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4/11/2012 6:45am Edited Date/Time 4/11/2012 6:46am
I have a feeling that Team USA will prevail again. Wink

Hopefully though the race is another nail-biter.

Herlings may win a OA or a moto if he isn't plagued with bad luck,same can be said for AC (MXoN's king of bad luck it seems - hope Tony is 100% and has a good day).

But I think Team USA will be strong and have some fun playing in that sandbox and come out on top again.
I will assume they will want this win more then any of the others in the past.
I think it would be foolish to bet against them as an OA Team for the win.
The Man will make sure the boys are prepped & ready to go....and I think he knows a bit about racing in that region. Wink
There are plenty of sand tracks down here that can be prepped with a deep sand like feel to help ready the guys with setup ect...

Looking forward to this event.
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4/11/2012 6:56am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2012 8:12am
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4/11/2012 7:03am
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I think the chances are pretty big that Herlings will go 1-1 @ Lommel ... You would be a fool to think otherwise.
It depends, is he trying to win the MXON, or is he trying to win two motos.

The problem is that some teams have one good rider and stand no chance of winning the MXON. That is Americas goal and even though RV could smoke Herling on a bad day, he will not put his personal preferences of racing to win the moto over risking losing the MXON as a team, because obviously we want the trophy to continue to stay in America.
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4/11/2012 7:06am
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Wow, all of this national pride is pretty...uh...GAY. We are adults here, no? Why do we act like our country's performance in a motocross race really...
Wow, all of this national pride is pretty...uh...GAY. We are adults here, no? Why do we act like our country's performance in a motocross race really means anything? It doesn't amount to a hill of beans. You guys really need to look into what's important in life. And really, the Anti-American sentiment is kinda sickening. What have we as a nation ever done to any of you other than help? Lommel, Lommel, Lommel, it is a motocross track. You people revere it like it's sacred ground. I hope the U.S.A. goes and gets it's ass kicked. Then you people will have something to celebrate. Can we move on if you guys are given your chance to gloat and rub our noses in it?
"I hope the U.S.A. goes and gets it's ass kicked. Then you people will have something to celebrate. "


Really? The freaking think they are the best in the world yet they cannot win an MXON and they brag about how good they are even though they have nothing to brag about. Could you imagine if they won just one MXON, we will never hear the end of it. We never hear the end of it now. Every year, oh Caroli is better (gets smoked) Roczen is better (gets smoked) Herling is better (we will have to see if he comes to America to race to find out).

They are celebrating right now they are the best but they are not, better not to feed that ego that is already out of control.

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4/11/2012 7:15am
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If you paid closer attention you would notice I never deliberately post anything inflammatory. 'Fishing' is the plague of this forum as far as Im concerned...
If you paid closer attention you would notice I never deliberately post anything inflammatory. 'Fishing' is the plague of this forum as far as Im concerned. So you can keep your Cooking utensils to yourself thanks! Smile

What Mccread posted was completely different to the OP's opening statement, yet you called him a troll. But what Mccread wrote was not dissimilar to the things you, and others like you post regularly. You just don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot thats all.
"What Mccread posted was completely different "

Mccread is a troll, are you trying to say he is a reformed troll? LOL

I have always posted remarks to someone that posted something. I don't generally start flame bate toll posts. We are still thinking Supercross, and some Euro and his little entourage which you are right up there with, come here and try to say how much better your riders are and that your "World Championship" actually means something.
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4/11/2012 7:25am
Oh gimme a break Carlos, you're pathetic.
4/11/2012 7:26am
I'm not taking anything away from the great talent over in Europe but I'm sure we have this "sand" issue covered. Great riders adapt to all track conditions.










