Bummer for the WMX racers

MeanGreen
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1/13/2012 1:02pm
'Yawn' - 98% of the people at a national, while the women are racing.
1/13/2012 1:07pm
DC wrote:
No, it won't be part of the same TV shows and won't take any time away from 450 and 250 shows. And Braaap, you've mentioned this...
No, it won't be part of the same TV shows and won't take any time away from 450 and 250 shows.

And Braaap, you've mentioned this a few times, so I will say this: give me a week, that number is about to expand exponentially.

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I know you are working on expanding the coverage, that's why I said "as it stands now."

Thanks and looking forward to a great upcoming season.
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1/13/2012 1:09pm
One big reason for LCQ's is to allow more lines to develop before 1st moto's.
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1/13/2012 1:11pm
Same guys will qualify if they "race" in or "timed practice" in. Same 40 guys.

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1/13/2012 1:15pm
Tom, meant to add that too, it's something we talked with the teams above at Unadilla last year when we had a late-series meeting to discuss 2012.

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1/13/2012 1:27pm
anyone who 'hates' wmx just because it isn't as exciting doesn't have a daughter that he hopes will learn to love this sport...

i don't have a daughter, but i imagine it would be pretty cool to be able to take her to races and show her the likes of Ashley Fiolek and others...
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1/13/2012 1:43pm
If they are all in the show, the second practice could be their first moto..problem solved?
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karnivool wrote:
anyone who 'hates' wmx just because it isn't as exciting doesn't have a daughter that he hopes will learn to love this sport... i don't have...
anyone who 'hates' wmx just because it isn't as exciting doesn't have a daughter that he hopes will learn to love this sport...

i don't have a daughter, but i imagine it would be pretty cool to be able to take her to races and show her the likes of Ashley Fiolek and others...
They still race at the AM nationals.
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1/13/2012 1:53pm
Easy solution: WMX race in bikinis, and it'll be the guy's pro classes who'll be struggling to survive...lol.
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1/13/2012 2:05pm
jtomasik wrote:
Easy solution: WMX race in bikinis, and it'll be the guy's pro classes who'll be struggling to survive...lol.
You might wanna rethink that one. Blink
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1/13/2012 2:07pm
I opened this topic. Can I close it now?
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1/13/2012 2:14pm
Sherwood wrote:
They're lucky to even be a part of the show. This is a move in the right direction by AMA and MX Sports.
Yep, Hopefully it's gone next year.
JCRF217 wrote:
Ya I'm thinking the same thing. It's not very interesting to watch.
I have to agree, I don't really get the excitement at all, and how that brain is wired that figures less speed and skills, but equal entertainment? Sure, if you have some connections, but that's kind of kills the argument doesn't it?

