Time for an attitude adjustment

GuyB
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Edited Date/Time 6/6/2012 5:23am
I got this from a friend of mine whose opinion I respect. Most of you are familiar with his work in the industry (and no, I'm not going to name him).

I assume some of today's posts are the reason for it, but you can read for yourself.



I think Vital MX has completely gotten out of control. (And this is NO reflection on you AT ALL).

I just can’t believe motocross fans – a sport we all share a common love for – talk/type the way they do to each other on the Vital site.

(My #1 chat site).

It’s just so sad.

It just keeps getting worse and worse and worse.

One post will start out reasonably well (or very well intended) and then, duly, person gets attacked with this crazy mob mentality.

I guess it’s easy to brave (or a TOTAL asshole) on Vital when one is sitting behind a keyboard of a PC/Mac, but come on… Be a man and try, at least to the best of your ability, to ask or answer a question without being a damn cyber punk.

I’m sure it’s all VERY trying, but keep up the good work, Steve.

Feel free to post this.
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bullpen58
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6/2/2012 7:02pm
So, what you're saying is that you are glad Stewart got hurt? Whistling
Wolfman
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6/2/2012 7:04pm
I agree Gibster. I think it started getting worse when some mag's started posting internet quotes. Now assholes are just trying to make a name for themselves.
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6/2/2012 7:06pm
bullpen58 wrote:
So, what you're saying is that you are glad Stewart got hurt? Whistling
There is a time and a place for your stupidly ..i mean humor Justin, but this is neither.
6/2/2012 7:07pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2012 7:16pm
GuyB, I fully agree. Most of the stuff that happens on here is due to a certain age demographic and that group's lack of maturity. Sometimes it is funny but most times people just go too far.

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6/2/2012 7:08pm
bullpen58 wrote:
So, what you're saying is that you are glad Stewart got hurt? Whistling
ocscottie wrote:
There is a time and a place for your stupidly ..i mean humor Justin, but this is neither.
Ouch, that kinda hurt buddy. Sad
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6/2/2012 7:10pm
It runs so deep, and has been going on for so long around here that it will most likely never change.
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6/2/2012 7:13pm
GIwasB4
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He doesn't visit this site any longer.
Too fat
DownSouth
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6/2/2012 7:20pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2012 7:21pm
My local newspapers website has become worse than Vital. They have to lock out the comment section on the majority of the news articles because they usually devolve into posts much more hate filled than what goes on here.

The anonymous nature of online posting tends to bring out the worst in people if they have a different viewpoint than someone else.
GuyB
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6/2/2012 7:30pm
bullpen58 wrote:
So, what you're saying is that you are glad Stewart got hurt? Whistling
ocscottie wrote:
There is a time and a place for your stupidly ..i mean humor Justin, but this is neither.
bullpen58 wrote:
Ouch, that kinda hurt buddy. Sad
It should.
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Industry insiders may not realize how excited moto fans were to see Stewart out there - without him, it's Dungey by 30 seconds every moto (I don't have anything against Dungey, but that's kind of boring). And insiders may not be aware how pissed off moto fans are that, out of 5 absolute top-level guys, only two of them survived that damned Supercross season - both of them banged up, at that. And I doubt that industry insiders know how much some moto fans resent the fact that this happens almost every year. So if people get pissed off when Stewart crashes out of the series because someone runs across the track in front of him, cut us some slack. It's just the latest in a long line of injuries that are robbing the Nationals of any reason to watch, and the Nationals are the races moto fans care about.

So I guess we can have some fun watching the 250 class until next May, and then we can do another emergency room roll-call and see if anyone made it through Supercross; again.
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6/2/2012 7:35pm
DownSouth wrote:
My local newspapers website has become worse than Vital. They have to lock out the comment section on the majority of the news articles because they...
My local newspapers website has become worse than Vital. They have to lock out the comment section on the majority of the news articles because they usually devolve into posts much more hate filled than what goes on here.

The anonymous nature of online posting tends to bring out the worst in people if they have a different viewpoint than someone else.
Right. I expect our posters to be intelligent enough to not have to do that.

Time to cull the herd.

Who wants to talk motocross with more intelligence and less snark?
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6/2/2012 7:37pm
WhKnuckle wrote:
Industry insiders may not realize how excited moto fans were to see Stewart out there - without him, it's Dungey by 30 seconds every moto (I...
Industry insiders may not realize how excited moto fans were to see Stewart out there - without him, it's Dungey by 30 seconds every moto (I don't have anything against Dungey, but that's kind of boring). And insiders may not be aware how pissed off moto fans are that, out of 5 absolute top-level guys, only two of them survived that damned Supercross season - both of them banged up, at that. And I doubt that industry insiders know how much some moto fans resent the fact that this happens almost every year. So if people get pissed off when Stewart crashes out of the series because someone runs across the track in front of him, cut us some slack. It's just the latest in a long line of injuries that are robbing the Nationals of any reason to watch, and the Nationals are the races moto fans care about.

