DC LLQ question

crusher773
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6/15/2012 6:34am
If you came off the couch and still got 2nd at the regional you definitely don't belong in the class. You are freaking nuts if you think a C rider has a chance of winning. I'm not talking about winning I'm talking about qualifying even with the way you pros think its ok to drop down. When I started the post it was not pointed at you at all it was about someone else that has no issues whatsoever and no excuses for dropping down other than he wants to trophy hunt. You definitely have more of a case than the other guys for wanting to drop down. Your speed speaks for itself though if you can do what you did by not even working it shows that you still have the talent and belong in another class. If this is the way it was done we'd see guys like Henry bumping down or I bet if you ask Jimmy Button he wouldn't dream of it even. Trey broke his back so I guess he should just quit racing pro drop back down to B. I've been hurt several times over the years I guess I should drop back down and race 85s. Not that I would win there against those little psychos. Again the point is that its B/C not former A/B
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6/15/2012 6:57am
I got second at the area but at the regional at freestone I didn't qualify. I made it as an alternate in illinoius with an 8th so my chances are slim I can make it but hell yea I will go and try. I got hurt racing in 99 and I was in the b class. At this time it was the fastest I have ever been. I did not say 8 laps I said 3 laps and that was how many times I got lapped in the prosport at LL. I think I only got lapped twice 1 moto. I also have broke my back and my neck twice and can tell u a broke back or neck ain't shit unless u damage your spinal cord. If you look at the lap times of the regional at freestone I believe a c rider had a faster lap then I did. I have never had a pro license I did race prosport but any one can all you have to do is send in you money and you can to. That does not mean I should have been in that class. If you have been around for a while AMA is right most of the time and can move u up r down a class. You r only suppose to be able to race c class once but AMA let's some people race as many times as they can because of there physical condition. If Doug Henry wanted to race LL I hope he would be allowed to race 30 BC. I don't know if you still race but if you go to LL holla at me and I think you would probably would think I was in the right class. If not then that's great to. If you don't ride for years you are not as fast as you used to be so I think AMA got it right. If you r trying to qualify this year good luck
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6/15/2012 7:09am
been following this thread. i can see it both ways and i'm torn on what to think.

Aaron: what if you goto LL's this year and you win or place top 5 in 30b/c. how do you think that looks if you were once an A/pro-am rider?

i've known and watched/shot pic's of many ambulatory/para riders, i completely understand where your coming from and do understand that your skill level can be limited by injury.
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6/15/2012 7:40am Edited Date/Time 6/15/2012 7:41am
These are your exact words from your letter..

Hello my name is Aaron Lindsey I received a letter saying that I cannot race the 30+B C. I would like to appeal to be able to race this class. I have not raced a motocross race since 2008 and I raced an area in Louisiana for my first race back. Racing is something I love to do and grew up doing I won Loretta Lynn's in 1993 on a 60.




Dude your story is falling apart....

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6/15/2012 7:42am Edited Date/Time 6/15/2012 7:43am
So which is it man?
6/15/2012 7:49am
dboivin wrote:
been following this thread. i can see it both ways and i'm torn on what to think. Aaron: what if you goto LL's this year and...
been following this thread. i can see it both ways and i'm torn on what to think.

Aaron: what if you goto LL's this year and you win or place top 5 in 30b/c. how do you think that looks if you were once an A/pro-am rider?

i've known and watched/shot pic's of many ambulatory/para riders, i completely understand where your coming from and do understand that your skill level can be limited by injury.
The most difficult thing for me was trying to understand exactly what Weasels was saying. I didn't know if Aaron was trying to play the injury car or not. I briefly spoke to him at the area but not enough to get a feel for who he was. I definitely took more time to speak with him about his issues in Freestone when I should have at the area. People were pressuring me and telling what I should or shouldn't do with the protest. I didn't want to protest and struggled emotionally with the whole ordeal. It was a very stressful situation for me coming into the Regional at Freestone. My focus is not to qualify for LL, I want to WIN, period, that's all I want. I've been training for an entire year and harder than most kids half my age and I don't want anything or anyone that is associated with cheating to take that from me. I'm setting an example for my 3 children at the same time and they see and hear all of this. So it made it very difficult.

