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BUTCH!!! WTF are you doing posting here?!?! Get your fat fucking Hardley riding ass over here and put your money where your mouth is on the...
BUTCH!!! WTF are you doing posting here?!?! Get your fat fucking Hardley riding ass over here and put your money where your mouth is on the track! Wink
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What up fuck stick! Hey fat ass. I'm not a fat ass anymore. Been train'n like a mofo and I've lost 21 pounds! Glad you came...
What up fuck stick! Hey fat ass. I'm not a fat ass anymore. Been train'n like a mofo and I've lost 21 pounds! Glad you came back jack!Wink
I'm down 30 myself. Still have about 30 more to go though! :( I get 1HP on the track back for every 7 pounds I lose...
I'm down 30 myself. Still have about 30 more to go though! Sad I get 1HP on the track back for every 7 pounds I lose. Smile My boy is on the verge of kicking my ass on the track and I have to do everything possible to stretch that out as long as I can. Smile Keep it up!
Get a room...... Wink

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When I win the lotto (or when Specialized realizes my talent and sponsors me), I'm gonna get a bike like that. I have an FSR Stumpjumper and love it but the thing I hate is being passed by some fat ass (fatter than me) on a road bike who looks to be putting out 1/10th the energy to go twice as fast.

I used to ride my MTB a lot and even when I'd push it, I could only average about 12-14mph (almost pure street riding). One day, I wanted to see how far I could ride and I went 30 miles. Felt like I went to the east coast and back again. Took me like 4 hours. I used to fantasize about completing a "century ride" until that day.

However, I have always wondered how much faster and how much further I could ride on a road bike (if at all). I'm not even sure the bike would be THAT big of an advantage but I like to think it would be.

Do any of you have any input as to the difference in efficiency of a road bike vs. a MTB?

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Depends on the weight of the bikes, tire width, tire pressures, and maybe a little bit in the gearing.

Put some street oriented "slicks" on your MTB, pump them up to about 80 psi, and go ride. That bike will be about 20% less efficient than a roadie, but 20% more efficient than your MTB with off-road tires pumped up to 45 psi.

You actually get a benefit of riding a MTB on the road, as the bigger tires at a lesser PSI does not feel every bump in the road like a road bike will. I have ridding my MTB, set up as an "Urban Assault" vehicle (slicks with high PSI) over 90 miles, and it was not all that difficult. If I would have known I was so close to a Century, I would have kept riding!
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bullpen58 wrote:
When I win the lotto (or when Specialized realizes my talent and sponsors me), I'm gonna get a bike like that. I have an FSR Stumpjumper...
When I win the lotto (or when Specialized realizes my talent and sponsors me), I'm gonna get a bike like that. I have an FSR Stumpjumper and love it but the thing I hate is being passed by some fat ass (fatter than me) on a road bike who looks to be putting out 1/10th the energy to go twice as fast.

I used to ride my MTB a lot and even when I'd push it, I could only average about 12-14mph (almost pure street riding). One day, I wanted to see how far I could ride and I went 30 miles. Felt like I went to the east coast and back again. Took me like 4 hours. I used to fantasize about completing a "century ride" until that day.

However, I have always wondered how much faster and how much further I could ride on a road bike (if at all). I'm not even sure the bike would be THAT big of an advantage but I like to think it would be.

Do any of you have any input as to the difference in efficiency of a road bike vs. a MTB?
put slicks on the mtb use max allowable air pressure in them also lock out the suspension and when you ride with roadies, draft behind . when its time to pull, as well as pulling off to go to the back because its some one else' turn to pull.... you will realize the difference between an areo dynamic road bike and a mtb on the road.
still good training though.
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bullpen58 wrote:
When I win the lotto (or when Specialized realizes my talent and sponsors me), I'm gonna get a bike like that. I have an FSR Stumpjumper...
When I win the lotto (or when Specialized realizes my talent and sponsors me), I'm gonna get a bike like that. I have an FSR Stumpjumper and love it but the thing I hate is being passed by some fat ass (fatter than me) on a road bike who looks to be putting out 1/10th the energy to go twice as fast.

