Watson just accused 800 of cheating

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enketchum 4/3/2012 2:57am
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rustytrombone wrote:
Check your PMs or whatever
Where are those found
rustytrombone 4/3/2012 3:22am
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Fuck, idk. Anyway, I'm haichiroku86 on teh gpn'z, BRO. I just got unbanned over there after like 3 months.
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enketchum 4/3/2012 3:26am
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Fuck, idk. Anyway, I'm haichiroku86 on teh gpn'z, BRO. [img]http://smiliesftw.com/x/wavey.gif[/img] I just got unbanned over there after like 3 months. [img]http://smiliesftw.com/x/greddy.gif[/img]
Fuck, idk. Anyway, I'm haichiroku86 on teh gpn'z, BRO. I just got unbanned over there after like 3 months.
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add me on facebook finally broo
rustytrombone 4/3/2012 11:09am
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Fuck, idk. Anyway, I'm haichiroku86 on teh gpn'z, BRO. [img]http://smiliesftw.com/x/wavey.gif[/img] I just got unbanned over there after like 3 months. [img]http://smiliesftw.com/x/greddy.gif[/img]
Fuck, idk. Anyway, I'm haichiroku86 on teh gpn'z, BRO. I just got unbanned over there after like 3 months.
enketchum wrote:
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add me on facebook finally broo
I've been posting here for like 2 years, BRO.

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Picard186 4/3/2012 11:21am
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who cares if he is anyways, he is not winning, so whats the big deal..
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mrquick 4/3/2012 11:59am
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I highly doubt that Mike is cheating,hell I've seen him holeshot on a 350. I also doubt that you can keep a team afloat
on holeshot money.
Twostroke Taliban 4/3/2012 12:50pm
4/3/2012 12:50pm
Let's pull the head off Hansen and Alessis bike and lay them on the bench. Then we can play a real game of "asshole".
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GuyB 4/3/2012 1:18pm
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I talked to Kenny a bit ago, and he said that he didn't actually accuse Mike of cheating, and that was never his intent. He agrees that Mike's one of the best starters ever, and wasn't trying to create a ruckus...more pointing out how things were back in the day when you'd see guys get starts like that.
rustytrombone 4/3/2012 3:23pm
4/3/2012 3:23pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2012 3:24pm
GuyB wrote:
I talked to Kenny a bit ago, and he said that he didn't actually accuse Mike of cheating, and that was never his intent. He agrees...
I talked to Kenny a bit ago, and he said that he didn't actually accuse Mike of cheating, and that was never his intent. He agrees that Mike's one of the best starters ever, and wasn't trying to create a ruckus...more pointing out how things were back in the day when you'd see guys get starts like that.
Of course he's going to say that.

But like I said in Genova's thread, if anybody wants to hear it for themselves, and be able to draw their own conclusions from it, the whole thing starts at the 57 minute mark of this weeks show.
Twostroke Taliban 4/3/2012 3:26pm
4/3/2012 3:26pm
To me, its almost like he is saying "I'm a cheater, so I know when I see another cheater, and let me tell you, he's a cheater."

Thats what I get from this.
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Sherwood 4/3/2012 3:32pm
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Twostroke Taliban wrote:
Let's pull the head off Hansen and Alessis bike and lay them on the bench. Then we can play a real game of "asshole".
I actually know what Hansens riding and it falls well in the rules.
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Sherwood 4/3/2012 3:33pm
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Twostroke Taliban wrote:
To me, its almost like he is saying "I'm a cheater, so I know when I see another cheater, and let me tell you, he's a...
To me, its almost like he is saying "I'm a cheater, so I know when I see another cheater, and let me tell you, he's a cheater."

