLAYER"!

Pfffft...

Guy B, minus 10 points.

"I know it was you, Gibby. You broke my heart."
GuyB wrote:
Some things are worth watching and listening to on your laptop or desktop. It's not *all* a mobile world. Smile
Uh, sure, uh...Guy...?

I'm gonna need you to handle these TPS reports a little more "carefully". Ummmm, yup, uh...I'm gonna need you to come in this weekend and fix this.

Have you seen the New Cover Sheet we're using?

Signed,

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Crashinskinoff 8/13/2012 11:41am
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Wow I was trying to side with Decoster until I heard that, what a crock of crap. It isn't like Mike crashes folks, MX isn't a team sport you just try to win the race or place as high as you can, what kind of team stuff am i missing? The only team stuff I see is their points are added together and they wear the same shirts. Sharing bike setups doesn't always workout. Why not have a qualifying race like the Olympics, top 3 go and 4th is a backup.
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GuyB 8/13/2012 11:48am
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Uh, sure, uh...Guy...? I'm gonna need you to handle these TPS reports a little more "carefully". Ummmm, yup, uh...I'm gonna need you to come in this...
Uh, sure, uh...Guy...?

I'm gonna need you to handle these TPS reports a little more "carefully". Ummmm, yup, uh...I'm gonna need you to come in this weekend and fix this.

Have you seen the New Cover Sheet we're using?

Signed,

Lumbergh
Hmm, odd...I work most weekends already.

Now about that stapler...
Crashinskinoff 8/13/2012 11:51am
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dehner47 wrote:
to much politics. takes all the fun outta it.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
Curious, is it politics that kept Alessi from getting a factory spot this year as fast as he still is if "their program" has been a...
Curious, is it politics that kept Alessi from getting a factory spot this year as fast as he still is if "their program" has been a gigantic pain in the ass for every team that's tried to work with it?
Serious question. Why does their program have anything to do with MXoN. Send him over with his team and add the their points in. I think Roger gets to much credit, he's not riding the bikes. There are always 2 sides to every story, most internet experts just go by the gossip they hear, I know you have inside info but unless you were there we really don't know what went down. Roger has a lot of power in the sport, i think it's sort of like when a country wins a war their version of history is what is recorded. Mike has struggled over the years because of injuries maybe that's why he didn't get a factory ride, everyone lost faith in him. People just need to move on and cut him and Tony some slack.
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TeamGreen 8/13/2012 11:52am
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TeamGreen wrote:
Uh, sure, uh...Guy...? I'm gonna need you to handle these TPS reports a little more "carefully". Ummmm, yup, uh...I'm gonna need you to come in this...
Uh, sure, uh...Guy...?

I'm gonna need you to handle these TPS reports a little more "carefully". Ummmm, yup, uh...I'm gonna need you to come in this weekend and fix this.

Have you seen the New Cover Sheet we're using?

Signed,

Lumbergh
GuyB wrote:
Hmm, odd...I work most weekends already.

Now about that stapler...
Hence...

Mobile DEVICES!

Yup, we're going to need this space. You're going to have to move Down-Stairs. If you still have questions about your pay-check you're going to have to go see the folks in HR.

Oh, and, let's keep those threats about "Burning this Place Down" to a minimum, OK?
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TeamGreen wrote:
Hence... Mobile DEVICES! Yup, we're going to need this space. You're going to have to move Down-Stairs. If you still have questions about your pay-check you're...
Hence...

Mobile DEVICES!

Yup, we're going to need this space. You're going to have to move Down-Stairs. If you still have questions about your pay-check you're going to have to go see the folks in HR.

Oh, and, let's keep those threats about "Burning this Place Down" to a minimum, OK?
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I am shocked this thread has not turned into a USA vs. Europe bashing thread. I am very proud of you folks. I think the Europeans are afraid we Americans might bring up the olympic medals count. j/k. I enjoyed all of your opinions and I agree with Decosters decision. But I think Alessi would do a fine job as well. Hopefully we can see the race on tv before spring of 2013.
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Crashinskinoff wrote:
Serious question. Why does their program have anything to do with MXoN. Send him over with his team and add the their points in. I think...
Serious question. Why does their program have anything to do with MXoN. Send him over with his team and add the their points in. I think Roger gets to much credit, he's not riding the bikes. There are always 2 sides to every story, most internet experts just go by the gossip they hear, I know you have inside info but unless you were there we really don't know what went down. Roger has a lot of power in the sport, i think it's sort of like when a country wins a war their version of history is what is recorded. Mike has struggled over the years because of injuries maybe that's why he didn't get a factory ride, everyone lost faith in him. People just need to move on and cut him and Tony some slack.
Crash, I think it's fairly simple.
Roger D picks and runs the USA team.
Roger D is not going to work with or be part of anything to do with Team A.
As for Roger getting too much credit, you might find a few people to disagree..
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GuyB wrote:
You can hear some of his reasoning directly if you check out the homepage. http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/MXoN-2013-Team-USA-Selection,37005/Slideshow,0/GuyB,64 Roger's not afraid to give his opinion. As DC mentioned, he...
You can hear some of his reasoning directly if you check out the homepage.

http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/MXoN-2013-Team-USA-Selection,370…

Roger's not afraid to give his opinion.

As DC mentioned, he also has a bit of a track record of success, and it's hard to argue with that.
TeamGreen wrote:
"Your Device Does Not SUPPORT FLASH-PLAYER"!

Pfffft...

Guy B, minus 10 points.

"I know it was you, Gibby. You broke my heart."
GuyB wrote:
Some things are worth watching and listening to on your laptop or desktop. It's not *all* a mobile world. Smile
For a good amount of us it is now.
Crashinskinoff 8/13/2012 1:21pm
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Crashinskinoff wrote:
Serious question. Why does their program have anything to do with MXoN. Send him over with his team and add the their points in. I think...
Serious question. Why does their program have anything to do with MXoN. Send him over with his team and add the their points in. I think Roger gets to much credit, he's not riding the bikes. There are always 2 sides to every story, most internet experts just go by the gossip they hear, I know you have inside info but unless you were there we really don't know what went down. Roger has a lot of power in the sport, i think it's sort of like when a country wins a war their version of history is what is recorded. Mike has struggled over the years because of injuries maybe that's why he didn't get a factory ride, everyone lost faith in him. People just need to move on and cut him and Tony some slack.
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Crash, I think it's fairly simple. Roger D picks and runs the USA team. Roger D is not going to work with or be part of...
Crash, I think it's fairly simple.
Roger D picks and runs the USA team.
Roger D is not going to work with or be part of anything to do with Team A.
As for Roger getting too much credit, you might find a few people to disagree..
Cool man, thanks for the reply. Roger kept saying it's a team thing, so I think it's fair to ask what does a teamwork have to do with MX? I think your second statement hit it. I'm sure folks would disagree with the credit thing, but USA has better riders, anyway I'll drop it.

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