Alessi-factory suzuki help

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cheers_22 6/11/2012 7:09am
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cheers_22 wrote:
reed air-mailed...GTFO SQUID!
Bob454 wrote:
I don't know what air mailed means but I think you should check these results....http://www.supercross.com/race-results?eventId=20 , in case the link does not work check the results...
I don't know what air mailed means but I think you should check these results....http://www.supercross.com/race-results?eventId=20 , in case the link does not work check the results for the Phoenix sx....aka the second round, I think you will see a pumpkin on top Spode (or possibly troll) because no one can actually be that stupid and still be able to make an account here
i was trying to be nice to you..you have amazed me with your biased, ignorant, half-assed attempt to support only god knows what about dungey.

so listen here you incompetent f*cking goon, go roll your doubles and wave for the camera and gtfo of my thread..
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cheers_22 6/11/2012 7:10am
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TDeath21 wrote:
Dungey races for championships, not individual race wins or speed. Did you forget he was 12 points ahead of Villopoto with 4 races to go before...
Dungey races for championships, not individual race wins or speed. Did you forget he was 12 points ahead of Villopoto with 4 races to go before that crash in Saint Louis?
cheers_22 wrote:
you're right. he does..he's a smart rider. but he finished 3rd in 2011 behind rv1 and 22...

i agree with you..you have good opinions.
Park Boys wrote:
Face it the only reason RV2 won it was because of a Derailed Chain in SX and a bike that ran out of gas in MX...
Face it the only reason RV2 won it was because of a Derailed Chain in SX and a bike that ran out of gas in MX, or wouldnt start and didnt make it to the line at southwick take ur pick Smile Smile Smile
touche man..i was going to add that but i think tdeath was speaking of the 2010 season..
BattlezFMX 6/11/2012 7:13am
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Thought I heard someone comment that Mike's bike is/might be up to 5-10 lbs heavier than Metty's or Stews? Could that be true?
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cheers_22 6/11/2012 7:19am
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Thought I heard someone comment that Mike's bike is/might be up to 5-10 lbs heavier than Metty's or Stews? Could that be true?
this is more or less my question..

the titanium nic-nacs and axle bolts..pegs etc.

it could add up at the end of a 30 +2 moto

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Sandberm wrote:
Didnt Reed talk about how sweet it was when Factory Honda let loose with the works transmission for him? Maybe a factory tranny in Mikes RM...
Didnt Reed talk about how sweet it was when Factory Honda let loose with the works transmission for him? Maybe a factory tranny in Mikes RM would benefit him? Mike cant set up suspension so I doubt factory suspenders would help.

Its a moot argument as Genova is going the bittermen route and probably wouldnt accept any help if it was offered.

And for the record, count me as someone who thinks Alessi is capable of beating Dunge
And for the record, count me as someone who thinks Alessi is capable of beating Dunge. -quote Sandberm.


It's Dungey, and NO Alessi isn't capable of beating DungeY.
Crashinskinoff 6/11/2012 7:35am
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Not sure about all this other stuff but Alessi kicked some major butt he should be proud, what a great podium speech!
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Bob454 6/11/2012 7:40am
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i was trying to be nice to you..you have amazed me with your biased, ignorant, half-assed attempt to support only god knows what about dungey. so...
i was trying to be nice to you..you have amazed me with your biased, ignorant, half-assed attempt to support only god knows what about dungey.

so listen here you incompetent f*cking goon, go roll your doubles and wave for the camera and gtfo of my thread..
Trying to be nice by tossing out bullshit info? I am not defending the dunge, just pointing out your bullshit reasoning and disproving it with actual FACTS. Haha roll doubles, I am sure you have ridden with me tons of times, go put on you your monster energy flat brim and slowly dip chad reeds old man balls into your mouth.


