All the Honda 450 riders are out, is it the bike?.

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Edited Date/Time 5/16/2012 4:42pm
We have been blaming the Yamaha now for sometime. Perhaps the Honda is more to blame. That bike has thrown some riders to the ground hard, but the bike has not been blamed. Things that make you go Hmm..
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twosmoke30 5/15/2012 9:20am
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carlosmacho wrote:
We have been blaming the Yamaha now for sometime. Perhaps the Honda is more to blame. That bike has thrown some riders to the ground hard...
We have been blaming the Yamaha now for sometime. Perhaps the Honda is more to blame. That bike has thrown some riders to the ground hard, but the bike has not been blamed. Things that make you go Hmm..
ya because canard getting landed on was totally the bikes fault..
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carlosmacho 5/15/2012 9:24am
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carlosmacho wrote:
We have been blaming the Yamaha now for sometime. Perhaps the Honda is more to blame. That bike has thrown some riders to the ground hard...
We have been blaming the Yamaha now for sometime. Perhaps the Honda is more to blame. That bike has thrown some riders to the ground hard, but the bike has not been blamed. Things that make you go Hmm..
twosmoke30 wrote:
ya because canard getting landed on was totally the bikes fault..
But what about the outdoor crash before that? There has been a whole lot of crashing goin on at Honda 450 land. Reed, twice now.
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newmann 5/15/2012 9:32am
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And I don't recall the entire team blowing up at Southwick back in the 2 stroke days.Wink
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RV, Hanson, Partridge, Tedesso, Rattray, Durham, and Wilson are all injured. Those Kawasakis must be pieces of shit too.

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fader418 5/15/2012 9:41am
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I started a similiar thread before. Didn't last long... And that was before Kdub got hurt. Hopefully T Hahn stays healthy all summer. Both of the Hahn brothers!
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philflam 5/15/2012 9:42am
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308 wrote:
RV, Hanson, Partridge, Tedesso, Rattray, Durham, and Wilson are all injured. Those Kawasakis must be pieces of shit too.
Grinning Grinning Grinning
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MotoX85 5/15/2012 9:43am
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carlosmacho wrote:
We have been blaming the Yamaha now for sometime. Perhaps the Honda is more to blame. That bike has thrown some riders to the ground hard...
We have been blaming the Yamaha now for sometime. Perhaps the Honda is more to blame. That bike has thrown some riders to the ground hard, but the bike has not been blamed. Things that make you go Hmm..
I see the point you are trying to make, but as I am sure you expected, you get the immediate bombardment of negative comments. But your analogy about the Honda is NO DIFFERENT than the anaology of Stewart and the Yamaha.

All I know is this, I have never seen ANY bike hurt a rider on the showroom floor untouched. Takes someone to get on it and ride it. And since some riders are doing the best they ever have and some riders who have been sitting on their ass for 3 years wasting time with an ego the size of the grand canyon have different opinions of the same bike..............might want to start looking at the rider.

HMMMMM....indeed sir
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scooter5002 5/15/2012 9:51am
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Isn't that Honda a four stroke? THAT must be the problem.
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Phillips467 5/15/2012 9:53am
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308 wrote:
RV, Hanson, Partridge, Tedesso, Rattray, Durham, and Wilson are all injured. Those Kawasakis must be pieces of shit too.
...and all Factory KTM riders have been injured at some point this year, the bike must be too blame over there too Whistling
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MotoX85 5/15/2012 10:01am
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I know the KTM was the problem when their rider over jumped landing on the table top and then did a front flip over the next bump.........................no no no wait, that was Stewart and the Yamaha............my bad

And remember that time when the KTM rider dropped the front end in the whoops and he went flying off the track.......no no no wait that was the damn Yamaha again.

Ok Ok remember the time when the KTM rider tried to ride a wheely over a jump he was also trying to seat bounce at Daytona and the bike ejected his ass into outer space.................damn it, that was the freakin Yamaha and Stewart also

I give up......must be the Yamaha.
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hothands 5/15/2012 10:02am
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308 wrote:
RV, Hanson, Partridge, Tedesso, Rattray, Durham, and Wilson are all injured. Those Kawasakis must be pieces of shit too.
Phillips467 wrote:
...and all Factory KTM riders have been injured at some point this year, the bike must be too blame over there too Whistling
Could it be that people sometimes crash while trying to go fast on a motorcycle?
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308 5/15/2012 10:06am
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hothands wrote:
Could it be that people sometimes crash while trying to go fast on a motorcycle?
That makes about as much sense as trying to nail jello to a tree.
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In Canards case the Yamaha is to blame. Had it not landed on him he could still be racing, this lets Honda off the hook. That shitty Yamaha is wreaking havoc among the pro riders, it's no doubt some sort of conspiracy.
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R-acer 5/15/2012 10:12am
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How do we blame the bike for Reed riding over his head trying to keep up with RV?
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reded 5/15/2012 10:15am
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How do we blame the bike for Reed riding over his head trying to keep up with RV?
You've got it all wrong, he was trying to stay in front of Stewart and the YAMAHA. It was the fault of the Yamaha.
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IWreckALot 5/15/2012 10:30am
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I'm curious if there is a relation to the incentive that Honda offers vs. other brands. Seems like the riders getting injured were pushing themselves pretty hard when they have eaten it. Canard was just a bad incident. But Reed and KDub were pushing it.