This project should have paid off by now? How many female buyers did Honda create out of this experiment? 10 bikes?
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it's sad to see alot of hate for the WMX .. these girls raced last year when the track was at it's worst and still gave their all . I really feel that the WMX is going backwards and alot of the girls are pissed and feel they have zero support . It's hard enough to get sponsorship from companies and dealers . If there is any TV time I am sure they will only focus on AF / JP / TG and won't even bother showing the battles . I know of a few girls who are throwing in the towel and will be racing WORCS .. My rider will be doing Hangtown and Lake Elsinore and the majority of the Worcs series .. we need to get some bang for our buck and sad to say racing the 1 moto WMX series in it's entire form isn't it .
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1/13/2012 6:24pm
burrito913 wrote:
it's sad to see alot of hate for the WMX .. these girls raced last year when the track was at it's worst and still gave...
it's sad to see alot of hate for the WMX .. these girls raced last year when the track was at it's worst and still gave their all . I really feel that the WMX is going backwards and alot of the girls are pissed and feel they have zero support . It's hard enough to get sponsorship from companies and dealers . If there is any TV time I am sure they will only focus on AF / JP / TG and won't even bother showing the battles . I know of a few girls who are throwing in the towel and will be racing WORCS .. My rider will be doing Hangtown and Lake Elsinore and the majority of the Worcs series .. we need to get some bang for our buck and sad to say racing the 1 moto WMX series in it's entire form isn't it .
there's no hate...wmx is just not interesting to most fans...period, end of conversation, stop it already. The ladies would smoke me, fine...nobody is questioning their heart, talent or desire. It's not my fault, or the vast majority of fans, that the racing really isn't that great. Battles? You can watch battles for last place in the novice class, doesn't mean I want to watch em...sorry dude...
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1/13/2012 6:30pm
Sherwood wrote:
They're lucky to even be a part of the show. This is a move in the right direction by AMA and MX Sports.
Yep, Hopefully it's gone next year.
JCRF217 wrote:
Ya I'm thinking the same thing. It's not very interesting to watch.
You stupid asses couldn't even keep up with them on the track and here you are talking shit. Would be much better to see douches like yourself go.
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1/13/2012 6:32pm
mag23 wrote:
there's no hate...wmx is just not interesting to most fans...period, end of conversation, stop it already. The ladies would smoke me, fine...nobody is questioning their heart...
there's no hate...wmx is just not interesting to most fans...period, end of conversation, stop it already. The ladies would smoke me, fine...nobody is questioning their heart, talent or desire. It's not my fault, or the vast majority of fans, that the racing really isn't that great. Battles? You can watch battles for last place in the novice class, doesn't mean I want to watch em...sorry dude...
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1/13/2012 6:38pm
Well, when only three girls haul all their stuff 3000 miles to get their 15 minutes of fame they'll cancel the series due to lack of interest and Honda can bring back the 150 Cup. Because we all know the 150 fooper is where the interest is.....LMAO. Honda having to pay to get that piece of crap in front of people. Who's pockets at the AMA got padded to get it included with the 85's?

As much of an old school Honda fan as I am, they've really screwed the pooch with me on anything current whether auto or moto related. I would say equipmentwise too, but that GX390 on my generators and pressure washer is keeping them hanging on by a thread. That's the perfect place for a thumper.


I respect the hell out of DC for everything he does and the manner in which he does it(t-shirt,jeans and emptying garbage cans when he sees they are full), but it doesn't mean I have to like the current state of a few things moto related. When the 125 class comes around on the national scene, things will be looking up.Smile
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1/13/2012 6:41pm
I see this as a shift for progress. I like the idea. More FOCUSED attention on TV for the WMX is a good thing. We're in a world of short-attention spans now with social media and the internet, overall. I think it would make it exciting as a 1-moto showdown than a 2-moto yawner (no offense). The crowd rapidly disappears by the end of the day anyway. Having it on Friday is just even worse. I think its a good decision in the right direction. Sometimes, you got to take a step back to take a step forward.
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1/13/2012 6:41pm
Oh, and

6 rounds WMA
6 rounds 125cc Outdoor National Championship for starters.
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1/13/2012 6:41pm
burrito913 wrote:
it's sad to see alot of hate for the WMX .. these girls raced last year when the track was at it's worst and still gave...
it's sad to see alot of hate for the WMX .. these girls raced last year when the track was at it's worst and still gave their all . I really feel that the WMX is going backwards and alot of the girls are pissed and feel they have zero support . It's hard enough to get sponsorship from companies and dealers . If there is any TV time I am sure they will only focus on AF / JP / TG and won't even bother showing the battles . I know of a few girls who are throwing in the towel and will be racing WORCS .. My rider will be doing Hangtown and Lake Elsinore and the majority of the Worcs series .. we need to get some bang for our buck and sad to say racing the 1 moto WMX series in it's entire form isn't it .
mag23 wrote:
there's no hate...wmx is just not interesting to most fans...period, end of conversation, stop it already. The ladies would smoke me, fine...nobody is questioning their heart...
there's no hate...wmx is just not interesting to most fans...period, end of conversation, stop it already. The ladies would smoke me, fine...nobody is questioning their heart, talent or desire. It's not my fault, or the vast majority of fans, that the racing really isn't that great. Battles? You can watch battles for last place in the novice class, doesn't mean I want to watch em...sorry dude...
Agreed. Call me a prick, but I agree 110%. Do I love that woman want to race moto. Hell yea, but as short as the day is, and there's only a few who go really well......keep them on am day.
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Does anyone remember the sound of thunder series? How about the sound of screamers series????? As much as I enjoy watching women race I'd rather see 40 125's on the gate. The women can still race their 250f's with the 125's if they qualify for the main.
1/13/2012 9:59pm
newmann wrote:
Oh, and

6 rounds WMA
6 rounds 125cc Outdoor National Championship for starters.
Thats still six rounds too many for the WMX.
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1/13/2012 10:05pm
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Women's racing is some of the best racing that you will see.