I used to ride my MTB a lot and even when I'd push it, I could only average about 12-14mph (almost pure street riding). One day, I wanted to see how far I could ride and I went 30 miles. Felt like I went to the east coast and back again. Took me like 4 hours. I used to fantasize about completing a "century ride" until that day.

However, I have always wondered how much faster and how much further I could ride on a road bike (if at all). I'm not even sure the bike would be THAT big of an advantage but I like to think it would be.

Do any of you have any input as to the difference in efficiency of a road bike vs. a MTB?
Not even in the same universe.

I ride both, and I couldn't fathom riding my mountain bike on the road. When I first started out doing the roadie thing, I put slick tires on one of my old hardtail Stumpjumpers. Great to ride around the neighborhood, but pointless on the open highway. A good friend of mine just rode a 50K charity ride on his Giant Reign downhill bike with big whitewall tires on it. Did great on the climbs, but sucked on the flats. And forget about riding in a group.

There's nothing quite like riding in a paceline in the big-ring doing 25-30mph and still having plenty resistance on the pedals. You can go scary-fast on a road bike. If you've got the "engine", you can go about as fast as you want. In the club I ride with, the "A" guys are averaging over 20mph, my group is doing about 18mph. As you've already found out, you have to hustle to average 12-14 on your mountain bike. Not to mention that a lot of the road riding on your mtb is coasting.

Bottom line: Mountain bike vs. road bike on the road? Not a fair fight.
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the more riding the easier it is.
best i have done on a heavy hardtail i bought for bridge repeats and beach rides was 30mph max in a fast road group ride.no way was i in any condition to do a pull though.lol
i use this bike for the slower roadie rides and my road bike for the hammerfest rides.
im a mtb rider 1st,roadie 2nd.Cool
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bullpen58 wrote:
When I win the lotto (or when Specialized realizes my talent and sponsors me), I'm gonna get a bike like that. I have an FSR Stumpjumper...
When I win the lotto (or when Specialized realizes my talent and sponsors me), I'm gonna get a bike like that. I have an FSR Stumpjumper and love it but the thing I hate is being passed by some fat ass (fatter than me) on a road bike who looks to be putting out 1/10th the energy to go twice as fast.

I used to ride my MTB a lot and even when I'd push it, I could only average about 12-14mph (almost pure street riding). One day, I wanted to see how far I could ride and I went 30 miles. Felt like I went to the east coast and back again. Took me like 4 hours. I used to fantasize about completing a "century ride" until that day.

However, I have always wondered how much faster and how much further I could ride on a road bike (if at all). I'm not even sure the bike would be THAT big of an advantage but I like to think it would be.

Do any of you have any input as to the difference in efficiency of a road bike vs. a MTB?
DoctorJD wrote:
Not even in the same universe. I ride both, and I couldn't fathom riding my mountain bike on the road. When I first started out doing...
Not even in the same universe.

I ride both, and I couldn't fathom riding my mountain bike on the road. When I first started out doing the roadie thing, I put slick tires on one of my old hardtail Stumpjumpers. Great to ride around the neighborhood, but pointless on the open highway. A good friend of mine just rode a 50K charity ride on his Giant Reign downhill bike with big whitewall tires on it. Did great on the climbs, but sucked on the flats. And forget about riding in a group.

There's nothing quite like riding in a paceline in the big-ring doing 25-30mph and still having plenty resistance on the pedals. You can go scary-fast on a road bike. If you've got the "engine", you can go about as fast as you want. In the club I ride with, the "A" guys are averaging over 20mph, my group is doing about 18mph. As you've already found out, you have to hustle to average 12-14 on your mountain bike. Not to mention that a lot of the road riding on your mtb is coasting.