The only factory part that would ever help Alessi is maybe a titanium boat anchor, so when he tosses anchor and fades he would at least be dragging less weight
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Whoever is doing them, is doing a fantastic job. There's def. not shortage of power. Got to agree with earlier posts in that his rear shock...
Whoever is doing them, is doing a fantastic job. There's def. not shortage of power. Got to agree with earlier posts in that his rear shock seems to be an issue. Def. bounces around more then Dunge's bike. Mike has the speed but if your fighting the bike, your gonna lose. Hope he gets it figured out soon and has a great season. We need him too!!
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here..... After watching the race this weekend, I'd say mike needs a new riding coach. He's a great rider...
I'm gonna go out on a limb here..... After watching the race this weekend, I'd say mike needs a new riding coach. He's a great rider so don't get me wrong and flame me.... Looking at his riding style he appears to be way too rigid on the bike and its visible that he is fighting the bike due to not being fluid and one with the bike. Imo it doesn't matter if he's in better shape than a navy seal, fighting the bike to go fast will wear anyone out. There is a distinct difference between mike and most other top riders style that appears they are using much less energy. Even if he got a factory Suzuki bike I highly doubt he would do any better. I know my opinion won't fly with 99% of you on here but just watch and study the way he rides the bike its been mentioned before on here that he has a little old school style and watching him ride shows this. I don't think he is doing anything wrong but he isn't going as fast as he probably could go IF he worked with a former champ like a lot of younger riders are doing these days...... Just a shot in the dark bec I know the alessi program works well but he doesn't move around on the bike very much he fights it back into wherever he wants it to go. I think if he opened up to someone like DV and worked on fluidity he would be much more successful. Can't say that will ever happen but it might be the factor he could use to get that edge to win....... Just a theory but just watch him ride next weekend and its been like that his entire career so its nothing new with the MCR bike, even when he was factory Suzuki he looked the same. Maybe he should give it a shot for a year and see what happens
I agree with you on Alessi's riding style. After watching him this weekend it seemed more evident of his rigid riding style. Not sure why it more apparent at High Point though. Maybe the off cambers and rough track make it more apparent. Allesi is still riding great though. Not sure he is capable of beating Dungey at the moment though. When Dungey and Stewart were going at the first two rounds, Alessi was further back I believe.
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SLO1962 6/11/2012 10:44am
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cheers_22 wrote:
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of...
Alessi had a solid season indoors in his own right. He comes outdorrs, continues his momentum for the time being, and is consistently finishing ahead of Metcalfe. Alessi could be the only title contender for Suzuki now. Why not give him factory support and let the dude ride the wheels off it?

He obviously is determined to do well this year and his finishes are great. Why doesn't Suzuki support him and give him the parts he needs to stay and finish ahead of the Dunge? It's not like they don't have the parts, c'mon. It would be nice if they could understand Alessi needs his program but they could still support him. Either way, he's riding really well and I enjoy him up front and staying off the ground.
Suzuki should be ashamed of themselves! They could have a factory team, as well as support a "non-factory" and have the best of both worlds. I know money is tight, but helping with parts, and engineering support would be well worth the cost!!! Why not push for having the top 3, or at least 3 out of the 4 spots on any given moto. MCR 450s Rule!
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dcg141 6/11/2012 1:52pm
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You know with Alessi you always have to wonder..where is that rider that holeshot the 2nd moto at Hangtown and ran away from everyone..on the 350. I mean stuff like that just does not happen. I talked to him once at a KTM dealer meeting and he is a nice, polite kid. But he has the body language of someone that is carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders.
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He's running a motor built by Ron Hamp (RHC). Ron did all the head, cam, piston, transmission work etc... FMF is building the pipes. Ron did a ton to this thing. Varner sometimes puts parts together.

That trans is modified as well. Shifts very smooth. A factory trans wouldn't work any better.

You can reach him at www.ronhamp.com
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cheers_22 6/11/2012 4:01pm
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He's running a motor built by Ron Hamp (RHC). Ron did all the head, cam, piston, transmission work etc... FMF is building the pipes. Ron did...
He's running a motor built by Ron Hamp (RHC). Ron did all the head, cam, piston, transmission work etc... FMF is building the pipes. Ron did a ton to this thing. Varner sometimes puts parts together.

That trans is modified as well. Shifts very smooth. A factory trans wouldn't work any better.