All in all, I think it's all just a coincidence that they were on the Honda.
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dkg 5/15/2012 10:51am
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I know this has been stated in other threads, it applies here and in a lot of the cited examples of this bike being so bad, slow, etc.


"correlation proves causation, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship. The fallacy is also known as cum hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin for "with this, therefore because of this") and false cause. It is a common fallacy in which it is assumed that because two things or events occur together, one must be the cause of the other "
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mx941 5/15/2012 11:06am
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Is Brayton out now? I didn't hear that.

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ocscottie 5/15/2012 11:15am
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308 wrote:
That makes about as much sense as trying to nail jello to a tree.
HAR!! nail jello to a tree, fucking classic.

btw Chris, i still need to get with my mom about finding some pics of Ian for that other project, i havent forgot aboutcha dude!
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Big 5/15/2012 11:26am
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Brand doesn´t matter. I got thrown off a sunbed badly once on the riviera. When i tried to take i´ts life with a good kick it nailed me on my nose and took me to the ground. I swear that it was alive! blablabla!Woohoo
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OW38B 5/15/2012 12:23pm
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dkg wrote:
I know this has been stated in other threads, it applies here and in a lot of the cited examples of this bike being so bad...
I know this has been stated in other threads, it applies here and in a lot of the cited examples of this bike being so bad, slow, etc.


"correlation proves causation, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship. The fallacy is also known as cum hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin for "with this, therefore because of this") and false cause. It is a common fallacy in which it is assumed that because two things or events occur together, one must be the cause of the other "
You Sir have "wisdom beyond your years".

Most on Vital want to correlate that A + B + C = D. Though that is almost never the case. But if it was not for those that do that this joint would not be as entertaining as it is.
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Gravity hates motocrossers.
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308 5/15/2012 12:35pm
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308 wrote:
That makes about as much sense as trying to nail jello to a tree.
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HAR!! nail jello to a tree, fucking classic. btw Chris, i still need to get with my mom about finding some pics of Ian for that...
HAR!! nail jello to a tree, fucking classic.

btw Chris, i still need to get with my mom about finding some pics of Ian for that other project, i havent forgot aboutcha dude!
No worries man! whenever you have time.
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ocscottie 5/15/2012 12:46pm
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Right on buddy...

oh and btw: Laughing

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jtomasik 5/15/2012 12:48pm
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GuyB wrote:
Gravity hates motocrossers.
VitalMX defies gravity.

(and common sense)
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Underdog999 5/15/2012 12:51pm
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dkg wrote:
I know this has been stated in other threads, it applies here and in a lot of the cited examples of this bike being so bad...
I know this has been stated in other threads, it applies here and in a lot of the cited examples of this bike being so bad, slow, etc.


"correlation proves causation, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship. The fallacy is also known as cum hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin for "with this, therefore because of this") and false cause. It is a common fallacy in which it is assumed that because two things or events occur together, one must be the cause of the other "
^^^^^^ This, and big time. I have always said that correlation does not equal causation. People will then look at me with an open mouth. Some will utter "huh?" and others will walk away. I, too, have noticed that many people think that because two events happen together, people think that one caused the other.
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308 wrote:
RV, Hanson, Partridge, Tedesso, Rattray, Durham, and Wilson are all injured. Those Kawasakis must be pieces of shit too.
Phillips467 wrote:
...and all Factory KTM riders have been injured at some point this year, the bike must be too blame over there too Whistling
hothands wrote:
Could it be that people sometimes crash while trying to go fast on a motorcycle?
Genius.


*Note: Seeing as you didn't detect the sarcasm in my first post, this is sarcastic also.
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^^^^^^ This, and big time. I have always said that correlation does not equal causation. People will then look at me with an open mouth. Some...
^^^^^^ This, and big time. I have always said that correlation does not equal causation. People will then look at me with an open mouth. Some will utter "huh?" and others will walk away. I, too, have noticed that many people think that because two events happen together, people think that one caused the other.
HUH??Dizzy
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Faceaz 5/15/2012 1:03pm
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Did I miss something? What happened to Brayton?
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GuyB wrote:
Gravity hates motocrossers.
jtomasik wrote:
VitalMX defies gravity.

(and common sense)
There are signs of common sense, you just have to dig a little.

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