Bottom line: Mountain bike vs. road bike on the road? Not a fair fight.
Thanks for all the replies. I kinda thought it was something like what you're saying though. I am fat and not very fit but I know a bit about cycling and am not terrible at it. That being said, it sometimes bugs me when some fatter dude (or woman! Lol) goes FLYING by me on a road bike when I am going at what I consider a good pace. They always look like they are just cruising too.
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6/2/2012 1:15pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2012 1:27pm
Before I ever got a road bike I used to ride my MTB on the road, then I got slick tires for it and it did help. No match for a road bike though. The road bike is way faster and comfortable! MTB isn't comfortable at all to ride sitting down for more than about 15 miles imo. My first ride on my new bike, I did 111 miles with ease.
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BUTCH!!! WTF are you doing posting here?!?! Get your fat fucking Hardley riding ass over here and put your money where your mouth is on the...
BUTCH!!! WTF are you doing posting here?!?! Get your fat fucking Hardley riding ass over here and put your money where your mouth is on the track! Wink
BUTCH wrote:
What up fuck stick! Hey fat ass. I'm not a fat ass anymore. Been train'n like a mofo and I've lost 21 pounds! Glad you came...
What up fuck stick! Hey fat ass. I'm not a fat ass anymore. Been train'n like a mofo and I've lost 21 pounds! Glad you came back jack!Wink
I'm down 30 myself. Still have about 30 more to go though! :( I get 1HP on the track back for every 7 pounds I lose...
I'm down 30 myself. Still have about 30 more to go though! Sad I get 1HP on the track back for every 7 pounds I lose. Smile My boy is on the verge of kicking my ass on the track and I have to do everything possible to stretch that out as long as I can. Smile Keep it up!
Good job old timmer!Cool Wink
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Very cool Butch.
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Very cool Butch.
Hey John, how you been brother?!!!!!!Cool
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BUTCH wrote:
Before I ever got a road bike I used to ride my MTB on the road, then I got slick tires for it and it did...
Before I ever got a road bike I used to ride my MTB on the road, then I got slick tires for it and it did help. No match for a road bike though. The road bike is way faster and comfortable! MTB isn't comfortable at all to ride sitting down for more than about 15 miles imo. My first ride on my new bike, I did 111 miles with ease.
WOW!!!! hahaha. That makes me want to get a road bike REALLY bad.

I will resist the urge (kinda easy when you have no money) and tell myself I don't need to go 100 miles and that riding the MTB is still very good training (which, it is).
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Riding anything is great training BP. I'm in my 50's and riding ,I've found is a great way to get and stay in shape without killing your knees and back! For me ...it's not boring either. I'm inspired alot, seeing many older than myself dudes, in there 60's crank'n away running good pace and not one ounce of fat on them! I wanna be one of those guys when I'm that age!Cool
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My new to me ride..........
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WOW! That's wild looking!Cool What make? I can't make out what it says on the frame.
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I've done about 35 miles on my mb several times on the road. I do need to put street tires on it to increase the fun factor.
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I've done about 35 miles on my mb several times on the road. I do need to put street tires on it to increase the fun...
I've done about 35 miles on my mb several times on the road. I do need to put street tires on it to increase the fun factor.
Once you do that you'll wish you had taller gears. It does help though.
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BUTCH wrote:
WOW! That's wild looking!Cool What make? I can't make out what it says on the frame.
Gary Fisher
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Damn Butch....you have really gotten serious about this onroad stuff! Good for you man! Still plan on doing the Seattle to Portland run?

BTW.....hope you're doing well buddy! I am healing up from some tweaked ribs and some internal bruising right now. Hope to be back on the 450 within a few weeks if these bones aren't broke.....but to soon to tell right now.

Take care man , and please stay in touch!
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FUR92!! Wink
Well.....I'll be damned! Good to see you to Voidski!! Woohoo Woohoo
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jeffro503 wrote:
Damn Butch....you have really gotten serious about this onroad stuff! Good for you man! Still plan on doing the Seattle to Portland run? BTW.....hope you're doing...
Damn Butch....you have really gotten serious about this onroad stuff! Good for you man! Still plan on doing the Seattle to Portland run?

BTW.....hope you're doing well buddy! I am healing up from some tweaked ribs and some internal bruising right now. Hope to be back on the 450 within a few weeks if these bones aren't broke.....but to soon to tell right now.

Take care man , and please stay in touch!
Hey, Jeff, good to hear from ya brother. Sorry your banged up, sounds like you took a spill! What happened? Yeah, I'm training my ass off, getting ready for the STP. It's the 14th and 15th of July, and I'm doing the one day deal......205 miles! I have 6 pounds to lose to meet my goal I set for myself. Once the STP is over we need to get some of the old crew together and do some riding! Take care.Cool
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jeffro503 wrote:
Damn Butch....you have really gotten serious about this onroad stuff! Good for you man! Still plan on doing the Seattle to Portland run? BTW.....hope you're doing...
Damn Butch....you have really gotten serious about this onroad stuff! Good for you man! Still plan on doing the Seattle to Portland run?