You can reach him at www.ronhamp.com
interesting info..Thanks for sharing!
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wawazat 6/11/2012 4:29pm
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If people only knew the full story of how all that went down..
B DUB 333 wrote:
OK I'll bite.... How bout you tell us, we can only go by what the press tells us. You sound like you have some info, I...
OK I'll bite.... How bout you tell us, we can only go by what the press tells us. You sound like you have some info, I would LOVE to hear it. I dig the Allessi's and think that if you can clear it up ya should.
I hate it when people come out with the old elementary school " I have a secret, but I can't tell it... "
reagan wrote:
The shock story goes like this..... 3 months after breaking his leg at the Suzuki SX track during pre-season testing, Mike went to Waldo mx in...
The shock story goes like this.....


3 months after breaking his leg at the Suzuki SX track during pre-season testing, Mike went to Waldo mx in North Fla for his first ride to get back into riding slowly. About the time he was just about warmed up, Mike pulled in and said something wasn't right and oil was gushing from the shock. The shock clevis had become disconnected from the shock body, which could have caused a deadly crash.



Tony and the practice mechanic tried to reach the team, but it was a weekend and no one would respond.


They decided to take the shock to a certified suzuki dealer (north Jax moto sports) on the advise of the Alessi's agent. The Suzuki dealer repaired the shock so Mike could continue training, and got a letter from the service manager explaining the reason for the failure (in properly torked loose locking nut and zero lock tite) and the repairs they made to fix the problem. The Alessi's thought they did the right thing, never at any time thinking anything more then repair the shock and return to riding.


end of story!
So there is the story. Not near as good as Tony taking a factory part to a shop to see whats in it. So yes they took it to local shop, just not for the reasons most speculated about.
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BattlezFMX wrote:
Thought I heard someone comment that Mike's bike is/might be up to 5-10 lbs heavier than Metty's or Stews? Could that be true?
I believe it 100%.

Mike does not get the full Ti bolt kits, Magnesium or Aluminum brakes, Ti engine internal parts, Ti sub frame, etc that a full works bike has.

I'd say it might be more like 8-10 pounds if I was betting my money.

Obviously his Varner built engine is plenty fast and reliable, but I'd bet works suspension, pull rods, linkage options, etc would be a huge help to his bike. That being said his MB1 suspension is no joke.
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cheers_22 6/11/2012 4:38pm
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BattlezFMX wrote:
Thought I heard someone comment that Mike's bike is/might be up to 5-10 lbs heavier than Metty's or Stews? Could that be true?
Paul333 wrote:
I believe it 100%. Mike does not get the full Ti bolt kits, Magnesium or Aluminum brakes, Ti engine internal parts, Ti sub frame, etc that...
I believe it 100%.

Mike does not get the full Ti bolt kits, Magnesium or Aluminum brakes, Ti engine internal parts, Ti sub frame, etc that a full works bike has.

I'd say it might be more like 8-10 pounds if I was betting my money.

Obviously his Varner built engine is plenty fast and reliable, but I'd bet works suspension, pull rods, linkage options, etc would be a huge help to his bike. That being said his MB1 suspension is no joke.
someone else gets the mechanical aspect of it atleast.

props to all who are helping him so far and building him a competitive bike
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Indy mxer 6/11/2012 5:35pm
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You'd think since MA is pretty much smoking Suzuki's factory rider and bike each week, they'd at least want to have the bike identified as a Zook.
Even if James comes back, wouldn't be nice for Suzuki to have 2 bikes on the box?
C'mon Suzuki help the guy out with some trick shit!!
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bg22 6/13/2012 11:44am
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cheers_22 wrote:
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable...
I agree the bikes looks pretty darn good, varner's doin the motor so you know it flat rips. but i also disagree, dunge is very beatable. rv2, reed, stew, have all proved this. dunge is #4 out of those guys.. Alessi can win and he has proven it before.

this isn't any hate to rd5..speculation and conversation
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How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of...
How is Dungey 4th to those guys...... Since 2010 the year he switched to the big bikes he has 27 wins!!!!! Which is the most of any of them..................
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injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority...
injuries man..he's fast, super-consistent and smart. but i think if you have ryan villopoto, chad reed, and james stewart out there they would split the majority of the wins.