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I see this as a shift for progress. I like the idea. More FOCUSED attention on TV for the WMX is a good thing. We're in...
I see this as a shift for progress. I like the idea. More FOCUSED attention on TV for the WMX is a good thing. We're in a world of short-attention spans now with social media and the internet, overall. I think it would make it exciting as a 1-moto showdown than a 2-moto yawner (no offense). The crowd rapidly disappears by the end of the day anyway. Having it on Friday is just even worse. I think its a good decision in the right direction. Sometimes, you got to take a step back to take a step forward.
So what I get from this is that there is simply no point in running a race if no one is there to watch it......... what happened to you know, racing? This all seem far to obsessed with TV/crowd/sponsors time and all at the expense of the actual racing. This is a championship yea? Not an elaborate advertising set up?

The guys will run more than the entire WMX series in the first two rounds, I'd find it hard to be motivated.
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1/14/2012 6:02am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2012 6:38am
While MX Sports may be trying to 'fit' it all into one day, this will effectively eliminate most WMX privateers from participating in the series aside from local events, and crush the dreams of upcoming Amateur women.

If the WMX was hyped or promoted even half as much as the men, it would lead to more public interest; if the compensation to the women were even half as much as the Men, it just might make things more competitive. For a privateer to spend over $15,000 per season in just travel expenses, to simply get to the national events for one 20 minute shootout = discouraging.

Entry Fees, Licensing fees, etc are not discounted for the women to participate in a National event; which now gets them 1/2 the seat-time; they ride the same track, after the men, and are then left to self-promote, or rely on their sponsors for representation/publicity.
Many of these women work fulltime just to be able to afford to participate in this program, training in-between, every bit as hard as the men to prepare for a race, doing so with full knowledge that the inequality of compensation alone is beyond measure.

Television time is great, but I'd like to know if they'll be on the same network as the Men, and will the WMX Motos be broadcast in the same timeline, or as a lookback at the season? Reducing to a 1 Moto format eliminates the opportunity for the athletes to compete effectively. And it's not Motocross.
Does a seeded gate pick mean just a one practice format?

To deny anyone who has attained this level of athleticism equal seat-time, recognition & promotion they deserve and were promised, is just wrong.
If the MX Sports promotion of the Pro Women in Motocross is not aggressively marketed, it negates the years of hard work that Mike Keller and thousands of female athletes across the country put in to give validity to the Women’s position in this sport. Countless Amateur Women MX’ers across the country may come to the realization that their dream of a career in the sport is ultimately viewed as a hobby by the Organization. Without the support of MXSports, and follow-through, the advancement and recognition due this group of dedicated female athletes is setback light-years.

When the WMX was sold to MX Sports in 2009, Davey Coombs stated that “We are finally in a position to provide the Women racers the treatment they have earned in the series . On the Marketing side, the Women’s Class will be included in the MX Sports television package and will be featured in the live webcast at each round where they compete.”

Honda Red Bull, DNA Shred Stix, and KTM and others, have finally recognized the value of adding Pro Women to their teams; MX Sports has the power to continue the momentum, by promoting the Womens Program in the best possible light, which would enhance the sponsorship opportunities for all of the women, increasing public awareness & interest. They deserve some hype.

They are so dedicated, hardworking, and live and breathe simply for the chance to ride. We are inspired by their talent, commitment and perseverance, and are touched by the struggles they face just to get to a race.

MX Sports – In your own words, you are in a position to provide the Women racers the treatment they have earned in the series...

Please do it.
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1/14/2012 7:18am
kimcyr1011 wrote:
While MX Sports may be trying to 'fit' it all into one day, this will effectively eliminate most WMX privateers from participating in the series aside...
While MX Sports may be trying to 'fit' it all into one day, this will effectively eliminate most WMX privateers from participating in the series aside from local events, and crush the dreams of upcoming Amateur women.

