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Edited Date/Time 2/5/2012 10:53pm
I am a Dungey fan but I have to admit it is frustrating watching him. I think the only way he will win more SX races is if he holeshots and RV, Stew, and Reed are back pretty far. The last 2 SX wins he has, that was the case. If he doesn't holeshot, his chances of winning are slim. I don't see him beating any of those guys straight up.

Watching A2 Dungey was behind Brayton for half the race and couldn't make a pass. Then you look at RV who treats the first lap like it is the last and gets by Reed in no time. Dungey settles in too much during the first couple laps. By doing that he has no chance to catch the top guys. Early in the race he was right behind Stewart. At the end of the race, he was 10 seconds behind him and 2 positions back.

I don't think he is going to suddenly change. I guess I will have to get used to him getting podiums but not wins. At least in SX, outdoors he will get some wins.
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Sherwood 2/5/2012 11:05am
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What's different from last year?
TbonesPop 2/5/2012 11:19am
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Feldspar wrote:
I am a Dungey fan but I have to admit it is frustrating watching him. I think the only way he will win more SX races...
I am a Dungey fan but I have to admit it is frustrating watching him. I think the only way he will win more SX races is if he holeshots and RV, Stew, and Reed are back pretty far. The last 2 SX wins he has, that was the case. If he doesn't holeshot, his chances of winning are slim. I don't see him beating any of those guys straight up.

Watching A2 Dungey was behind Brayton for half the race and couldn't make a pass. Then you look at RV who treats the first lap like it is the last and gets by Reed in no time. Dungey settles in too much during the first couple laps. By doing that he has no chance to catch the top guys. Early in the race he was right behind Stewart. At the end of the race, he was 10 seconds behind him and 2 positions back.

I don't think he is going to suddenly change. I guess I will have to get used to him getting podiums but not wins. At least in SX, outdoors he will get some wins.
He's a very smart racer. This year and likely for the foreseeable future it's all about "points and podiums". That will likely change when it comes down to the last 4-5 races of the season when it comes time to start taking some chances. But why push too hard now when you know you can run your normal race and always be in the top 4 and usually in the top 3 (when someone else has a bad night)? Just gotta be there in the points race when it comes down to at least Daytona and on - if not later as in the last 4-5 races.

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three9zero 2/5/2012 11:23am
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Nothing wrong with being the 4 fastest rider in the world........
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He's doing what he is suppose to do. This year is suppose to be a learning year for him and the team and they are right in the hunt, with a race win. It will be interesting to see what happens when all four of the big four get a 1-2-3-4 start.


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lucky95 2/5/2012 11:25am
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He is a lot nicer coming thru the pack than JS and RV. Couple elbows, trade a little paint and he's up there just as fast. My .02
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TeamGreen 2/5/2012 11:32am
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During the day he didn't look smooth or comfortable. He appeared to make changes to the bike that enabled him to, eventually, get the bike to work in the Rythm & Whoops sections. You have to give him credit for keeping up with the leaders while developing a VERY different set-up on a VERY different bike.

As the season continues he'll get the necessary "multiple-set-ups" dialed & he'll win more races: I'd look for a really good nite at Daytona.
UpTiTe 2/5/2012 12:39pm
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The guy that holeshot round 1 won the race. The guy who holeshot round 2 won. the guy that holeshot round 3 won . The guy who started second in round 4 won. The guy that holeshot round 5 won.

Maybe I'm dumb, but I see a trend, in this field the guy that gets the best start wins.

RV had to holeshot the two races he won, maybe he isn't fast either without a start. See what I did there?
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Arguing with a dead horse???
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moto282 2/5/2012 1:00pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
The guy that holeshot round 1 won the race. The guy who holeshot round 2 won. the guy that holeshot round 3 won . The guy...
The guy that holeshot round 1 won the race. The guy who holeshot round 2 won. the guy that holeshot round 3 won . The guy who started second in round 4 won. The guy that holeshot round 5 won.

Maybe I'm dumb, but I see a trend, in this field the guy that gets the best start wins.