On the other side of it, for me and him this could be the most EPIC opportunity for us in competition in our later years. We have a history together, racing each other on 80's and the supermini in the mid to late 90's. I quit and he was well on his way to what look to be a pro career until he was injured at Whitney. The idea of coming back after only competing, or even riding 2 years in the last 14 years, with someone that I spent many laps staring the back of his jersey before I quit is pretty surreal for me. I was sure everyone was pro by now.

I like Aaron and I also think he is a good person who I will continue to stay in touch with over the years. As for all the hooplaablahblah, Its in the AMA's hands, and that is that. They granted his appeal, so they have spoken. As for the others, I don't know their stories and don't really care. Protesting made me feel like a bitch LOL ... Oh, well, everything happens for a reason. No harm no foul. I've learned a lot through this. My first trip to Loretta's is turning out to be more memorable than I could have ever expected. I'm just glad to be back riding and showing my children the sport and sportsmanship of the sport I grew up loving and can't wait till we make the trip to LL. See you all there! :-))
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6/15/2012 8:00am
Every year there are issues with this 30 B/C class.

Speculation would say if you can finish in the top 5 or so in this class, you probably shouldn't be in it. No different with the C classes, but those aren't dealing with older ages groups as a rule.

Hopefully the AMA and MX sports will take a look at the issues surrounding the class, and deal with it appropriately. MX Sports developed the class to deal with one issue, but created what many feel is a bigger can of worms...

