Chickenshit cops kill a man holding a pipe.

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burn1986 wrote:
The Chief of Police should have been fired, what a complete idiot! Not entirely related, but good: While I lived in Texas, a deer hunter out...
The Chief of Police should have been fired, what a complete idiot!

Not entirely related, but good: While I lived in Texas, a deer hunter out in West Texas was in a deer blind looking through the scope of his rifle and saw a DPS officer pull over a car. The DPS officer approached the vehcile and the offender shot the DPS officer killing him. The deer hunter immediately shot the offender, killing him. The deer hunter called the police and he was not charged.
He basically was, thats why I put (ex), but they let him retire. Now my brother is the chief. Friends in low places.

Pipe instead of a gun. What a moran!!!!!!! Give me a pipe and see if I can kill you with it.

What's more deadly from 0-21 feet? Knife (pipe) or a gun.

By statitics 98% of all shooters will miss their target from 7 meters under stress. Knife will stab/cut you 100% of the time.
By averages, I can stab you with a knife (pipe) before you can pull a gun and shoot me within 21 feet (7 meters).
By statistics, trained police still have a 90% miss rate at 7 meters under stress. Knife still is at 100%.

The only thing I miss is how someone as clueless as yourself is allowed to copulate and vote. Once again posting without knowing the slightest of what you are talking about.
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1/11/2012 2:47pm
burn1986 wrote:
The Chief of Police should have been fired, what a complete idiot! Not entirely related, but good: While I lived in Texas, a deer hunter out...
The Chief of Police should have been fired, what a complete idiot!

Not entirely related, but good: While I lived in Texas, a deer hunter out in West Texas was in a deer blind looking through the scope of his rifle and saw a DPS officer pull over a car. The DPS officer approached the vehcile and the offender shot the DPS officer killing him. The deer hunter immediately shot the offender, killing him. The deer hunter called the police and he was not charged.
MotoX85 wrote:
He basically was, thats why I put (ex), but they let him retire. Now my brother is the chief. Friends in low places. Pipe instead of...
He basically was, thats why I put (ex), but they let him retire. Now my brother is the chief. Friends in low places.

Pipe instead of a gun. What a moran!!!!!!! Give me a pipe and see if I can kill you with it.

What's more deadly from 0-21 feet? Knife (pipe) or a gun.

By statitics 98% of all shooters will miss their target from 7 meters under stress. Knife will stab/cut you 100% of the time.
By averages, I can stab you with a knife (pipe) before you can pull a gun and shoot me within 21 feet (7 meters).
By statistics, trained police still have a 90% miss rate at 7 meters under stress. Knife still is at 100%.

The only thing I miss is how someone as clueless as yourself is allowed to copulate and vote. Once again posting without knowing the slightest of what you are talking about.
x2, if your not in law enforcement,east to talk shit while watching the news!
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1/11/2012 2:48pm
burn1986 wrote:
The Chief of Police should have been fired, what a complete idiot! Not entirely related, but good: While I lived in Texas, a deer hunter out...
The Chief of Police should have been fired, what a complete idiot!

Not entirely related, but good: While I lived in Texas, a deer hunter out in West Texas was in a deer blind looking through the scope of his rifle and saw a DPS officer pull over a car. The DPS officer approached the vehcile and the offender shot the DPS officer killing him. The deer hunter immediately shot the offender, killing him. The deer hunter called the police and he was not charged.
He could have been, but would have made people made.

If the cop would have asked for assistance (basically deputizing like in the old westerns) he would of been perfectly legal. Not possible in this situation, but I would not have charged him either, especially the way TX is.
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1/11/2012 2:56pm
I don't think we have enough information to determine whether or not this could of been handled differently. See if the investigation changes the story in some manner. Here another paper wrote the man threw the pipe at the officers. http://www.daybreakingnews.com/post/Authorities-say-the-police-from-the-Riverside-killed-the-man-wielding-the-big-pipe.aspx.

However, I do feel there seem to be many more instances where deadly force is used than ever before where the cops are cleared of any wrongdoing.

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1/11/2012 3:07pm
on a counterpoint, some of you may remember all the problems San Diego sheriff's department had back in the early '90s.

