Stewart Update from Matthes

Stickers 4/23/2012 9:49am
4/23/2012 9:49am Edited Date/Time 4/23/2012 9:50am
I don't like him for that, lack of respect for others, and his attitude. Its not that he said it, its that he acted like it was in the bag.
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carlosmacho 4/23/2012 9:52am
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Stickers wrote:
I don't like him for that, lack of respect for others, and his attitude. Its not that he said it, its that he acted like it...
I don't like him for that, lack of respect for others, and his attitude. Its not that he said it, its that he acted like it was in the bag.
I would like to see these video clips so I can hate him too since that seem like a good enough reason to do so. Do you have a link?
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mxb2 4/23/2012 9:54am
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Be real , stewart being black gets him fans and people do not like him because he is black. I know black dudes that like stewart and know nothing about mx, just to make a point of being pro black. Stewarts gets judged because everythings a secret and he does not do what he says he will? Would it kill him to show up at some sx races for his sponsore to sign autographs, posters etc?
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426Hemi 4/23/2012 9:55am
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James obviously thinks it is the bike. I hope he gets a different bike and lets see how he does. I do think it is funny...
James obviously thinks it is the bike. I hope he gets a different bike and lets see how he does.

I do think it is funny the expectations of James fans and non fans. It is ok for Shortie or Windham to get top 10. Or even Dungey to get 2nd place. We even seen RV struggle at the beginning of the season. But everyone still loves those guys.

James gets a second, does not do well in a race, everyone hates on him. James or any rider can choose not to race outdoors if they don't want to. If they can make more money in SX, let them. But still the hate for James. The expectations are so high for him. He seems to be the rider everyone loves to hate. Is it because he is black?

James won 2 rounds in SX, but no one focuses on that, they all hate him because he is not winning. No other rider I know has that kind of pressure to win on them. I guess I don't understand it. James is just another rider like RV, RD, or TC. Talking about Trey.. People constantly complain about James crashing but Trey is the master crasher and every time he crashes, he has a serious injury... but everyone loves him, yet James crashes and does not take a first, everyone hates him. Interesting the fan attitude to this one rider. He is fast, he won twice, he crashes like Trey does, but everyone hates on him like noones business. Is this because he is black? Just sayin.
So now James is "just another rider"?

Really?

A guy who has won as many races and titles as he has cannot be compared to an Andrew Short or Kevin Windham. You want to compare him to someone in terms of expectations, then use examples like Reed, Carmichael and now Villipoto.

Dungey constantly gets bashed for not being aggressive, and lest you forget, people calling him gay not too long ago. Canard gets trashed for his religion. Carmichael has heard his fair share of boos, and Reed has been called every name in the book.

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brett99 4/23/2012 10:04am
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i honestly think its all in stewarts head. i do believe that the yamaha isnt up to par with the other bikes in the pits. but with jgr having all the support and equipment they do im sure that they could set the yamaha up for him. for example when RC went to suzuki they built a frame that matched his honda and then started from the ground up until he was satisfied. why couldnt they do that with stewart??? and im sure that gibbs would be willing to do that kind of thing to get stewart comfortable on there bike. i thinks its stewart just being thick headed and not wanting to be on a yamaha any longer. and also using this as an excuse to skip the outdoors again. just my opinion...
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DownSouth 4/23/2012 10:32am
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i honestly think its all in stewarts head. i do believe that the yamaha isnt up to par with the other bikes in the pits. but...
i honestly think its all in stewarts head. i do believe that the yamaha isnt up to par with the other bikes in the pits. but with jgr having all the support and equipment they do im sure that they could set the yamaha up for him. for example when RC went to suzuki they built a frame that matched his honda and then started from the ground up until he was satisfied. why couldnt they do that with stewart??? and im sure that gibbs would be willing to do that kind of thing to get stewart comfortable on there bike. i thinks its stewart just being thick headed and not wanting to be on a yamaha any longer. and also using this as an excuse to skip the outdoors again. just my opinion...
Exactly what bike did Suzuki build from the ground up for RC to match his Honda? The RM 250 was near the end of its existing design phase in 2005 when RC went to Suzuki and the RMZ 450 had been in development for several years overseas and Sebatien Tortelli ran the works version in the US.