BTW.....hope you're doing well buddy! I am healing up from some tweaked ribs and some internal bruising right now. Hope to be back on the 450 within a few weeks if these bones aren't broke.....but to soon to tell right now.

Take care man , and please stay in touch!
BUTCH wrote:
Hey, Jeff, good to hear from ya brother. Sorry your banged up, sounds like you took a spill! What happened? Yeah, I'm training my ass off...
Hey, Jeff, good to hear from ya brother. Sorry your banged up, sounds like you took a spill! What happened? Yeah, I'm training my ass off, getting ready for the STP. It's the 14th and 15th of July, and I'm doing the one day deal......205 miles! I have 6 pounds to lose to meet my goal I set for myself. Once the STP is over we need to get some of the old crew together and do some riding! Take care.Cool
Brother Butch....you are kickin' some major ass on that bike!! 205 friggin' miles in one day? I'd die if I tried to do that! Great job buddy....and keep it going!

As far as my wreck goes......shit , it all boils down to me trying to ride like a damn teenager and my body not keeping up with my brain. It happened at one of my friends practice tracks. He has the gnarly little set of whoops which are really peaked out.....only about 1-1/2 tall , but real pointy. The only way to go through them , is either to double-double , or possibly try a triple part in the middle or something....OR , jump into them in 3rd and hammer as hard as you can and skim them. Well , I had been jumping the first 3 and having my front tire hit the 4th , and going into them in 3rd gear completely pinned and just humming across them. I did it all day , and had them dialed.

The thing is , I rode all day two days before , and all day again on the day i wrecked. I should have stopped about 2 practices before it even happened , but I was having so much fun I didn't want to stop. I was so tired I was about falling over in corners , but I kept going for some reason. My last lap around I decided to triple in and blitz them again......but I screwed up the corner coming in and lost a little of my entry speed. I tripled , but came up a little short.....lost some momentum and when I got to the last two , I hit a really bad kicker on the front side. My front wheel hit it first and I lost more speed , then when my rear wheel hit , it slammed really , really hard and it came back on me.....and shot me over the bars.

Me and the bike first landed about 20' past the last whoop upside down......then me and the bike continued to cart wheel 3 more times all the way to the next corner. Got a slight concussion , broke some ribs and bruised myself up pretty good. The scary thing was , i bruised the top of my head some how and it screwed up my spine and neck. To the point where they got swollen and I could feel about 80% of my left arm for a couple hours. It's been a week now.....and I still can't feel parts of my fingers on my left side.

I can't keep doing this shit to myself. I'm getting to old to take hits like this any more and now it's starting to affect my work. I can't help the way i ride....as I always want to push myself.....if I can't do that.....then why bother ya know? It gets boring just putting around at 1/2 speed.

Going to get healed up and finish out the year riding.....and then towards the end of the summer , I'm going to weigh my options. Thinking about just stepping away from the riding part all together. I have the rest of my life to think about and I really don't want to end up in a wheel chair or even worse.

Sorry for the long reply Butch.....just got a lot of things on my mind right now.
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Triple chain rings on road bikes are for Freds.Especially with that 12-46 gearset hanging offoff your rear hub
That's like installing chrome running boards on a KX450
All you need now is a set of tri bars on your Specialuzed and 2 water bottles on the b.ack of the seat. A white bucket helmet with the mirror clipped on it wouldn't hurt either
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TX24 wrote:
I've done about 35 miles on my mb several times on the road. I do need to put street tires on it to increase the fun...
I've done about 35 miles on my mb several times on the road. I do need to put street tires on it to increase the fun factor.
BUTCH wrote:
Once you do that you'll wish you had taller gears. It does help though.
I already wish I had taller gears. I just feel I have too many toys. I am going later. I find I can motivate myself to go more often if I go on short hour or hour and a half rides. Instead of going for say three hours.
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Triple chain rings on road bikes are for Freds.Especially with that 12-46 gearset hanging offoff your rear hub That's like installing chrome running boards on a...
Triple chain rings on road bikes are for Freds.Especially with that 12-46 gearset hanging offoff your rear hub
That's like installing chrome running boards on a KX450
All you need now is a set of tri bars on your Specialuzed and 2 water bottles on the b.ack of the seat. A white bucket helmet with the mirror clipped on it wouldn't hurt either
Ehem...... Who said anything about 3 rings on the front? You can get 105 with 3 or 2. None of the Roubiax's come with 3! Nice try though!Laughing Laughing Laughing
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jeffro503 wrote:
Damn Butch....you have really gotten serious about this onroad stuff! Good for you man! Still plan on doing the Seattle to Portland run? BTW.....hope you're doing...
Damn Butch....you have really gotten serious about this onroad stuff! Good for you man! Still plan on doing the Seattle to Portland run?