They put a bullet in a dudes head as he was standing in his driveway unarmed. I graduated high school with the guy, but hadn't seen him in the 6 or so years since. Odd coincidence, I was visiting my brother in SD that weekend. Saw a report on the news with a guy laying on the ground face first in a pool of blood next to the driver door of a small pickup.

After I get home I find out it was the guy I knew from high school.

Here's a related article:

Jeff Bray

It was a clear cut case of unjustified shooting.
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1/11/2012 3:10pm
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My son is a cop, my brother in law is a cop, and about ten of my friends are cops. This is what they are taught...
My son is a cop, my brother in law is a cop, and about ten of my friends are cops. This is what they are taught:

You shoot for the core mass which is the safest way to stop someone. (for the police AND bystanders) There is less chance of a miss or a through-shot hitting someone other than the suspect. The reason the want to stop the suspect is not just for the police's own safety, but also for anyone in the area should the suspect run away with his weapon. He could possibly injure someone, carjack a vehicle etc so he must be stopped.

No cop in the world would have acted differently in that situation. It was potentially a life or death situation. Do you expect a cop to lay down his life to save the live of a violent suspect?
motosmith wrote:
You missed the part of the article that said he was carrying a pipe. Not a gun, a pipe.
A pipe is a "weapon"
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1/11/2012 4:21pm
TerryK wrote:
My son is a cop, my brother in law is a cop, and about ten of my friends are cops. This is what they are taught...
My son is a cop, my brother in law is a cop, and about ten of my friends are cops. This is what they are taught:

You shoot for the core mass which is the safest way to stop someone. (for the police AND bystanders) There is less chance of a miss or a through-shot hitting someone other than the suspect. The reason the want to stop the suspect is not just for the police's own safety, but also for anyone in the area should the suspect run away with his weapon. He could possibly injure someone, carjack a vehicle etc so he must be stopped.

No cop in the world would have acted differently in that situation. It was potentially a life or death situation. Do you expect a cop to lay down his life to save the live of a violent suspect?
motosmith wrote:
You missed the part of the article that said he was carrying a pipe. Not a gun, a pipe.
Frogman wrote:
A pipe is a "weapon"
Think about it.
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1/11/2012 5:07pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2012 5:07pm
Here's one of Bellflower's finest in action. Bellflower is right next to Long Beach where they kill drunk gardeners.

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1/11/2012 5:27pm
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Here's one of Bellflower's finest in action. Bellflower is right next to Long Beach where they kill drunk gardeners.

That right there is just plain jacked up!

BUT, it doesn't change that you are completely wrong on the issue with the guy with the pipe, AND wrong to paint all police officers with one broad brush.
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1/11/2012 7:44pm
What do you suggest they should have done Borg?
borg wrote:
A slug or two in the leg would have brought him down. Why do they always have to kill? I think I know, and none of...
A slug or two in the leg would have brought him down. Why do they always have to kill? I think I know, and none of you fucking cop huggers would like it. What a bunch of Nazis!
I doubt those cops meant to kill. He died AT THE HOSPITAL. If they had meant to kill him, he would have died AT THE SCENE. You can actually die from being shot in the leg. I know, hard to believe.
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1/12/2012 5:51am Edited Date/Time 1/12/2012 7:18am
"The only thing I miss is how someone as clueless as yourself is allowed to copulate and vote. Once again posting without knowing the slightest of what you are talking about." Do you know something about this shooting that I don't?

First off, I was raised in West Texas, and everyone knew of this shooting. I may have gotten some of the facts askew (deer blind), but WTH MotoX85?!
http://www.odmp.org/officer/8242-patrolman-sammy-charles-long
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1/12/2012 6:03am Edited Date/Time 1/12/2012 6:10am
mxb2 wrote:
x2, if your not in law enforcement,east to talk shit while watching the news!
WTH mxb?!

The cheif should have been fired. Any moron, law enforcement or not could see that. The guy with the pipe should have been shot. How many Border Patrol agents have shot aliens throwing rocks? They had all three of the criteria for deadly force: Intent, Ability, and Means.
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1/12/2012 7:11am Edited Date/Time 1/12/2012 7:26am
mxb2 wrote:
x2, if your not in law enforcement,east to talk shit while watching the news!
burn1986 wrote:
WTH mxb?! The cheif should have been fired. Any moron, law enforcement or not could see that. The guy with the pipe should have been shot...
WTH mxb?!