If the WMX was hyped or promoted even half as much as the men, it would lead to more public interest; if the compensation to the women were even half as much as the Men, it just might make things more competitive. For a privateer to spend over $15,000 per season in just travel expenses, to simply get to the national events for one 20 minute shootout = discouraging.

Entry Fees, Licensing fees, etc are not discounted for the women to participate in a National event; which now gets them 1/2 the seat-time; they ride the same track, after the men, and are then left to self-promote, or rely on their sponsors for representation/publicity.
Many of these women work fulltime just to be able to afford to participate in this program, training in-between, every bit as hard as the men to prepare for a race, doing so with full knowledge that the inequality of compensation alone is beyond measure.

Television time is great, but I'd like to know if they'll be on the same network as the Men, and will the WMX Motos be broadcast in the same timeline, or as a lookback at the season? Reducing to a 1 Moto format eliminates the opportunity for the athletes to compete effectively. And it's not Motocross.
Does a seeded gate pick mean just a one practice format?

To deny anyone who has attained this level of athleticism equal seat-time, recognition & promotion they deserve and were promised, is just wrong.
If the MX Sports promotion of the Pro Women in Motocross is not aggressively marketed, it negates the years of hard work that Mike Keller and thousands of female athletes across the country put in to give validity to the Women’s position in this sport. Countless Amateur Women MX’ers across the country may come to the realization that their dream of a career in the sport is ultimately viewed as a hobby by the Organization. Without the support of MXSports, and follow-through, the advancement and recognition due this group of dedicated female athletes is setback light-years.

When the WMX was sold to MX Sports in 2009, Davey Coombs stated that “We are finally in a position to provide the Women racers the treatment they have earned in the series . On the Marketing side, the Women’s Class will be included in the MX Sports television package and will be featured in the live webcast at each round where they compete.”

Honda Red Bull, DNA Shred Stix, and KTM and others, have finally recognized the value of adding Pro Women to their teams; MX Sports has the power to continue the momentum, by promoting the Womens Program in the best possible light, which would enhance the sponsorship opportunities for all of the women, increasing public awareness & interest. They deserve some hype.

They are so dedicated, hardworking, and live and breathe simply for the chance to ride. We are inspired by their talent, commitment and perseverance, and are touched by the struggles they face just to get to a race.

MX Sports – In your own words, you are in a position to provide the Women racers the treatment they have earned in the series...

Please do it.
Maybe you should have an occupy Washougle. After all, you worked hard to chase YOUR dream and no one wants to buy it. It just isn't fair. Of course, anyone who does not buy into this is a woman hater. It doesn't matter that they aren't fun to watch (unless it is your friend or relative).

Lets be candid here. There is no doubt that the ladies work hard to achieve their goals, but forcing this on the buying public under the guise of political correctness and an entitlement mentality just causes resentment.
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1/14/2012 7:36am
kimcyr1011 wrote:
While MX Sports may be trying to 'fit' it all into one day, this will effectively eliminate most WMX privateers from participating in the series aside...
While MX Sports may be trying to 'fit' it all into one day, this will effectively eliminate most WMX privateers from participating in the series aside from local events, and crush the dreams of upcoming Amateur women.

If the WMX was hyped or promoted even half as much as the men, it would lead to more public interest; if the compensation to the women were even half as much as the Men, it just might make things more competitive. For a privateer to spend over $15,000 per season in just travel expenses, to simply get to the national events for one 20 minute shootout = discouraging.

Entry Fees, Licensing fees, etc are not discounted for the women to participate in a National event; which now gets them 1/2 the seat-time; they ride the same track, after the men, and are then left to self-promote, or rely on their sponsors for representation/publicity.
Many of these women work fulltime just to be able to afford to participate in this program, training in-between, every bit as hard as the men to prepare for a race, doing so with full knowledge that the inequality of compensation alone is beyond measure.

Television time is great, but I'd like to know if they'll be on the same network as the Men, and will the WMX Motos be broadcast in the same timeline, or as a lookback at the season? Reducing to a 1 Moto format eliminates the opportunity for the athletes to compete effectively. And it's not Motocross.
Does a seeded gate pick mean just a one practice format?

