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Edited Date/Time 7/12/2012 4:05pm
and wanted to do a Red Bull KTM rookie's cup, like the successful motoGP program, with 20 equally prepared KTM 125SXs...


What say you?


For those of you who dont know, the Red Bull rookies cup, is 20 equally prepared KTM 250 road race bikes (they were 125s) that they run before the motoGP races at some of (maybe all) rounds of the motoGP series. It is usually 14-16 yr old kids.


I think the MX version would be wildly popular.





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7/11/2012 11:07am
Johnny, it's already come up several times with KTM and their brass as a concept, just like the old KTM Jr. SX Challenge, or even the CRF 150 Cup we tried.... It's in the "definitely maybe" planning stage.

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7/11/2012 11:21am
that would be sweet.
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7/11/2012 11:32am
Gotta love how they support the youth, motorsports needs these kinds of concepts.
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7/11/2012 11:34am
Katoom72 wrote:
Gotta love how they support the youth, motorsports needs these kinds of concepts.
Agreed!

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7/11/2012 11:38am
Great idea. It would be fun to see something like that happen. The problem I see is that most of the fast amateur kids already have bike sponsors who wouldn't let them participate in an event like that.
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7/11/2012 11:49am
ab, you are exactly right, and that is one of the obstacles here. We are working on a few possibilities... In the meantime, we added a two-stroke class at Loretta Lynn's to see how that works out.

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yeah for sure the amount of $$$ and effort spent these days on top top level AM's would kill them riding anything else.......

that's what finally did in World Mini Race of Champions..........and wasn't there a big dust up DC years ago about your LL bibs due to sponsor conflicts??

but would be way cool to see something like that........IROC for moto..........maybe would be a good way for some unknowns to get in the spotlight?? some type of second tier type of qualifying throughout the country along with LL stuff??

you can only enter that if you're NOT trying to get to LL in normal classes or something??
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7/11/2012 11:58am
Where do we sign?
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And I'll still sponsor the holeshot award as long as it's a 2 stroke event.

KTM bringing the 125's back to the US was a step in the right direction. Glad to see someone has a shred of common sense when it comes to bridging the gap between the 85's and 250's. TM amping up their 125 to the point I heard they may drop the 144? And Husky offering up such a sweet looking 125 that comes with a bolt on 150 kit included in the $5999.00 price. Oh, and let's not forget Yamaha still offering their 2005 YZ125 for sale today.

The way I see it, there are four mfgs. currently offering 125's here in the states. We could call them the Big 4.
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7/11/2012 12:31pm
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ab, you are exactly right, and that is one of the obstacles here. We are working on a few possibilities... In the meantime, we added a...
ab, you are exactly right, and that is one of the obstacles here. We are working on a few possibilities... In the meantime, we added a two-stroke class at Loretta Lynn's to see how that works out.

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if conflicts like this prevent it from becoming reality a plain old 125 class would be just fine. (:
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7/11/2012 12:41pm
DC wrote:
Johnny, it's already come up several times with KTM and their brass as a concept, just like the old KTM Jr. SX Challenge, or even the...
Johnny, it's already come up several times with KTM and their brass as a concept, just like the old KTM Jr. SX Challenge, or even the CRF 150 Cup we tried.... It's in the "definitely maybe" planning stage.

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Don't fuck with me Davey, you're giving me a boner.

Hope this happens.
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7/11/2012 12:45pm
This would be awesome to see
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7/11/2012 12:46pm
newmann wrote:
And I'll still sponsor the holeshot award as long as it's a 2 stroke event. KTM bringing the 125's back to the US was a step...
And I'll still sponsor the holeshot award as long as it's a 2 stroke event.

KTM bringing the 125's back to the US was a step in the right direction. Glad to see someone has a shred of common sense when it comes to bridging the gap between the 85's and 250's. TM amping up their 125 to the point I heard they may drop the 144? And Husky offering up such a sweet looking 125 that comes with a bolt on 150 kit included in the $5999.00 price. Oh, and let's not forget Yamaha still offering their 2005 YZ125 for sale today.

The way I see it, there are four mfgs. currently offering 125's here in the states. We could call them the Big 4.
i have confirmation from TM brass that the 144 has been dropped because the 125 literally produces more HP now.

also, their EFI 125 is functional in their karting application, turns 14k rpms and makes even MORE power. they are just tweaking it for MX, and it is coming down the pipe.....pun intended.
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7/11/2012 1:04pm
awesome...........I'm sure they'll sell all 6 of them........
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7/11/2012 1:06pm Edited Date/Time 7/11/2012 1:08pm
I suppose it would be similar to the EMX 125 European championship series that runs alongside the GP series?

For those that side of the pond unfamiliar with it, it's 8 Rounds for kids from 13- 19,bridging the gap between riding 85's and 250f 's,affordable racing,giving the kids the chance to be involved in the atmosphere of a big GP event and under the eye of team bosses etc,everyone's a winner Smile

A huge amount of good MX2 Riders have gone through it too
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7/11/2012 1:13pm Edited Date/Time 7/11/2012 5:57pm
newmann wrote:
And I'll still sponsor the holeshot award as long as it's a 2 stroke event. KTM bringing the 125's back to the US was a step...
And I'll still sponsor the holeshot award as long as it's a 2 stroke event.

KTM bringing the 125's back to the US was a step in the right direction. Glad to see someone has a shred of common sense when it comes to bridging the gap between the 85's and 250's. TM amping up their 125 to the point I heard they may drop the 144? And Husky offering up such a sweet looking 125 that comes with a bolt on 150 kit included in the $5999.00 price. Oh, and let's not forget Yamaha still offering their 2005 YZ125 for sale today.