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4/11/2012 9:13am
There are a few trolls/clowns on this site, we all know who they are.
4/11/2012 11:00am
Verry true, we could send a 3rd string team like we have in the past... and still win. You never know what is going to happen...
Verry true, we could send a 3rd string team like we have in the past... and still win. You never know what is going to happen (unless you use the past to an indicator of the future Smile
Yes anything can happen and it often does,it often adds to the excitement,suddenly France looked good last year,then Pourcel's puncture,and without their top man,the USA have...
Yes anything can happen and it often does,it often adds to the excitement,suddenly France looked good last year,then Pourcel's puncture,and without their top man,the USA have won with their B team and lost with their first choice

As DC said let's hope all the top riders are fit and racing this year,2 of the top 3 GP riders weren't at the MXdN last year and the SX has already claimed a lot of injuries this year,fingers crossed for the rest of the seasonSmile
To be honest, it gets a little boring when someone like RC or even RV now, dominates the class, just like the Americans dominate at the...
To be honest, it gets a little boring when someone like RC or even RV now, dominates the class, just like the Americans dominate at the MXON. Sending the second or the 3rd string makes the race more exciting.

Thing is most MXON races are run in Europe. That means Americans have not even ridden on them, same with Lommel. I am pretty sure that none of the Americans have ridden that track (except for Zach), that is a huge advantage for the Euros. That and as quoted "Americans suck at Motocross" they are not good sand riders and the Euros are, and the Americans have to deal with time change, being an a foreign country, they don't have the big semi of parts and resources, their bikes are shipped in parts, it is amazing the Americans win at all.
I don't know who said "Americans suck at Motocross",that ould be a stupid thing to say,just like "The Euros suck at Motocross" would.The OP doesn't say that,he thinks this kid Herlings will beat the top American rider when they meet at Lommel that's all and I guess he's entitled to his own opinion,

I'm sure it must get boring when someone like RV dominates the class,maybe it would be more exciting if he were to take on a new challenge like doing the series in Europe with many of the things that you highlight above to deal with(similar to Roczen's doing over there),who knows,it might be tougher for him,afterall the last time he did that was in France and a couple of MX2 riders beat him in 1 Moto,not being a smartass,its a fact,just sayin'

I myself like a majority of Euros think America will win the MXdN they will probably have the best team,I'm pretty sure I havn't seen anyone that has said the Euros,Aussies or South Africans are the best and hence take home the trophy
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4/11/2012 11:12am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2012 8:12am
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That was goooood!
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4/11/2012 12:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/11/2012 12:10pm
"What Mccread posted was completely different " Mccread is a troll, are you trying to say he is a reformed troll? LOL I have always posted...
"What Mccread posted was completely different "

Mccread is a troll, are you trying to say he is a reformed troll? LOL

I have always posted remarks to someone that posted something. I don't generally start flame bate toll posts. We are still thinking Supercross, and some Euro and his little entourage which you are right up there with, come here and try to say how much better your riders are and that your "World Championship" actually means something.
F hillbillies..
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"What Mccread posted was completely different " Mccread is a troll, are you trying to say he is a reformed troll? LOL I have always posted...
"What Mccread posted was completely different "

Mccread is a troll, are you trying to say he is a reformed troll? LOL

I have always posted remarks to someone that posted something. I don't generally start flame bate toll posts. We are still thinking Supercross, and some Euro and his little entourage which you are right up there with, come here and try to say how much better your riders are and that your "World Championship" actually means something.
It matters to KTM, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Husqvarna and TM since they all have involvement from the factoris one way or the other. You're the most annoying prick here at Vital btw. Congratulations!
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4/11/2012 3:05pm Edited Date/Time 4/11/2012 3:06pm
I don't know who said "Americans suck at Motocross",that ould be a stupid thing to say,just like "The Euros suck at Motocross" would.The OP doesn't say...
I don't know who said "Americans suck at Motocross",that ould be a stupid thing to say,just like "The Euros suck at Motocross" would.The OP doesn't say that,he thinks this kid Herlings will beat the top American rider when they meet at Lommel that's all and I guess he's entitled to his own opinion,

I'm sure it must get boring when someone like RV dominates the class,maybe it would be more exciting if he were to take on a new challenge like doing the series in Europe with many of the things that you highlight above to deal with(similar to Roczen's doing over there),who knows,it might be tougher for him,afterall the last time he did that was in France and a couple of MX2 riders beat him in 1 Moto,not being a smartass,its a fact,just sayin'

I myself like a majority of Euros think America will win the MXdN they will probably have the best team,I'm pretty sure I havn't seen anyone that has said the Euros,Aussies or South Africans are the best and hence take home the trophy
You sound reasonable. Please realize I live for threads like these when the same old group of Euros come here to start trouble. Always Mccread, Jamma and some others.