There is a thing called the "production" rule so JGR can not just invent their own frame to suit whatever handling characteristic Stewart wants. The production rule is a bit of a joke but I do not see how doing what you mention could ever be legal.
SEE ARE125 4/23/2012 10:38am
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Unless Yamaha started producing a bike with a new frame and handling characteristics like Stewart wanted. But by the time that bike makes it to the showroom floors and is a "production bike," Stewart will have retired.
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I would like to see these video clips so I can hate him too since that seem like a good enough reason to do so. Do...
I would like to see these video clips so I can hate him too since that seem like a good enough reason to do so. Do you have a link?
They showed it again Saturday night during the telecast.
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peelout 4/23/2012 10:41am
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Exactly what bike did Suzuki build from the ground up for RC to match his Honda? The RM 250 was near the end of its existing...
Exactly what bike did Suzuki build from the ground up for RC to match his Honda? The RM 250 was near the end of its existing design phase in 2005 when RC went to Suzuki and the RMZ 450 had been in development for several years overseas and Sebatien Tortelli ran the works version in the US.

There is a thing called the "production" rule so JGR can not just invent their own frame to suit whatever handling characteristic Stewart wants. The production rule is a bit of a joke but I do not see how doing what you mention could ever be legal.
well, they didn't custom build the 250 for him, but according to Chad, it was the best 250 two-stroke out there. the last year they raced 250's, Chad was forced to the aluminum frame and didn't like it. prior to that, he rode the suzuki and loved it so he knew how formidable Ricky was going to be on it.

this was just a little background
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brett99 4/23/2012 10:49am
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when RC was still on the rm before the rmz his frame was very similar to the frames on his cr because that was what he asked for. after he began riding the 4 stroke i would imagine that he then began working with the stock suzuki frame. but thats all just what i have heard.

i have never heard of the "production rule" but i guess that would make sense or you would have all kinds of different chopped up bikes scrambled together. so im not sure exactly what the factories can and cannot get away with. but ive also heard lots of rumor that dungeys frame is far from an oem ktm frame.
rustytrombone 4/23/2012 11:00am
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I hate to say it, but I'm actually in agreement with Carlos on this one.
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mark_swart 4/23/2012 11:03am
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brett99 wrote:
when RC was still on the rm before the rmz his frame was very similar to the frames on his cr because that was what he...
when RC was still on the rm before the rmz his frame was very similar to the frames on his cr because that was what he asked for. after he began riding the 4 stroke i would imagine that he then began working with the stock suzuki frame. but thats all just what i have heard.

i have never heard of the "production rule" but i guess that would make sense or you would have all kinds of different chopped up bikes scrambled together. so im not sure exactly what the factories can and cannot get away with. but ive also heard lots of rumor that dungeys frame is far from an oem ktm frame.
If you have never even heard of the production rule, you are probably a bit out of your depth commenting here...
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DownSouth 4/23/2012 11:20am
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brett99 wrote:
when RC was still on the rm before the rmz his frame was very similar to the frames on his cr because that was what he...
when RC was still on the rm before the rmz his frame was very similar to the frames on his cr because that was what he asked for. after he began riding the 4 stroke i would imagine that he then began working with the stock suzuki frame. but thats all just what i have heard.

i have never heard of the "production rule" but i guess that would make sense or you would have all kinds of different chopped up bikes scrambled together. so im not sure exactly what the factories can and cannot get away with. but ive also heard lots of rumor that dungeys frame is far from an oem ktm frame.
The CR 250 had an aluminum frame since 1998. The 2005 RM 250 that RC rode was steel framed and that frame design was several years old by that time and was the last design before they discontinued the bike. RC only rode the RM250 in the 2005 SX series he was 450 full time after that. They may have played with triple clamp offsets and other tricks to get the bike to do some things RC wanted but they could not legally by the production rule build him a frame like a Honda.

With the production rule you have to keep the stock frame dimensions, steering head angle, motor mount locations, swingarm pivot location, etc.
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jasonv43 4/23/2012 11:22am
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Did anybody catch the BUBBA DUMP sign in the stands when they came back from commercial break?
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wawazat 4/23/2012 11:33am
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To easy to play the race card. Do people not like LeBron James cause he is black? Kobe? Maybe some do, sure, but I think it comes down to how an athlete carries himself. James was at one time an elite athlete in his sport, and now he isn't the top dog and it has affected him.. Instead of working on making something better where he is at, he is looking to go a different way. Basically saying it isn't him, it's the bike and team he is not trusting. Dude needs to look within.

I see it as James being Lebron and the Yamaha being the Cavaliers. Suzuki being the Heat. Suzuki's bike is proven, and in James' head he thinks that offers him the best chance at winning.
The difference between James and Lebron is Lebron lived up to a contract he signed, James, not so much.