RV had to holeshot the two races he won, maybe he isn't fast either without a start. See what I did there?
I get what you're saying... The starts definitely appear to be more important this year. But at round 3 Reed won by passing Weimer and Stewart. Round 4 Stewart won by passing Hansen, Short and Reed. Round 5 RV got passed by Reed and passed him back. In fact, I think everyone but Dungey has made a pass for the lead to win. But I think Dungey is right there with those guys on speed and will win again. We're only 5 rounds in. They all have their good races and bad races. A2 was an off race for Dungey and he still got to 4th.
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Feldspar 2/5/2012 1:00pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
The guy that holeshot round 1 won the race. The guy who holeshot round 2 won. the guy that holeshot round 3 won . The guy...
The guy that holeshot round 1 won the race. The guy who holeshot round 2 won. the guy that holeshot round 3 won . The guy who started second in round 4 won. The guy that holeshot round 5 won.

Maybe I'm dumb, but I see a trend, in this field the guy that gets the best start wins.

RV had to holeshot the two races he won, maybe he isn't fast either without a start. See what I did there?
In round 3 Reed started in 4th and won. He passed Dungey, Stewart, and Weimer and went on to win. Last week Stewart didn't get the Holeshot either. He passes Reed and went on to win. Last night RV started in second and went on to pass Reed for the win.

So you were right 2 out of 5.
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plowboy 2/5/2012 1:01pm
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Ryan is doing ok. Probably already surpassed the teams 1st year expectations. The talent in this years pool is exceedingly deep so being where he is ain't that bad...IMHO.
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TDeath21 2/5/2012 1:11pm
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It's just his style. He had terrible starts the last two races. His style might mean he gets 4th instead of 3rd or 2nd, but let's put that in perspective now... That's 4 points he's losing. However, by playing it cautious around riders slower than him, he'll only lose 4 instead of getting caught up with Millsaps like Villopoto, or landing on Thomas like Stewart. Sure Villopoto had a spectacular ride to get 3rd in Phoenix, but at the end of the day all that matters is results. He'll take the wins as they come and settle for 4th when he gets a terrible start. This worked quite well last year and he only had 1 win, and he didn't get that until deep into the series. Yes he lost the title, but I can promise you that when he gets a good start he'll be right in the mix.
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karnivool 2/5/2012 1:22pm
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Feldspar wrote:
I am a Dungey fan but I have to admit it is frustrating watching him. I think the only way he will win more SX races...
I am a Dungey fan but I have to admit it is frustrating watching him. I think the only way he will win more SX races is if he holeshots and RV, Stew, and Reed are back pretty far. The last 2 SX wins he has, that was the case. If he doesn't holeshot, his chances of winning are slim. I don't see him beating any of those guys straight up.

Watching A2 Dungey was behind Brayton for half the race and couldn't make a pass. Then you look at RV who treats the first lap like it is the last and gets by Reed in no time. Dungey settles in too much during the first couple laps. By doing that he has no chance to catch the top guys. Early in the race he was right behind Stewart. At the end of the race, he was 10 seconds behind him and 2 positions back.

I don't think he is going to suddenly change. I guess I will have to get used to him getting podiums but not wins. At least in SX, outdoors he will get some wins.
TbonesPop wrote:
He's a very smart racer. This year and likely for the foreseeable future it's all about "points and podiums". That will likely change when it comes...
He's a very smart racer. This year and likely for the foreseeable future it's all about "points and podiums". That will likely change when it comes down to the last 4-5 races of the season when it comes time to start taking some chances. But why push too hard now when you know you can run your normal race and always be in the top 4 and usually in the top 3 (when someone else has a bad night)? Just gotta be there in the points race when it comes down to at least Daytona and on - if not later as in the last 4-5 races.
if he is all about 'points and podioms' he didn't get either last night...

did he?
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zippy895 2/5/2012 2:51pm
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dungey still produces his best racing from lap 10 thru 20 in the mains. last night was no different other than a poor start.
stewart and rv are stronger starters .they are 9 times out of 10 faster than dungey in the early laps.
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7I3N 2/5/2012 2:59pm
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They said during the broadcast that Dungey was making some suspension changes before the main. I think they went the wrong way, because he looked better in his heat.