Problem is the American racers don't have the money to attract our riders to race FIM championship or else you might see that happen. Our boys make great money here and it does not make a lot of sense to pick up roots, go to countries that are hostile to the US. (Our best friends the Brits don't like us much any more)

So the only hope to compare is the MXON which America dominates though the usual Euro suspects will argue, or that there is enough incentive money wise to get one of your fast guys to dig up roots and come to a foreign land.

I remember the first time I went back to England, you guys didn't have Grocery stores or much in the way of places to eat out. It was the pub or nothing. You didn't even have ice. Even now Asda doesn't even compare to Walmart. So the things I took for granted in the US are a luxury at a high cost there. Don't get me wrong, I loved the history and the culture and sense of community of going down to the pub or chanting at the rugby match which America totally lacks but in the end it is still a little backward by comparison. So while no disrespect to your country or Europe a kid growing up here who is a fast rider making good money has little incentive to go over there especially to countries that don't speak English, why deal with interpreters or trying to learn multiple languages. So our hope is your riders come here. And it is cool watching Roczen and Musquin race here. That is the only real way to know who is better and even then people debate who is better in our own country with our own riders. I think that no one will debate the RV is the fastest right now, except for the usual Euros suspects who come in and say Herling will smoke RV like a cheap cigar. Which is how we got here in the first place. Do you see me going on to a Euro site and saying our riders are faster then FIM riders. No.. but it happens all the time here, when we are not even thinking about MXON, we are still working out the SX season.
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4/11/2012 3:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/11/2012 3:14pm
Page two of this thread, my fourth post down. Read it.

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4/11/2012 3:44pm
Somebody stuff a sock in Carlos please.
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4/11/2012 4:01pm
I hope he's 100% going into Lommel - he's going to smoke RV like a cheap cigar!
SlowMoFo wrote:
Are you the Euro version of Carlos?
No, just a wanna be. LOL
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4/20/2012 11:48am
Yup, we're screwed in Lommel. We should buy all you guys beers now for not talking shit like us Americans always do.
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I still think team USA will win because no other country is big enough to have three top tier rider, bar maybe france. USA don't need...
I still think team USA will win because no other country is big enough to have three top tier rider, bar maybe france. USA don't need to even win the races just need to be in the top three in their classes and theyl win it.

Put them in a GP though and I don't think you would have an American winner. but you never know.
The ISDE shows your theory is simply bunk. Smaller countries are able to get twice as many top tier riders for those events. Having to enter 6 riders should make it exponentially harder for them to even complete, let alone win, if your theory held water.

Obviously it doesn't.......................
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Of course it does... fine if numbers don't matter try sending three riders from Texas and see how well you do.... US has a lot more riders to choose from than other countries because it is a huge mx country so the numbers game gives the US the advantage as I mentioned.

Put them all in a world championship and all the top guys are a similar level no matter what their nationality.
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4/20/2012 12:09pm
mccread wrote:
Of course it does... fine if numbers don't matter try sending three riders from Texas and see how well you do.... US has a lot more...
Of course it does... fine if numbers don't matter try sending three riders from Texas and see how well you do.... US has a lot more riders to choose from than other countries because it is a huge mx country so the numbers game gives the US the advantage as I mentioned.

Put them all in a world championship and all the top guys are a similar level no matter what their nationality.
which country of roughly 25 million would you like Texas to compete with?
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mccread wrote:
Of course it does... fine if numbers don't matter try sending three riders from Texas and see how well you do.... US has a lot more...
Of course it does... fine if numbers don't matter try sending three riders from Texas and see how well you do.... US has a lot more riders to choose from than other countries because it is a huge mx country so the numbers game gives the US the advantage as I mentioned.