The cheif should have been fired. Any moron, law enforcement or not could see that. The guy with the pipe should have been shot. How many Border Patrol agents have shot aliens throwing rocks? They had all three of the criteria for deadly force: Intent, Ability, and Means.
Not meant for you burn, just a general phrase, its easy to play armchair qb from the sidelines. Each scenario is different all results are different,bottom line no one can criticize an officer unless they were on scene. Tv,news, rumors are usually not facts.
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1/12/2012 7:14am
My bad, I was kind of taken aback by MotoX85 and kind of went on a rant.
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No worries burn, life is too short to get worked up on the internet,lol, braaap.
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Burn that sentence was meant for the post above yours (motosmith). I totally agree the hunter should have shot him. Sorry if I confused.
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Arrgghh. I'm a goof. My bad. Probably if I would read instead of spouting off, I would catch things like that. Thanks,
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No worries
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Damn,

Dude is at a rest stop and sees a trooper get shot, then shot with his own gun 6 times, so he grabs his deer rifle and kills the suspect from 150 yards.

GO to the newly discovered section of that site and it has bits about law enforcement deaths all the way back to the 1890's...

Several times in the 1920's and 1930's the suspect was taken by a mob and lynched. I wonder if it was only blacks that happened to.

One cop was killed when he was trying to help subdue a drunk and his fellow officer used his pistol to strike the suspect, and when he did the gun discharged, killing the other officer.

A lot of deaths busting stills, even before prohibition.

One of them near Murfeesboro, TN has a city police officer being shot and killed while arguing with a county deputy about who had the right to arrest a suspect.

Interesting history. Thanks for the link.
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1/12/2012 12:25pm
Rooster wrote:
Every time an instance like this happens and you all rally around the "The guy got what he deserved" position it just shows how cheaply you...
Every time an instance like this happens and you all rally around the "The guy got what he deserved" position it just shows how cheaply you value life. It makes you guys look like a third world country.

Now I'm not saying they shouldn't have shot him, or even that he didn't have it coming. They did try and taser him after all. However, the cheerleading going on is downright scary to anybody that has a healthy respect for their fellow man and life in general.

I would have been nicer to hear that they had wounded the man and he had been arrested than to hear that they shot a killed him. However I know that you guys who get off on guns love to hear about how they "saved" somebody. I'm sure if you spoke with the officer that killed him he wouldn't be as happy as you guys are about it. Even when justified, the act of taking another person's life wears heavy on the psyche. I've never known anybody that's shot and killed another person, but I've met a couple of people over the years who were involved in accident fatalities (not their fault) and even in those cases it's changed them for life.

Just look at returning war vets. They leave basic training pumping Let the Bodies Hit the Floor on their stereos and come back screwed up in the head. Not just because of what's been done to them, but also what they've done to others. Shit, it took my uncle 50 years to talk about WWII and he was a bomber pilot. He knew damn well the damage he was doing on the ground but never once had to look the victim in the eye.

I'm not here to argue the merits of anybody's actions based on a short newspaper report. Just to say tone down the cheerleading. It's ugly. Life should be valued a little more highly than that.
mxb2 wrote:
I guess it would have been better if the suspect hit the officer in the head, killed him or put him in a coma,dude get real...
I guess it would have been better if the suspect hit the officer in the head, killed him or put him in a coma,dude get real , explain that to the officers family members who have been killed in the line of duty. Healthy respect for mankind, how much did the suspect show to the police. Get out of your fantasy world.
Read my post again and tell me where I said they shouldn't have shot him. In fact I show more remorse for the officer who pulled the trigger than the suspect in that post.

I suspect you have problems with comprehension.

How you guys can say with any certainty that this instance was justified or not based on the minimal amount of information in that article shows you're just jumping on the bandwagon without the facts.

Rah rah, sis boom bah.
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It's "shish boom bah" geez, get it rite bro
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Yeah, it is a good site. I haven't looked into all of it, but it's a pretty good view of the crazy stuff that LEOs have to deal with on a daily basis.