The way I see it, there are four mfgs. currently offering 125's here in the states. We could call them the Big 4.
i have confirmation from TM brass that the 144 has been dropped because the 125 literally produces more HP now. also, their EFI 125 is functional...
i have confirmation from TM brass that the 144 has been dropped because the 125 literally produces more HP now.

also, their EFI 125 is functional in their karting application, turns 14k rpms and makes even MORE power. they are just tweaking it for MX, and it is coming down the pipe.....pun intended.
Kart motors alway turn more rpm and make more hp. They have dry clutches, no power valves, and most importantly a straight intake path. Don't forget that they have no bottom end as they are tuned for max rpm only.
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7/11/2012 5:17pm
mauidex wrote:
awesome...........I'm sure they'll sell all 6 of them........
You do realize the United States is not the only place that has motocross bikes, right?
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mauidex wrote:
awesome...........I'm sure they'll sell all 6 of them........
You do realize the United States is not the only place that has motocross bikes, right?
obviously...........just ridiculous it seems to have 6............f'n SIX bikes available in absolutely, without question, the strongest market and sales of off road bikes in the world.............you do realize that right.........
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7/11/2012 6:25pm
so you are saying that the Jr sx challange is coming back too?
cool!
KTM is taking over the industry.
we are doing a 125cc open class at the Lake County Fair mx in 2 weeks also.
2-strokes may save moto.
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7/11/2012 6:48pm
It would be epic, but don't most top guys that would be the main target for a series like that already have commitments to specific brands? Just a thought.
7/11/2012 8:43pm
How did the Kawasaki Race of Champions work? Weren't there factory supported riders on other brands that threw legs over the KX80s?
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7/11/2012 8:50pm
Damn great idea on the Redbull rookie cup type deal.

We do need a change up of some sort....and this may be the ticket. Either way.....we "need" something.........I just don't know what it is. Still like the idea of having an open AM 125cc class during the nationals. Actually.....open to any class.....Pro-Int. I think it would be an awesome addition.
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7/11/2012 10:19pm
How did the Kawasaki Race of Champions work? Weren't there factory supported riders on other brands that threw legs over the KX80s?
Everyone on kx 80's regardless of primary sponsor.
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I love it. Make it happen.
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7/12/2012 12:24am Edited Date/Time 7/12/2012 12:26am
mauidex wrote:
awesome...........I'm sure they'll sell all 6 of them........
You do realize the United States is not the only place that has motocross bikes, right?
mauidex wrote:
obviously...........just ridiculous it seems to have 6............f'n SIX bikes available in absolutely, without question, the strongest market and sales of off road bikes in the world.............you...
obviously...........just ridiculous it seems to have 6............f'n SIX bikes available in absolutely, without question, the strongest market and sales of off road bikes in the world.............you do realize that right.........
TM sell EVERY bike they make at full price. No "leftovers" or "stock clearance" sales.These beautiful bikes are mostly made to order. You want one they'll build you one. Want a 144? they'll build you one. Just don't expect to walk into a dealer and find rows of them sitting waiting for a buyer. Ain't ever going to happen.
Btw TM's new 250 2t engine is also nearly ready for production.
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I got some old 1984 pictures of Larry ward in his red helmet with the two white stripes from the Kawasaki race of champions. That race back then was awesome!
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7/12/2012 5:02am
never happen, guys! all the fast kids have deals with other brands.

besides that, no kids going to show up at a national and ride some bike he's never ridden before.

great idea, but no way to make it work in the US.
7/12/2012 6:45am Edited Date/Time 7/12/2012 6:45am
j100 wrote:
never happen, guys! all the fast kids have deals with other brands. besides that, no kids going to show up at a national and ride some...
never happen, guys! all the fast kids have deals with other brands.

besides that, no kids going to show up at a national and ride some bike he's never ridden before.

great idea, but no way to make it work in the US.
"no kids going to show up at a national and ride some bike he's never ridden before."

disagree. if you want to make it nowadays, you'll do whatever is required of you.if this was an important event, there would be a turnout. making it relevant is the key, and it seems like it would be.
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j100 wrote:
never happen, guys! all the fast kids have deals with other brands. besides that, no kids going to show up at a national and ride some...
never happen, guys! all the fast kids have deals with other brands.

besides that, no kids going to show up at a national and ride some bike he's never ridden before.

great idea, but no way to make it work in the US.
A kid who shows up and wins on a bike he's never ridden.....well that kid would be getting offers to ride other bikes that he's never ridden.

All the mfgs. have gotten just a little too full of themselves over the years. These are amateurs we are talking about here after all. The fact that the bike companies spent themselves to the brink of bankruptcy financing amateur careers might just have something to do with $8700.00 dirt bikes that sit on the dealer floors and collect dust. Never ceases to amaze me the number of pro riders you hear of that don't own a bike or want someone to give them a good bike to ride otherwise they won't ride. Some of these are the ones who ran through numerous bikes each year as an amateur. If the amateurs didn't get paid, maybe some pros could get paid.
7/12/2012 7:14am
j100 wrote:
never happen, guys! all the fast kids have deals with other brands. besides that, no kids going to show up at a national and ride some...
never happen, guys! all the fast kids have deals with other brands.

besides that, no kids going to show up at a national and ride some bike he's never ridden before.

great idea, but no way to make it work in the US.
Dude, did you not see the picture of Antunez (with Suzuki sponsorships) on the KX80?

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