Good luck to all LL"s participants. There's nothing more fun than spending the week watching/competing with all the best Am's in the USA. Hopefully you are riding in a class that's appropriate.
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6/15/2012 8:00am
What I am saying is obviously Aaron still has speed and if like he said he just decided to race right before the last area and he still qualified he should not be in 30+b/c. You trained very hard all year and it showed , Aaron claims he just decided to race..
Jeff I guarantee if Aaron won LL and you got 2nd you would have a different tune. In fact I think you were complaining about him after your area that he beat you...
6/15/2012 8:32am
weasel49 wrote:
What I am saying is obviously Aaron still has speed and if like he said he just decided to race right before the last area and...
What I am saying is obviously Aaron still has speed and if like he said he just decided to race right before the last area and he still qualified he should not be in 30+b/c. You trained very hard all year and it showed , Aaron claims he just decided to race..
Jeff I guarantee if Aaron won LL and you got 2nd you would have a different tune. In fact I think you were complaining about him after your area that he beat you...
You're right, I may sing a different tune if he beats me LOL! ;-)) I was def pissed when I found out all the details of his past racing. Same goes for the others though. When I started to look up all the winners of the Areas I was blown away! First name bagger, second name, bagger, 3rd name, legit, 4th name, bagger... I was like WTF!!!!!!!!!
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6/15/2012 8:35am
weasel49 wrote:
What I am saying is obviously Aaron still has speed and if like he said he just decided to race right before the last area and...
What I am saying is obviously Aaron still has speed and if like he said he just decided to race right before the last area and he still qualified he should not be in 30+b/c. You trained very hard all year and it showed , Aaron claims he just decided to race..
Jeff I guarantee if Aaron won LL and you got 2nd you would have a different tune. In fact I think you were complaining about him after your area that he beat you...
You're right, I may sing a different tune if he beats me LOL! ;-)) I was def pissed when I found out all the details of...
You're right, I may sing a different tune if he beats me LOL! ;-)) I was def pissed when I found out all the details of his past racing. Same goes for the others though. When I started to look up all the winners of the Areas I was blown away! First name bagger, second name, bagger, 3rd name, legit, 4th name, bagger... I was like WTF!!!!!!!!!
That's why there shouldn't even be skill divisions in age classes.. I know that would suck for guys who don't have the speed to qualify in an open class but it sure seems like the B/C is always more of a pain in the ass than it's worth.
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6/15/2012 8:40am
Shawn142 wrote:
That's why there shouldn't even be skill divisions in age classes.. I know that would suck for guys who don't have the speed to qualify in...
That's why there shouldn't even be skill divisions in age classes.. I know that would suck for guys who don't have the speed to qualify in an open class but it sure seems like the B/C is always more of a pain in the ass than it's worth.
Isn't this like the third year in a row there have been issues because of former Pro/Expert riders that have dropped down?
Maybe it is time to rethink this class.
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6/15/2012 8:57am Edited Date/Time 6/15/2012 9:00am
jndmx wrote:
Isn't this like the third year in a row there have been issues because of former Pro/Expert riders that have dropped down? Maybe it is time...
Isn't this like the third year in a row there have been issues because of former Pro/Expert riders that have dropped down?
Maybe it is time to rethink this class.
Just eliminate any exceptions to the rule. If you have raced A in the past, you cannot under any circumstance race B/C. On appeal the only issue at hand is whether the racer has ever raced A class or not. Allowing relief based on personal circumstances just brings about unnecessary brain damage. It may seem harsh in some instances, but if you are no longer A speed you have 2 choices: Train and get faster, or don't plan on racing the national championship.
6/15/2012 9:13am Edited Date/Time 6/15/2012 9:14am
jndmx wrote:
Isn't this like the third year in a row there have been issues because of former Pro/Expert riders that have dropped down? Maybe it is time...
Isn't this like the third year in a row there have been issues because of former Pro/Expert riders that have dropped down?
Maybe it is time to rethink this class.
GrapeApe wrote:
Just eliminate any exceptions to the rule. If you have raced A in the past, you cannot under any circumstance race B/C. On appeal the only...
Just eliminate any exceptions to the rule. If you have raced A in the past, you cannot under any circumstance race B/C. On appeal the only issue at hand is whether the racer has ever raced A class or not. Allowing relief based on personal circumstances just brings about unnecessary brain damage. It may seem harsh in some instances, but if you are no longer A speed you have 2 choices: Train and get faster, or don't plan on racing the national championship.
AMA results only show back to 2006 on the site. Most of these guys that are bagging were racing pro in the late 90's early 2000's. IT can be hard to find those details along with the local pro stats if they don't post online. Besides, It takes a lot of time to track those that race pro class locally and no AMA events for extended periods of time. They need to develop the MX program to be more tied in with the tracks in each region. Maybe provide a database to upload local race results that the AMA can monitor. Its all about enhancing and creating programs that will eliminate these issues.
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6/15/2012 9:31am
AMA results only show back to 2006 on the site. Most of these guys that are bagging were racing pro in the late 90's early 2000's...
AMA results only show back to 2006 on the site. Most of these guys that are bagging were racing pro in the late 90's early 2000's. IT can be hard to find those details along with the local pro stats if they don't post online. Besides, It takes a lot of time to track those that race pro class locally and no AMA events for extended periods of time. They need to develop the MX program to be more tied in with the tracks in each region. Maybe provide a database to upload local race results that the AMA can monitor. Its all about enhancing and creating programs that will eliminate these issues.
Better idea..

Maybe people should just follow the rules, but when they don't guys like you and I can inform the AMA of what's happening. Then they can do their job and rule accordingly.

Aaron's case may be a bit different, but at the end of the day when people try to drop down a class for whatever the reason for a national am race like LL's it just taints the entire system.
6/15/2012 9:43am
AMA results only show back to 2006 on the site. Most of these guys that are bagging were racing pro in the late 90's early 2000's...
AMA results only show back to 2006 on the site. Most of these guys that are bagging were racing pro in the late 90's early 2000's. IT can be hard to find those details along with the local pro stats if they don't post online. Besides, It takes a lot of time to track those that race pro class locally and no AMA events for extended periods of time. They need to develop the MX program to be more tied in with the tracks in each region. Maybe provide a database to upload local race results that the AMA can monitor. Its all about enhancing and creating programs that will eliminate these issues.
sc961 wrote:
Better idea.. Maybe people should just follow the rules, but when they don't guys like you and I can inform the AMA of what's happening. Then...
Better idea..

Maybe people should just follow the rules, but when they don't guys like you and I can inform the AMA of what's happening. Then they can do their job and rule accordingly.