Another good DPS trooper that was killed in my hometown was Troy M. Hogue. Pulled over a kid and his friends, the kid pulled out an old pistol and shot him in the head. Serving life in Huntsville.
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1/12/2012 12:50pm
If all I have to go on are these news stories?

Well, dead man brought that shit on himself.

Very sad; yet, not un-common.
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Any of you cop huggers going to answer my question? [i] Answer me this: If this guy was the cop's brother, do you think they would...
Any of you cop huggers going to answer my question?

Answer me this: If this guy was the cop's brother, do you think they would have emptied their guns in him? If he was a neighbor that the cop knew would they have summarily killed him? I want one of you Nazis to say " Yes. You must shoot to kill no matter who it is."
If you come at me with a pipe, I'll blow you away Bro...........then I'd laugh.
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borg wrote:
Any of you cop huggers going to answer my question? [i] Answer me this: If this guy was the cop's brother, do you think they would...
Any of you cop huggers going to answer my question?

Answer me this: If this guy was the cop's brother, do you think they would have emptied their guns in him? If he was a neighbor that the cop knew would they have summarily killed him? I want one of you Nazis to say " Yes. You must shoot to kill no matter who it is."
Lucifa. wrote:
If you come at me with a pipe, I'll blow you away Bro...........then I'd laugh.
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borg wrote:
Any of you cop huggers going to answer my question? [i] Answer me this: If this guy was the cop's brother, do you think they would...
Any of you cop huggers going to answer my question?

Answer me this: If this guy was the cop's brother, do you think they would have emptied their guns in him? If he was a neighbor that the cop knew would they have summarily killed him? I want one of you Nazis to say " Yes. You must shoot to kill no matter who it is."
Lucifa. wrote:
If you come at me with a pipe, I'll blow you away Bro...........then I'd laugh.
borg wrote:
Devo!
Fuck off.
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1/13/2012 6:13am Edited Date/Time 1/13/2012 8:08am
Cop huggers?

The one thing that separates the US from all these other nations is it's ability to police law and order. Try getting into a wreck in Honduras, and see if you get your vehicle fixed, or try and get the police to deal with a neighborhood drug lord in Mexico.

If you didn't have cops, you would be living like an animal.
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Lucifa. wrote:
If you come at me with a pipe, I'll blow you away Bro...........then I'd laugh.
borg wrote:
Devo!
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Fuck off.
Brilliant!
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Rooster wrote:
Every time an instance like this happens and you all rally around the "The guy got what he deserved" position it just shows how cheaply you...
Every time an instance like this happens and you all rally around the "The guy got what he deserved" position it just shows how cheaply you value life. It makes you guys look like a third world country.

Now I'm not saying they shouldn't have shot him, or even that he didn't have it coming. They did try and taser him after all. However, the cheerleading going on is downright scary to anybody that has a healthy respect for their fellow man and life in general.

I would have been nicer to hear that they had wounded the man and he had been arrested than to hear that they shot a killed him. However I know that you guys who get off on guns love to hear about how they "saved" somebody. I'm sure if you spoke with the officer that killed him he wouldn't be as happy as you guys are about it. Even when justified, the act of taking another person's life wears heavy on the psyche. I've never known anybody that's shot and killed another person, but I've met a couple of people over the years who were involved in accident fatalities (not their fault) and even in those cases it's changed them for life.

Just look at returning war vets. They leave basic training pumping Let the Bodies Hit the Floor on their stereos and come back screwed up in the head. Not just because of what's been done to them, but also what they've done to others. Shit, it took my uncle 50 years to talk about WWII and he was a bomber pilot. He knew damn well the damage he was doing on the ground but never once had to look the victim in the eye.

I'm not here to argue the merits of anybody's actions based on a short newspaper report. Just to say tone down the cheerleading. It's ugly. Life should be valued a little more highly than that.
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1/13/2012 11:32am
Cop stumbles across threatening pipe weilding dude upon entering a building
Cop to pipe wielding dude: "please don't attack me and wait here while I go get the net shooting device"

Or are you suggesting they all wear one of these devices on their belts?

Smile

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