On a side note, is it out of the question to have James ride an older YZ, you know one with the engine facing the right direction?
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Grieby54 4/23/2012 11:38am
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To easy to play the race card. Do people not like LeBron James cause he is black? Kobe? Maybe some do, sure, but I think it...
To easy to play the race card. Do people not like LeBron James cause he is black? Kobe? Maybe some do, sure, but I think it comes down to how an athlete carries himself. James was at one time an elite athlete in his sport, and now he isn't the top dog and it has affected him.. Instead of working on making something better where he is at, he is looking to go a different way. Basically saying it isn't him, it's the bike and team he is not trusting. Dude needs to look within.

I see it as James being Lebron and the Yamaha being the Cavaliers. Suzuki being the Heat. Suzuki's bike is proven, and in James' head he thinks that offers him the best chance at winning.
The difference between James and Lebron is Lebron lived up to a contract he signed, James, not so much.

On a side note, is it out of the question to have James ride an older YZ, you know one with the engine facing the right direction?
I will 100% agree with you as soon as you post the interview, article, quote, or video of Stewart blaming anything on the bike.
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RaceFace 4/23/2012 12:00pm
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I think the "what color will JGR use" rumor started because people were dumbfounded that James would be back on the same bike he just wrangled...
I think the "what color will JGR use" rumor started because people were dumbfounded that James would be back on the same bike he just wrangled out of a 2 year contract to get off of. The thinking was that there is no way, no way in hell, he is going to be back on the Yamaha again. Lo and behold......ego can be a dangerous thing.
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The JGR to Suzuki rumour started because JGR was talking to Suzuki about switching. This was before Stewart.
Which I don't disagree with. The only thing I disagreed with is the idea that James signed with JGR without knowing what bike he'd be on. The rumor continued after James signed because there still was no confirmation. If it had ended up being Suzuki, I still doubt James had signed before that was a conclusion. Especially since the word now is that Suzuki came back with offers after he had already signed with JGR. Which gets back to him knowing he'd be on a Yamaha when he signed.
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wawazat wrote:
To easy to play the race card. Do people not like LeBron James cause he is black? Kobe? Maybe some do, sure, but I think it...
To easy to play the race card. Do people not like LeBron James cause he is black? Kobe? Maybe some do, sure, but I think it comes down to how an athlete carries himself. James was at one time an elite athlete in his sport, and now he isn't the top dog and it has affected him.. Instead of working on making something better where he is at, he is looking to go a different way. Basically saying it isn't him, it's the bike and team he is not trusting. Dude needs to look within.

I see it as James being Lebron and the Yamaha being the Cavaliers. Suzuki being the Heat. Suzuki's bike is proven, and in James' head he thinks that offers him the best chance at winning.
The difference between James and Lebron is Lebron lived up to a contract he signed, James, not so much.

On a side note, is it out of the question to have James ride an older YZ, you know one with the engine facing the right direction?
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I will 100% agree with you as soon as you post the interview, article, quote, or video of Stewart blaming anything on the bike.
I will 100% agree with you as soon as you post the interview, article, quote, or video of Stewart blaming anything on the bike.
Exactly why else would he be asking out of the JGR contract?

Is it that they are incompetent like Larry and L&M were (according to some)? Or is it the bike?

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peelout 4/23/2012 12:12pm
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Exactly why else would he be asking out of the JGR contract? Is it that they are incompetent like Larry and L&M were (according to some)...
Exactly why else would he be asking out of the JGR contract?

Is it that they are incompetent like Larry and L&M were (according to some)? Or is it the bike?
maybe it's the opposite and JGR want's him out?

i would be pissed if i threw down that huge of a commitment to a rider that didn't produce the goods.

they didn't sign him to be a 5th place rider.

just my .02
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RaceFace 4/23/2012 12:33pm
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Exactly why else would he be asking out of the JGR contract? Is it that they are incompetent like Larry and L&M were (according to some)...
Exactly why else would he be asking out of the JGR contract?

Is it that they are incompetent like Larry and L&M were (according to some)? Or is it the bike?
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maybe it's the opposite and JGR want's him out? i would be pissed if i threw down that huge of a commitment to a rider that...
maybe it's the opposite and JGR want's him out?

i would be pissed if i threw down that huge of a commitment to a rider that didn't produce the goods.

they didn't sign him to be a 5th place rider.

just my .02
That would be a reason. In such a case though it would probably cost them a portion of the total future left on the contract as a buyout. I don't think it's the bike, but I think he thinks it is.
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gsxrcr28 4/23/2012 1:29pm
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Jbone said twice last week that they want James on the team and for things to work out, but he thinks James doesn't know what he wants to do yet.
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Did anybody catch the BUBBA DUMP sign in the stands when they came back from commercial break?
lol'd at that..good eye
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throttle77 4/23/2012 4:21pm
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Too bad JGR can't switch to Suzuki, everyone could be happy then. Although JS is no doubt worth a lot of money, really sucks for him to lose the future nascar deal.
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wawazat wrote:
To easy to play the race card. Do people not like LeBron James cause he is black? Kobe? Maybe some do, sure, but I think it...
To easy to play the race card. Do people not like LeBron James cause he is black? Kobe? Maybe some do, sure, but I think it comes down to how an athlete carries himself. James was at one time an elite athlete in his sport, and now he isn't the top dog and it has affected him.. Instead of working on making something better where he is at, he is looking to go a different way. Basically saying it isn't him, it's the bike and team he is not trusting. Dude needs to look within.