Don’t forget, the bike he’s riding didn’t exist a few months ago, so they don’t have a deep set up database to fall back on. They’re still developing the bike to a certain extent.
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Cigaro 2/5/2012 3:27pm
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2-4th Place finishes in a row 5 points down with 12 races left. His season is done. Stick a fork in him.. Pinch Whistling

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scooterB 2/5/2012 3:30pm
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coulda sworn i just saw him with a red plate.....??
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zippy895 wrote:
dungey still produces his best racing from lap 10 thru 20 in the mains. last night was no different other than a poor start. stewart and...
dungey still produces his best racing from lap 10 thru 20 in the mains. last night was no different other than a poor start.
stewart and rv are stronger starters .they are 9 times out of 10 faster than dungey in the early laps.
If you look at the individual lap times from A2 laps 10-20, RV bested RD in every lap except one: lap 12. I'm not sure what you mean. RV is not only a strong starter but also a strong finisher.

Here are the lap times for each rider:

http://results.amasupercross.com/data/2012/05/sxm1ind.pdf
TbonesPop 2/5/2012 5:11pm
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karnivool wrote:
if he is all about 'points and podioms' he didn't get either last night...

did he?
Points? Yes. Podium? No. The guy is a smart racer and has the best team manager in the business. I don't know anything for sure (I don't know any of them personally), but based on what all of the riders are doing, I'd say Dungey and Co's goal is to manage the series as best possible until near the end then and take what is given to them eliminating/minimizing unforced errors. If Dungey rides his races with the occasional holeshot and pushes it when he has the lead (ala Phoenix) and the rest of the time takes advantages of the others when they make mistakes, then he will be right there until the very end. A lot can happen in a 17 race series. The likelihood that Stewart crashes on multiple occasions this year is pretty high. RV has had some issues too where he had to work his ass off to get back to the top 4 by the end of the mains. Dungey's M.O. is consistency. He's shown that as when he gets the start, he can hang it out and win a main.

Again, why hang it out on the absolute edge at this point unless the win is there for the taking? There's a lot more to lose than there is to gain. But come Daytona and beyond, expect a different strategy. JMHO.
Blackopsrider7 2/5/2012 6:47pm
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Dungey is not off pace, he can run Reed's pace and a bit more, he doesn't have the outright raw speed of RV and JS, but one only needs that in spurts and I believe he does what he needs. One thing though, he could be a bit more forceful, that should help him!! He is a bit too nice!!
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easton 2/5/2012 7:02pm
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three9zero wrote:
Nothing wrong with being the 4 fastest rider in the world........
4th fastest only because others have had bad luck. Others have made bad choices in life, and others have gotten killed along the way.
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gotwings 2/5/2012 7:09pm
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Seems like he was a LOT faster on the Suzy.
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Cigaro 2/5/2012 7:14pm
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three9zero wrote:
Nothing wrong with being the 4 fastest rider in the world........
easton wrote:
4th fastest only because others have had bad luck. Others have made bad choices in life, and others have gotten killed along the way.
Sounds like a best selling drama..
Charles Bronson 2/5/2012 7:22pm
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easton wrote:
4th fastest only because others have had bad luck. Others have made bad choices in life, and others have gotten killed along the way.
and a swan flew over the English channel. The little boy sat on the chair.
wired4speed 2/5/2012 8:07pm
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Dungey just has to start nailing down his starts.
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gsxrcr28 2/5/2012 8:12pm
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wired4speed wrote:
Dungey just has to start nailing down his starts.
Yep!

He will be fine, I think he is already doing better than some people thought he would on the new bike.
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WhoopDeeDoo 2/5/2012 10:53pm
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Dungey's has an abundance of natural talent: both speed and stamina, but he lacks the aggression of an RV or Stewart. For the short sprint of a supercross race, that doesn't help him.

I think in the outdoors he is always a be a bigger threat, where the length of the racer works to his advantage.

It's amazing to me how well he does without a trainer. If he ever signed on with RV's trainer, I think the rest of the pack should get very worried.

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