Put them all in a world championship and all the top guys are a similar level no matter what their nationality.
You fail to grasp even the basics to have a rational discussion.

Give Texas 5 years to hold their own supercross and national championship series, like every other country at the des Nations has the opportunity to do, and they'd compete very well,

That's what makes the AMA riders do so well, not the fact that they are American (because not all of them are) but because of the level of competition they face for so many weeks, indoors and out.

Now, explain how the "little countries" do so well in the ISDE........

The US should dominate that event, if 3 top riders are hard to find in France, 6 should be almost impossible. And having 9 different riders over the last couple of years? The numbers just couldn't work out that way, right? 10 different riders on the last 3 title teams? Impossible.........

It's all about the numbers, right?
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Don't mess with Texas.
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Probably not too wise choosing Texas,apparently 1/3rd are clinically obese Blink
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4/20/2012 1:38pm
Really.....and nobody else??? The laughs are more appropriate elsewhere around here
British Humor...

We can all live without that. And your fish and chips. And your shitty weather.
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Yanks call southwick a sand track,thats a joke. come see lommel and you will know what a sand track is. I doubt they will podium if...
Yanks call southwick a sand track,thats a joke. come see lommel and you will know what a sand track is. I doubt they will podium if they show up. AC is a beast in sand and so is herling.
that is such a dumb statement, i think herlings will be awesome tc has never had much luck at the des nations so we will wait and see and to say team usa will not podium is about the dumbest thing i have seen on this forum and i've seen some dumb shit.Even if tc wins and herlings does aswell they still need 2 other team mates to back them up.I can see the americans claiming 2nd in every class and the overall as usuall. Its gonna be epic and i will be there to see it can't wait
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PressPassP wrote:
Probably not too wise choosing Texas,apparently 1/3rd are clinically obese Blink
That's probably because they have better oral hygiene than you guys, and can still chew their food......!
4/20/2012 2:13pm
mooremoto wrote:
British Humor...

We can all live without that. And your fish and chips. And your shitty weather.
And I guess we can all live without your McSupersize and your Crack-cocaine,but there you go Pinch

Oh an your irony
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Douchebag wrote:
I think the chances are pretty big that Herlings will go 1-1 @ Lommel ... You would be a fool to think otherwise.
It depends, is he trying to win the MXON, or is he trying to win two motos. The problem is that some teams have one good...
It depends, is he trying to win the MXON, or is he trying to win two motos.

The problem is that some teams have one good rider and stand no chance of winning the MXON. That is Americas goal and even though RV could smoke Herling on a bad day, he will not put his personal preferences of racing to win the moto over risking losing the MXON as a team, because obviously we want the trophy to continue to stay in America.
he will be trying to win 2 motos the same as every other rider who lines up on the gate,he already knows that baring devine intervention holland have a very slim chance of making the podium never mind winning it.
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mohammed wrote:
Yanks call southwick a sand track,thats a joke. come see lommel and you will know what a sand track is. I doubt they will podium if...
Yanks call southwick a sand track,thats a joke. come see lommel and you will know what a sand track is. I doubt they will podium if they show up. AC is a beast in sand and so is herling.
tns wrote:
that is such a dumb statement, i think herlings will be awesome tc has never had much luck at the des nations so we will wait...
that is such a dumb statement, i think herlings will be awesome tc has never had much luck at the des nations so we will wait and see and to say team usa will not podium is about the dumbest thing i have seen on this forum and i've seen some dumb shit.Even if tc wins and herlings does aswell they still need 2 other team mates to back them up.I can see the americans claiming 2nd in every class and the overall as usuall. Its gonna be epic and i will be there to see it can't wait
I remember we used to hear the same thing about a guy from California with little sand experience going overseas to race Europe's best on a beach, his name is Rick Johnson.

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