To deny anyone who has attained this level of athleticism equal seat-time, recognition & promotion they deserve and were promised, is just wrong.
If the MX Sports promotion of the Pro Women in Motocross is not aggressively marketed, it negates the years of hard work that Mike Keller and thousands of female athletes across the country put in to give validity to the Women’s position in this sport. Countless Amateur Women MX’ers across the country may come to the realization that their dream of a career in the sport is ultimately viewed as a hobby by the Organization. Without the support of MXSports, and follow-through, the advancement and recognition due this group of dedicated female athletes is setback light-years.

When the WMX was sold to MX Sports in 2009, Davey Coombs stated that “We are finally in a position to provide the Women racers the treatment they have earned in the series . On the Marketing side, the Women’s Class will be included in the MX Sports television package and will be featured in the live webcast at each round where they compete.”

Honda Red Bull, DNA Shred Stix, and KTM and others, have finally recognized the value of adding Pro Women to their teams; MX Sports has the power to continue the momentum, by promoting the Womens Program in the best possible light, which would enhance the sponsorship opportunities for all of the women, increasing public awareness & interest. They deserve some hype.

They are so dedicated, hardworking, and live and breathe simply for the chance to ride. We are inspired by their talent, commitment and perseverance, and are touched by the struggles they face just to get to a race.

MX Sports – In your own words, you are in a position to provide the Women racers the treatment they have earned in the series...

Please do it.
Welcome to the real world.

No amount of promotion and hype is going to help make womens motocross a marquee sport. And for the record your complaints about having to work two jobs, training in between, doing your own promotion.... Basically sounds like you're whining and bitching that you have to do the same thing that 99.9% of people who call themselves "Pro" have to do.
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It's funny how there seems to be plenty of room for women in other sports around the world (track and field sports being one of the more stand-out ones on the subject of course) but in our tiny little inbread sport a lot of people appear almost thrilled about the thought of the women disapearing from the lights. I suppose most men involved in this sport only see women as a potential pair of juggs in the pits... Are they not such they might aswell GTFO, right?

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1/14/2012 8:31am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2012 8:34am
hoppsan wrote:
It's funny how there seems to be plenty of room for women in other sports around the world (track and field sports being one of the...
It's funny how there seems to be plenty of room for women in other sports around the world (track and field sports being one of the more stand-out ones on the subject of course) but in our tiny little inbread sport a lot of people appear almost thrilled about the thought of the women disapearing from the lights. I suppose most men involved in this sport only see women as a potential pair of juggs in the pits... Are they not such they might aswell GTFO, right?

Medieval
Again, rather than address the issue that the women have not earned the stage with the best in the world, lets tell us our minds are wrong for not seeing the emporer's clothes.

The reality is there is very little room in this sport. If there was no wmx, the women woudn't be denied an opportunity. The creation of wmx is a special separate opportunity which isolates the men from the women. Ashley is certainly permitted to race in the 250 and 450 classes (note, not the men's 250 or men's 450) and, if she ran in the top 25, she would be more popular.

Where did this entitlement mentality come from?
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mxjoe99 wrote:
Does anyone remember the sound of thunder series? How about the sound of screamers series????? As much as I enjoy watching women race I'd rather see...
Does anyone remember the sound of thunder series? How about the sound of screamers series????? As much as I enjoy watching women race I'd rather see 40 125's on the gate. The women can still race their 250f's with the 125's if they qualify for the main.
Joe, I think your onto something with the 125's and women's class being combined.

IMO, one major problem with the WMX is that the level of competition is awful and it's sad for the front runners. There's maybe 10 girls, again IMO, that should be considered a "Pro". These 10+ are the one's that are actually putting in the work required to be a pro.

The others, well as much as they say they want to be pro, don't put in the work needed and are in it for the "cool" factor. In the Northeast there are at least 4-5 girls that should NOT be out on the track with AF, JP$, TG and others, this is no ones fault other than the local race promoters/organizations and MX Sports. These 4-5 girls didn't earn the points to get into the B class, which is my understanding the requirement for your WMX Pro license. The promoters/parents and girls themselves bumped themselves up to race in the WMX. This shouldn't be allowed and has hurt the level of competition. Without a reason to get better, the competition will never grow.

Combining 125 youth A riders with the WMX would do wondering for everyone. The WMX would still have a series, the youth riders would gain experience riding at a higher level and the competition would go through the roof.

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