Thats what I get from this.
What I don't get from this is why GuyB keeps letting you in. After two or three names that should be it.
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mooch 4/3/2012 4:32pm
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rustytrombone wrote:
Said he thinks the #800 is running a big bore, and that's why he pulls holeshots.
/drama
JACK_Schit wrote:
You sound like a 14 year old female drama queen! Get a life!!!
Huh? Talk about a Jack Schit comment that comes out of friggin left field...wtf?
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DirtyFilter75 4/5/2012 11:37am
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Mike Alessi has always been a great starter!

How in the hell could anyone take Kenny Watson seriously?
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flomiester 4/5/2012 5:21pm
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Sherwood wrote:
He didin't really accuse him just said that he could see a privateer team doing so. I'd like to know what "problems" people are reporting about...
He didin't really accuse him just said that he could see a privateer team doing so. I'd like to know what "problems" people are reporting about L&MC racing.
rustytrombone wrote:
Correction, he said that he didn't understand how a privateer guy was beating factory bikes (he specifically said factory Honda) to the corner.
Sherwood wrote:
It is interesting. Is Varner only helping Jeff or Mike as well...?
Varner does a lot of testing before the bikes get to moto concepts .The basic engine desighn cylinder head and cams are done by me i also @ one point had Roush racing involved. In the past Roush was helpfull in building me cam shafts for the KTMs when the factory would not supply us anything but there grind.The pistons are made by J&E and are a stock bore .the stock suzuki engine made a 52 hp base line the end result is well into the 60s and is eazy to ride . im getting one of the bikes back next week to se if we can futher the development for out door .i also build dirt track 450s for several years they alowed 0ver 500 ccs and most every one had them built there with 68-70 hp. Pat moroney who i built engines for had me keep the development as a 450 ,we beat every 500 on the miles with brian smith and a legal 450 untill they changed the rules to 450 and my engines still are dominant.we have 450 hondas making over 65 hp on c12 vp fuel with good fuel they can go over 68 hp.Im sure the factory guys can do this but have not chosen that route Tony keeps wanting more and thats what we @ TUF are providing.Theses engines are just like my dirt track engines there not exsplosive there eazy to ride. Varner called me a few weeks back and said that we were going to be called cheaters and to get ready for it.The factory guys have a lot of resorces but there just pepole I have a lot of resorces also .
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motoplook 4/5/2012 8:56pm
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GuyB wrote:
I talked to Kenny a bit ago, and he said that he didn't actually accuse Mike of cheating, and that was never his intent. He agrees...
I talked to Kenny a bit ago, and he said that he didn't actually accuse Mike of cheating, and that was never his intent. He agrees that Mike's one of the best starters ever, and wasn't trying to create a ruckus...more pointing out how things were back in the day when you'd see guys get starts like that.
I listened to the show last night and what he says on that show is pretty clear. He does insinuate and creates the assumption that it is pretty weird that Mike is getting all those holeshots on that "privateer" bike; says there must be something. Says we all know how good of a starter the Honda is and that Mike is even better with his bike.