So I guess we can have some fun watching the 250 class until next May, and then we can do another emergency room roll-call and see if anyone made it through Supercross; again.
Huh? Industry insiders are just as excited about watching good racing as anyone else. Moto fans don't have some kind of exclusive on that.
6/2/2012 7:40pm
DownSouth wrote:
My local newspapers website has become worse than Vital. They have to lock out the comment section on the majority of the news articles because they...
My local newspapers website has become worse than Vital. They have to lock out the comment section on the majority of the news articles because they usually devolve into posts much more hate filled than what goes on here.

The anonymous nature of online posting tends to bring out the worst in people if they have a different viewpoint than someone else.
GuyB wrote:
Right. I expect our posters to be intelligent enough to not have to do that. Time to cull the herd. Who wants to talk motocross with...
Right. I expect our posters to be intelligent enough to not have to do that.

Time to cull the herd.

Who wants to talk motocross with more intelligence and less snark?
I do.
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DownSouth wrote:
My local newspapers website has become worse than Vital. They have to lock out the comment section on the majority of the news articles because they...
My local newspapers website has become worse than Vital. They have to lock out the comment section on the majority of the news articles because they usually devolve into posts much more hate filled than what goes on here.

The anonymous nature of online posting tends to bring out the worst in people if they have a different viewpoint than someone else.
Check out the comment section on Racer-X. It's probably worse than here

http://www.racerxonline.com/2012/06/02/thunder-valley-450-moto-1-report
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6/2/2012 7:51pm
Derpin' DJ wrote:
Check out the comment section on Racer-X. It's probably worse than here

http://www.racerxonline.com/2012/06/02/thunder-valley-450-moto-1-report
I actually enjoy reading that. Honest, valid, opinions. No unnecessary censorship. If people are being racist or something truly bad, then ban them. Otherwise, let em argue. It's the interweb. NOT REAL LIFE! Cracks me up how people get all pissy about how people on the lame interweb do not treat people like they would in real life. That's because it's NOT real life. Toughin up people.
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6/2/2012 7:52pm
Easy to fix.

Put on board, 2-3 more members on this forum that are mature, and relatively unbiased, and allow them to moderate some threads. Putting the burden of modding this site on only Guyb and Scottie is tough. Have a few more helping hands to help clean the mess up of people mouthing off?

I'm always in threads that resemble this, because I come to vital because i love reading about other people's opinions of racers/races, and to get news, but at the same time have to sift through threads full of bs and rants/disrespect towards racers.

Put these fellas on a temporary (or perm if needed) ban long enough, and people will get the hint to where there'd be little need for moderation to clean useless banter up.
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6/2/2012 7:53pm
GuyB wrote:
Right. I expect our posters to be intelligent enough to not have to do that. Time to cull the herd. Who wants to talk motocross with...
Right. I expect our posters to be intelligent enough to not have to do that.

Time to cull the herd.

Who wants to talk motocross with more intelligence and less snark?
I'm with you on that!

I don't mind jokes and sarcastic remarks, but the insults and outright hate towards each other and the riders is too much.
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6/2/2012 8:02pm
GuyB wrote:
I got this from a friend of mine whose opinion I respect. Most of you are familiar with his work in the industry (and no, I'm...
I got this from a friend of mine whose opinion I respect. Most of you are familiar with his work in the industry (and no, I'm not going to name him).

I assume some of today's posts are the reason for it, but you can read for yourself.



I think Vital MX has completely gotten out of control. (And this is NO reflection on you AT ALL).

I just can’t believe motocross fans – a sport we all share a common love for – talk/type the way they do to each other on the Vital site.

(My #1 chat site).

It’s just so sad.

It just keeps getting worse and worse and worse.

One post will start out reasonably well (or very well intended) and then, duly, person gets attacked with this crazy mob mentality.

I guess it’s easy to brave (or a TOTAL asshole) on Vital when one is sitting behind a keyboard of a PC/Mac, but come on… Be a man and try, at least to the best of your ability, to ask or answer a question without being a damn cyber punk.

I’m sure it’s all VERY trying, but keep up the good work, Steve.

Feel free to post this.
"Feel free to post this", just keep me anonymous.

Just kidding Guy B, but....
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6/2/2012 8:03pm
DownSouth wrote:
My local newspapers website has become worse than Vital. They have to lock out the comment section on the majority of the news articles because they...
My local newspapers website has become worse than Vital. They have to lock out the comment section on the majority of the news articles because they usually devolve into posts much more hate filled than what goes on here.