Aaron's case may be a bit different, but at the end of the day when people try to drop down a class for whatever the reason for a national am race like LL's it just taints the entire system.
I agree, but like I said previously, I don't like to protest and feel that the entity (AMA) that creates rules for regulation should also provide a program that monitors and controls those regulations.
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6/15/2012 11:30am Edited Date/Time 6/15/2012 11:35am
The thing that stands out to me more than anything in this thread was Aaron's comment:

'I would rather get dead last or hurt then go and watch.'

Aaron, just because you feel this way and aren't able to go to the races unless you're racing, that's not justification for bending/breaking the rules. You got hurt, and I'm very sorry for that, it sucks. But your situation doesn't give you the right to push some true B/C rider out of a qualifying spot.

To be 100% frank, brutally honest, this is YOUR problem. Period. Everyone else (true B/C riders trying to qualify) shouldn't have to bow to what YOU personally want because YOU can't imagine going to LL's just to watch. It's not their problem. Nobody else owes you anything. This is a very dangerous activity and we all accept the risks when we throw a leg over our bike as I'm sure you'll agree. When something tragic happens like your injury, part of the tragedy is that the person can no longer compete at the same level. It goes with the territory.

I realize this may sound harsh, that's not my intention but there's really no way to get the point across without it sounding that way. It's just that this type of mentality is a MAJOR problem in this country and goes a long way in explaining so many of the other issues we're all dealing with right now.
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I agree, but like I said previously, I don't like to protest and feel that the entity (AMA) that creates rules for regulation should also provide...
I agree, but like I said previously, I don't like to protest and feel that the entity (AMA) that creates rules for regulation should also provide a program that monitors and controls those regulations.
I believe we all feel the same about the protest situation.

But, there is no perfect world and when people try to get around the system they need to be brought to light. If no one feels compelled to protest, the problem isn't really that bad.

The AMA provides a program. It's called the protest. It works well, isn't a comfortable situation so usually doesn't get abused like the rules seem to at times. Nothing will "eliminate" this problem.

I'm not criticizing you at all. You're the norm, and protests shouldn't be taken lightly by anyone. If something isn't right, it either needs to be fixed, or not worried about.

It's disappointing that the AMA allowed this move back down, but they hold the gavel and once it hits the desk discussions are done.
6/15/2012 1:35pm
I agree, but like I said previously, I don't like to protest and feel that the entity (AMA) that creates rules for regulation should also provide...
I agree, but like I said previously, I don't like to protest and feel that the entity (AMA) that creates rules for regulation should also provide a program that monitors and controls those regulations.
sc961 wrote:
I believe we all feel the same about the protest situation. But, there is no perfect world and when people try to get around the system...
I believe we all feel the same about the protest situation.

But, there is no perfect world and when people try to get around the system they need to be brought to light. If no one feels compelled to protest, the problem isn't really that bad.

The AMA provides a program. It's called the protest. It works well, isn't a comfortable situation so usually doesn't get abused like the rules seem to at times. Nothing will "eliminate" this problem.

I'm not criticizing you at all. You're the norm, and protests shouldn't be taken lightly by anyone. If something isn't right, it either needs to be fixed, or not worried about.

It's disappointing that the AMA allowed this move back down, but they hold the gavel and once it hits the desk discussions are done.
I follow and you are right. The protest is in place and for the proper reason. In this scenario I've experienced being on both sides of the fence, caring and then not caring. But, I'm always compelled to think there is a better way no matter what problems I'm faced with. Just the way I'm wired.
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6/15/2012 3:05pm
I still want to point out that Aaron is not the only one in this deal either. Even though he shouldn't be dropping down he has the best case to do it. There are others that have no excuse but trophy hunting and the AMA not MX Sports is letting them do it.
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6/15/2012 6:21pm
30b is my class and it pisses me off every year to read these stories. I would never waste my time and money trying to qualify. I refuse to join the GAY-M-A anymore and they are virtually non-existent here in the northeast. I can only hope that the sandbaggers dnf so a deserving racer can take the title. I am also a firm believer in not having C class championships. You want to be a champion, moving up to the B class should be the only title you're racing for... Blah blah blah, hate wasting the time to type this, same shit different year. MX is a small community, sandbaggers are not easily forgotten.

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