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I'm not from the USA( but I do respect your country and visit it annually on many occasions) nor do I know your laws or the loop holes that can be found in them. Up here in the great white north if you run a red you run a red, you broke the law and now you are responsible for your actions and the penalties for your actions. We have red light cameras up here, they do not care about "position of vehicle" or any other bullshit loop hole, we get a yellow warning light after a green that will give you ample time to slow down just like you do below the 49th. I get the odd $ 400 photo ticket in the mail, they suck.
What is the shut off point?
You have a 450cc bike going how fast carrying momentum off that single when they signaled the yellow lights (which don't mean much)?
He then apexes the corner hammers it WFO.... probably looked up and seen the reds flashing.
You would have to prove when he actually seen the RED lights.
When did he see them,we need proof? I need to know exactly without any reasonable doubt what so ever.
That is how it works.
Also, the AMA makes the rules and enforces them...and wears all the hats in cases like these.
I believe he deserved a warning,which is probably what he got.
But I think there is a fair amount of doubt there to convict him on it due to how that section was setup and how you had to hammer it right out of that corner to make that triple. I think when he seen them it was possibly to late...
But only he really knows.
Red Flashing Light:
Red Flashing Light: A red flashing light may be displayed at the beginning of a triple jump or a series of jumps. Riders must roll each jump individually with no passing and exercise extreme caution until they are past the area of concern.
1. If he saw them.
2. If he had time to slow down.
3. What is the shut off point.
4. If he's committed.
5. If he's color blind.
6. If he's been racing all his life and the yellow flag means ___.
6. If his head was down, his focus was on RD, his balls were shifted to the left, etc. ?
7. 5 second penalty
None of the above. So all of your arguments/opinions really don't mean too much.
What does mean much... AMA ruled (dumb as always) and that's that. He should of been penalized and IMO, that should be 1 position. I could care less if it was RV, JS, RD, or another 2 lettered rider. Safety is the issue, and the message the AMA is sending is..... If you can come up with excuses, we'll excuse the rulebook too.
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The shut off point does indeed matter...
If you are 3rd gear pinned on a the face or base or 2 feet or 5 feet,10feet ect.. before a jump and they flip on the reds....are you supposed to lock them up? Or should you be penalized for being at the wrong place that the wrong time,in the wrong gear,going the wrong speed?
Is it more & more unsafe to lock em up and roll them dragging the back break?
Lot's to take into consideration of why the AMA ruled the way they did.
That is part of this entire argument.
Were the yellows in the corner not flipped on soon enough ec...?
Because... It's my opinion he had plenty of time to adhere to the rule.
BTW.. I understand fully your points, just that none are in the rulebook under the "excuses" section.
If you take into consideration that Stewart was less than 5 seconds behind RV AT THAT POINT of the infraction, that could of made a tremendous difference in the outcome of the race.
So.. that 5 second penalty really isn't as fair as people would assume it to be.
But obviously something went on behind the scenes,a talk with RV by the AMA/FIM John G. I assume.
I think they had to use a bit of common sense on their ruling.
I'm 50/50 on the whole thing TBH.
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But regardless, the lights were already red when he came out of the corner. Get your vision checked.
He had plenty of time to apply his brakes.
Then a rider went down near a triple jump, and the track officials turned the red caution lights on. Dungey and Villopoto jumped the jump, then Stewart rolled it as per the rules. He lost a ton of time there and essentially lost whatever chance he might have had of winning the race. Officials then ruled that Dungey and Villopoto had already committed to the triple by the time the lights came on, and they were not penalized for jumping.
So according to this report, Dungey jumped on the red lights also. Now we can have another 9 pages of Dungey haters losing their minds as well.
Hmm. Nevermind that of the last 10 laps of the race, only on 2 of those did Stewart have a faster lap time than Villopoto. Somehow, the other 8 laps Stewart was magically catching Villopoto, even though he had slower lap times. Must be that 2012 planet alignment thing warping the space-time fabric, altering clocks, especially those near Atlanta.
Visually James was catching Ryan.
he wasn't catching them anyway, get a grip, bubba of 08 is gone
I'm gonna dig my heels in on this one and maintain it's the planet alignment space fabric warpage thingy.
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