The anonymous nature of online posting tends to bring out the worst in people if they have a different viewpoint than someone else.
GuyB wrote:
Right. I expect our posters to be intelligent enough to not have to do that. Time to cull the herd. Who wants to talk motocross with...
Right. I expect our posters to be intelligent enough to not have to do that.

Time to cull the herd.

Who wants to talk motocross with more intelligence and less snark?
I do.
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6/2/2012 8:06pm
GuyB wrote:
It's not a contest to see who can be worse.

Coming from a guy with derpin' in his name...
Now now, no need for that attitude
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6/2/2012 8:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2012 8:13pm
DownSouth wrote:
My local newspapers website has become worse than Vital. They have to lock out the comment section on the majority of the news articles because they...
My local newspapers website has become worse than Vital. They have to lock out the comment section on the majority of the news articles because they usually devolve into posts much more hate filled than what goes on here.

The anonymous nature of online posting tends to bring out the worst in people if they have a different viewpoint than someone else.
Derpin' DJ wrote:
Check out the comment section on Racer-X. It's probably worse than here

http://www.racerxonline.com/2012/06/02/thunder-valley-450-moto-1-report
It shouldn't matter who is worse, Vital, Racer X or your local news website.
I think people forget this place does reflect our sport.
Kids do come here and do post here and its not doing them any favors with the language on here and also how people talk about riders. I actually have a friend whose son isn't aloud to click on the Vital forum tab for those reasons, which is a shame there are some great people here hidden under the filth.

When I first joined Motodrive back in 06'? I though this place was awesome.
It made me love the sport even more and I felt apart of a community, riders and insiders were posting, it was for the most part friendly and just a great place to talk moto. Now we have riders who don't even want to visit the site let alone post on it.
I have seen riders on here bashed for voicing their opinions on themselves. Even privateers even asking for help to help keep our gates full and our sport alive were bashed for asking for help.

I feel saddened to see a place that use to be so welcoming turn into a bashing pit for riders, for new members, riders and people who work within the actual industry. I feel sad for some of the people who use to post on Vital/MD don't even bother anymore and for the people who still post here but gave into childish behavior.

There is no bigger community for MX online than Vital.
GuyB and Scottie can only do so much to contain what happens around here, just because you can get away with it doesn't mean you should do it. Most of you before you hit submit should ask themselves, "Is that how I would want my son or daughter to act?" Or, "Would I want my son or daughter to see me acting like this?"
This place does need some clean up but it should be done by GuyB or Scottie clicking people.
It should be done by it's members.

I think everyone one of us should take a chill pill out on the whole smart ass remarks on this forum too.
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6/2/2012 8:27pm
bullpen58 wrote:
So, what you're saying is that you are glad Stewart got hurt? Whistling
This guy is one of the biggest offenders here. You can't please this guy at all.
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6/2/2012 8:29pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2012 8:32pm
I fully agree with your friend Steve and I for the most part don't post here too much anymore because it always turns into a pissing match. Take my helmet thread for eg. This place is outta control and I agree with norcal3737. You need more mod's layin some law. If this was my forum... I would have made it a real name forum with no exceptions. It's not too late to make everyone use their real names btw.

I would absolutely help and I'm sure you have a few buddies on here that would help clean it up a bit for free in their spare time.
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6/2/2012 8:40pm
I say ban away. And like someone else said, maybe selecting a few extra helping hands to do the cleaning up would make life a bit easier. We all say some stupid things sometimes, but too many live for it.
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6/2/2012 8:45pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2012 8:48pm
crewshin wrote:
I fully agree with your friend Steve and I for the most part don't post here too much anymore because it always turns into a pissing...
I fully agree with your friend Steve and I for the most part don't post here too much anymore because it always turns into a pissing match. Take my helmet thread for eg. This place is outta control and I agree with norcal3737. You need more mod's layin some law. If this was my forum... I would have made it a real name forum with no exceptions. It's not too late to make everyone use their real names btw.

I would absolutely help and I'm sure you have a few buddies on here that would help clean it up a bit for free in their spare time.
IMO with theses boards under Modding isn't the problem....at all.
Banning/clicking someone isn't always a deterrent either and they just sign right back up more angry ready to cause more problems & talk more junk.New email addy's,using proxies,VPN's,cousin Vinny's network,wife margrets Qwest phone ect..
You could have 100 Mods banning people and clipping posts,but people are still going sign back up and post the same stuff til they get clipped again.It goes on & on...and keeps reoccurring.

And as for verifying real names,would be hard to do even with scanned ID's or even using a credit card processor and using a 1 time life time fee during the sign up process,due to pre paids & what not (plus you have fraud to deal with).Even verifying by phone ,people could use trak phones ect...just like they do to make fake CL accounts.
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