I see it as James being Lebron and the Yamaha being the Cavaliers. Suzuki being the Heat. Suzuki's bike is proven, and in James' head he thinks that offers him the best chance at winning.
The difference between James and Lebron is Lebron lived up to a contract he signed, James, not so much.

On a side note, is it out of the question to have James ride an older YZ, you know one with the engine facing the right direction?
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I will 100% agree with you as soon as you post the interview, article, quote, or video of Stewart blaming anything on the bike.
I will 100% agree with you as soon as you post the interview, article, quote, or video of Stewart blaming anything on the bike.
no doubt...he told gibbs that the bike is awesome and he never ever wants to even look at another scooter...ever again.

it's not in "quotes" anywhere but you know what i am talking about, yer the brains of this outfit after all. Wink
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I hate to say it, but I'm actually in agreement with Carlos on this one. [img]http://smiliesftw.com/x/crunk_puke.gif[/img]
I hate to say it, but I'm actually in agreement with Carlos on this one.
surprisingly i am too
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carlosmacho wrote:
James obviously thinks it is the bike. I hope he gets a different bike and lets see how he does. I do think it is funny...
James obviously thinks it is the bike. I hope he gets a different bike and lets see how he does.

I do think it is funny the expectations of James fans and non fans. It is ok for Shortie or Windham to get top 10. Or even Dungey to get 2nd place. We even seen RV struggle at the beginning of the season. But everyone still loves those guys.

James gets a second, does not do well in a race, everyone hates on him. James or any rider can choose not to race outdoors if they don't want to. If they can make more money in SX, let them. But still the hate for James. The expectations are so high for him. He seems to be the rider everyone loves to hate. Is it because he is black?

James won 2 rounds in SX, but no one focuses on that, they all hate him because he is not winning. No other rider I know has that kind of pressure to win on them. I guess I don't understand it. James is just another rider like RV, RD, or TC. Talking about Trey.. People constantly complain about James crashing but Trey is the master crasher and every time he crashes, he has a serious injury... but everyone loves him, yet James crashes and does not take a first, everyone hates him. Interesting the fan attitude to this one rider. He is fast, he won twice, he crashes like Trey does, but everyone hates on him like noones business. Is this because he is black? Just sayin.
I guess when your nic is FMOP and answered the question "are you the most dominate athlete in any sport" with a "yes" some people believe that and expect you to live up to the BS.

Poor James.......I'll light a candle for him.
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So Matthes said last night we can stamp it - JGR and James are getting a divorce?

I really hope he gets his ducks in a row & back in the game - it's a much better race to watch when he's out there too. I'm not sure he can stand many more hits to the melon though.
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So Matthes said last night we can stamp it - JGR and James are getting a divorce? I really hope he gets his ducks in a...
So Matthes said last night we can stamp it - JGR and James are getting a divorce?

I really hope he gets his ducks in a row & back in the game - it's a much better race to watch when he's out there too. I'm not sure he can stand many more hits to the melon though.
I didn't get to listen to the show last night , but I did hear from someone else Matthes did in fact say that last night. You can pretty much say 100% Stewart is out now.

I hope where ever he lands....he forgets the huge paycheck part of things ( since he's already loaded ) and gets on a bike that he feels comfortable with. I was one of the guys who thought " It wasn't the bike" ( Still kind of do ).....but the bottom line is "What James thinks".........and if it aint working for him , then he needs to do what he thinks is best for the rest of his career.

Stewart turned pro in 2002.....he has hit that magical # of 10 years in this sport. I hope we see him for a few more years , and we get to see him on a bike he loves.
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The update from Matthes, is that there is no update.
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CR22 is older than Stewart, (he's 30 I think??) but anyway he has gotten faster with age. So I wouldn't count Stewart out just because he's getting older. Also, I would think that if Stewart were all about the money, he would stay with JGR and rake in the $$. His obvious frustration in Houston wasn't because he couldn't pay his bills, it was because he wasn't riding how he wanted to ride. I'd say it's 50% bike and 50% James lack of confidence on the bike. Either way, he's 100% not riding like the JS7 we all know.

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