Whatever he spins now is a bit too late, it wasn't sounding like a joke. But hey, he loves Mike, loves Genova and him and Tony are real good Smile LOL
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Faceaz 4/5/2012 9:26pm
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rustytrombone wrote:
Correction, he said that he didn't understand how a privateer guy was beating factory bikes (he specifically said factory Honda) to the corner.
Sherwood wrote:
It is interesting. Is Varner only helping Jeff or Mike as well...?
flomiester wrote:
Varner does a lot of testing before the bikes get to moto concepts .The basic engine desighn cylinder head and cams are done by me i...
Varner does a lot of testing before the bikes get to moto concepts .The basic engine desighn cylinder head and cams are done by me i also @ one point had Roush racing involved. In the past Roush was helpfull in building me cam shafts for the KTMs when the factory would not supply us anything but there grind.The pistons are made by J&E and are a stock bore .the stock suzuki engine made a 52 hp base line the end result is well into the 60s and is eazy to ride . im getting one of the bikes back next week to se if we can futher the development for out door .i also build dirt track 450s for several years they alowed 0ver 500 ccs and most every one had them built there with 68-70 hp. Pat moroney who i built engines for had me keep the development as a 450 ,we beat every 500 on the miles with brian smith and a legal 450 untill they changed the rules to 450 and my engines still are dominant.we have 450 hondas making over 65 hp on c12 vp fuel with good fuel they can go over 68 hp.Im sure the factory guys can do this but have not chosen that route Tony keeps wanting more and thats what we @ TUF are providing.Theses engines are just like my dirt track engines there not exsplosive there eazy to ride. Varner called me a few weeks back and said that we were going to be called cheaters and to get ready for it.The factory guys have a lot of resorces but there just pepole I have a lot of resorces also .
Curious what you think a current 450 is capable of hp wise? Obviously with 65hp, there's a huge emphasis on keeping it ridable. If you were to build a mid-range & up or just top-end motor, what kind of hp do you think is achievable?
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Sherwood wrote:
It is interesting. Is Varner only helping Jeff or Mike as well...?
flomiester wrote:
Varner does a lot of testing before the bikes get to moto concepts .The basic engine desighn cylinder head and cams are done by me i...
Varner does a lot of testing before the bikes get to moto concepts .The basic engine desighn cylinder head and cams are done by me i also @ one point had Roush racing involved. In the past Roush was helpfull in building me cam shafts for the KTMs when the factory would not supply us anything but there grind.The pistons are made by J&E and are a stock bore .the stock suzuki engine made a 52 hp base line the end result is well into the 60s and is eazy to ride . im getting one of the bikes back next week to se if we can futher the development for out door .i also build dirt track 450s for several years they alowed 0ver 500 ccs and most every one had them built there with 68-70 hp. Pat moroney who i built engines for had me keep the development as a 450 ,we beat every 500 on the miles with brian smith and a legal 450 untill they changed the rules to 450 and my engines still are dominant.we have 450 hondas making over 65 hp on c12 vp fuel with good fuel they can go over 68 hp.Im sure the factory guys can do this but have not chosen that route Tony keeps wanting more and thats what we @ TUF are providing.Theses engines are just like my dirt track engines there not exsplosive there eazy to ride. Varner called me a few weeks back and said that we were going to be called cheaters and to get ready for it.The factory guys have a lot of resorces but there just pepole I have a lot of resorces also .
Faceaz wrote:
Curious what you think a current 450 is capable of hp wise? Obviously with 65hp, there's a huge emphasis on keeping it ridable. If you were...
Curious what you think a current 450 is capable of hp wise? Obviously with 65hp, there's a huge emphasis on keeping it ridable. If you were to build a mid-range & up or just top-end motor, what kind of hp do you think is achievable?
with a turbo charged blower and top fuel alcohol laser vapor injection....well over a 110.



for 2 and half minutes.... Smile

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Faceaz wrote:
Curious what you think a current 450 is capable of hp wise? Obviously with 65hp, there's a huge emphasis on keeping it ridable. If you were...
Curious what you think a current 450 is capable of hp wise? Obviously with 65hp, there's a huge emphasis on keeping it ridable. If you were to build a mid-range & up or just top-end motor, what kind of hp do you think is achievable?
Jimmy Button told me one of his 400's(426?) dyno'd 76hp and was basically unrideable. Power came on too hard. He also appeared to snicker about the actual displacement.Smile
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moto320 4/6/2012 6:27am
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Didn't Watson say that Deegan was cheating when he rode for motoxxx and even the supercross race that he won . I willing to bet there is a lot of people out there cheating one way or another
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MXD 4/6/2012 6:42am
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Picard186 wrote:
who cares if he is anyways, he is not winning, so whats the big deal..
I can see your point but try explaining that to the "no name" guys behind him that would like to beat a "big name" guy.
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Bob454 4/6/2012 9:17am
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Where do you guys have the nitrous bottle hidden?

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