BTW.....hope you're doing well buddy! I am healing up from some tweaked ribs and some internal bruising right now. Hope to be back on the 450 within a few weeks if these bones aren't broke.....but to soon to tell right now.

Take care man , and please stay in touch!
BUTCH wrote:
Hey, Jeff, good to hear from ya brother. Sorry your banged up, sounds like you took a spill! What happened? Yeah, I'm training my ass off...
Hey, Jeff, good to hear from ya brother. Sorry your banged up, sounds like you took a spill! What happened? Yeah, I'm training my ass off, getting ready for the STP. It's the 14th and 15th of July, and I'm doing the one day deal......205 miles! I have 6 pounds to lose to meet my goal I set for myself. Once the STP is over we need to get some of the old crew together and do some riding! Take care.Cool
jeffro503 wrote:
Brother Butch....you are kickin' some major ass on that bike!! 205 friggin' miles in one day? I'd die if I tried to do that! Great job...
Brother Butch....you are kickin' some major ass on that bike!! 205 friggin' miles in one day? I'd die if I tried to do that! Great job buddy....and keep it going!

As far as my wreck goes......shit , it all boils down to me trying to ride like a damn teenager and my body not keeping up with my brain. It happened at one of my friends practice tracks. He has the gnarly little set of whoops which are really peaked out.....only about 1-1/2 tall , but real pointy. The only way to go through them , is either to double-double , or possibly try a triple part in the middle or something....OR , jump into them in 3rd and hammer as hard as you can and skim them. Well , I had been jumping the first 3 and having my front tire hit the 4th , and going into them in 3rd gear completely pinned and just humming across them. I did it all day , and had them dialed.

The thing is , I rode all day two days before , and all day again on the day i wrecked. I should have stopped about 2 practices before it even happened , but I was having so much fun I didn't want to stop. I was so tired I was about falling over in corners , but I kept going for some reason. My last lap around I decided to triple in and blitz them again......but I screwed up the corner coming in and lost a little of my entry speed. I tripled , but came up a little short.....lost some momentum and when I got to the last two , I hit a really bad kicker on the front side. My front wheel hit it first and I lost more speed , then when my rear wheel hit , it slammed really , really hard and it came back on me.....and shot me over the bars.

Me and the bike first landed about 20' past the last whoop upside down......then me and the bike continued to cart wheel 3 more times all the way to the next corner. Got a slight concussion , broke some ribs and bruised myself up pretty good. The scary thing was , i bruised the top of my head some how and it screwed up my spine and neck. To the point where they got swollen and I could feel about 80% of my left arm for a couple hours. It's been a week now.....and I still can't feel parts of my fingers on my left side.

I can't keep doing this shit to myself. I'm getting to old to take hits like this any more and now it's starting to affect my work. I can't help the way i ride....as I always want to push myself.....if I can't do that.....then why bother ya know? It gets boring just putting around at 1/2 speed.

Going to get healed up and finish out the year riding.....and then towards the end of the summer , I'm going to weigh my options. Thinking about just stepping away from the riding part all together. I have the rest of my life to think about and I really don't want to end up in a wheel chair or even worse.

Sorry for the long reply Butch.....just got a lot of things on my mind right now.
Damn, sounds pretty nasty. We need to meet up at Washougal this year with the rest of the fellas! Take care .
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Very cool Butch.
BUTCH wrote:
Hey John, how you been brother?!!!!!!Cool
Doing good man. Glad to see you're still kicking.

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