Dungey didn't miss a race and really didn't have many "bad" crashes.
As far as consistency he's always going to be there so that's why he's a champ
So we should put an asterisk next to RV2's 2012 SX championship because Reed, Stewart, Dungey all got hurt? Injuries are part of the sport unfortunately and it can make or break a season as well know. Dungey is clearly fast and consistent. That's what will win you championships.
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wawazat wrote:
If people only knew the full story of how all that went down..
B DUB 333 wrote:
OK I'll bite.... How bout you tell us, we can only go by what the press tells us. You sound like you have some info, I...
OK I'll bite.... How bout you tell us, we can only go by what the press tells us. You sound like you have some info, I would LOVE to hear it. I dig the Allessi's and think that if you can clear it up ya should.
I hate it when people come out with the old elementary school " I have a secret, but I can't tell it... "
wawazat wrote:
I do know the story, but I've been here long enough to know, no matter how much knowledge one has on a subject, people won't believe...
I do know the story, but I've been here long enough to know, no matter how much knowledge one has on a subject, people won't believe it. Not my story to tell, just don't believe everything you hear about the Alessis.

People on here ran Michael Sleeter off cause they said he didn't know what he was talking about. Go figure..

This place got the jump on the GP coming to Glen Helen, still people here didn't believe it cause it wasn't posted on RacerX yet.

This isn't the board to let shit fly, it will bite you in ass everytime.
tell me about it...

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"Give Mikey Parts" posts are as productive as bring back 2-smoke posts.
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PTshox wrote:
He's running a motor built by Ron Hamp (RHC). Ron did all the head, cam, piston, transmission work etc... FMF is building the pipes. Ron did...
He's running a motor built by Ron Hamp (RHC). Ron did all the head, cam, piston, transmission work etc... FMF is building the pipes. Ron did a ton to this thing. Varner sometimes puts parts together.

That trans is modified as well. Shifts very smooth. A factory trans wouldn't work any better.

You can reach him at www.ronhamp.com
thanks for the plug i have been asked to continue development in direct conversations with toni i have one of the bikes here now and am supose to be getting a 2013 in july we will see i have got a look @ the factory transmision there was a little inside help from past suzuki employes .As i have said before the only thing from suzuki that would be helpfull is a ecu that would alow us to adjust the rev limit .Ron Hamp RHC.
MeyerLarry 6/13/2012 8:23pm
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PTshox wrote:
He's running a motor built by Ron Hamp (RHC). Ron did all the head, cam, piston, transmission work etc... FMF is building the pipes. Ron did...
He's running a motor built by Ron Hamp (RHC). Ron did all the head, cam, piston, transmission work etc... FMF is building the pipes. Ron did a ton to this thing. Varner sometimes puts parts together.

That trans is modified as well. Shifts very smooth. A factory trans wouldn't work any better.

You can reach him at www.ronhamp.com
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thanks for the plug i have been asked to continue development in direct conversations with toni i have one of the bikes here now and am...
thanks for the plug i have been asked to continue development in direct conversations with toni i have one of the bikes here now and am supose to be getting a 2013 in july we will see i have got a look @ the factory transmision there was a little inside help from past suzuki employes .As i have said before the only thing from suzuki that would be helpfull is a ecu that would alow us to adjust the rev limit .Ron Hamp RHC.
Awesome post!

What are your thoughts on what they could do to help lighten the bike a bit?
Crashinskinoff 6/14/2012 5:19am
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PTshox wrote:
He's running a motor built by Ron Hamp (RHC). Ron did all the head, cam, piston, transmission work etc... FMF is building the pipes. Ron did...
He's running a motor built by Ron Hamp (RHC). Ron did all the head, cam, piston, transmission work etc... FMF is building the pipes. Ron did a ton to this thing. Varner sometimes puts parts together.

That trans is modified as well. Shifts very smooth. A factory trans wouldn't work any better.

You can reach him at www.ronhamp.com
flomiester wrote:
thanks for the plug i have been asked to continue development in direct conversations with toni i have one of the bikes here now and am...
thanks for the plug i have been asked to continue development in direct conversations with toni i have one of the bikes here now and am supose to be getting a 2013 in july we will see i have got a look @ the factory transmision there was a little inside help from past suzuki employes .As i have said before the only thing from suzuki that would be helpfull is a ecu that would alow us to adjust the rev limit .Ron Hamp RHC.
This is the kind of stuff i like to read about, thanks for posting!

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