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Here's my observations after reading MXA's latest 2 vs 4 thing (http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/TWOSTROKE-VERSUS-FOURSTROKE…):
1. This bike (250SX) needs to be included in the regular 250 shootout, since amateurs are the ones that these shootouts are geared towards. Then we'll have a truer understanding of it's capabilities, instead of pitting it against the 4 stroke version from the same company.
2. This bike needs to be pitted against the 350 instead of the 250s. It weighs less and produces more power. Of course, since the factories run MXA, I'm sure KTM wouldn't allow it to tarnish their pride and joy 350.
3. I can't believe that there is not one pro team that will sponsor a rider on this bike? It would have trouble outdoors, but indoors it would be a weapon. Plus, it would garner so much attention, that publicity would be incredible.
We know all the arguments as to why, but we also know there is a dark force preventing any team or person to campaign this bike in professional competition. Sad.
1. This bike (250SX) needs to be included in the regular 250 shootout, since amateurs are the ones that these shootouts are geared towards. Then we'll have a truer understanding of it's capabilities, instead of pitting it against the 4 stroke version from the same company.
2. This bike needs to be pitted against the 350 instead of the 250s. It weighs less and produces more power. Of course, since the factories run MXA, I'm sure KTM wouldn't allow it to tarnish their pride and joy 350.
3. I can't believe that there is not one pro team that will sponsor a rider on this bike? It would have trouble outdoors, but indoors it would be a weapon. Plus, it would garner so much attention, that publicity would be incredible.
We know all the arguments as to why, but we also know there is a dark force preventing any team or person to campaign this bike in professional competition. Sad.
I say only Real Pro caliber riders riding real moto + 2 lap style test sessions.
What the Magazines do today does not work. I say let real world numbers (total times for the moto) tell the story not rider bias.
It is odd how they continue to test based off of pro racing rules yet they continue to say their opinions will not be swayed. How many pros buy bikes compared to amateurs and vets?
Edit: To actually acknowledge the original topic outside of the silly shootout stuff that always gets brought up.. what rider are you going to throw on a non-factory backed 250SX and think/hope/pray he can make mains against the current list of 450 riders? Look at some of the threads posted about the stacked field this year, there are 30 guys who are use to making mains weekly. At least 1/3 of that list will be watching from the stands every week. What outside super rider are you going to throw into that mix and actually produce results with?
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it is 25lbs lighter and makes more hp, yet sits in the same chassis, has the same forks, suspension,linkage, ect.
how is that a comparison? that is like comparing a KTM450 vs a KTM450 with a wet sock in the airbox and bag of cement under the seat. Don't laugh, it's true.
so what does that say for Foopers?
now, the 350. even heavier. and the 250sx STILL makes more HP.
I'm pretty sure that TM300MX, with the suspension set up and valved for American tracks would absolutely decimate the 450s.
but MX, being the broke ass sport that it is, is completely financially driven, and you will never ever hear the truth.
Fooper Troopers, you guys had a great run, and you really caused the two strokes to step up their game, and innovate in the fueling and power delivery department, but at this point you are just riding a wave of lemmings.
It's not hard to read between the lines and see why the magazines, and pro SX/MX, don't give the 2-strokes an even playing field. They can make all the excuses they want, the truth is pretty transparent.
Bottom line is who gives a shit? There are lots of excellent 2-stroke choices you can make and they're not likely going away any time soon. Yamaha, KTM, Husky, TM, go buy one, ride and be happy. Who gives a damn about the magazine shootouts. Mix up a batch of C12 and Maxima 927 and enjoy the smell, quit bitching about the 2-stroke "cause." Let the lemmings buy the shootout winning 250Fs and quietly enjoy knowing something most of them don't know.
Race teams are able to get significantly more horsepower out of these engines, coming close to factories. DV got 8 more horsepower out of the YZ250
Nobody's mentioning Kool-Aid here, just hate to see a good bike lose out. MXA is bought and paid for anyway, and should only be taken with a grain of salt.
Austin Howell...
2 Stroke Assassin.
We BOTH bring $1000.
I leave with $2000.
I'm jus' sayin'...
I don't even get surprised when a guy on a 2 stroke enters and runs at the front anymore. of course they do. they are on a lighter bike, that makes more HP, and has 246 less friction causing, power robbing parts inside the engine. I just nod in acknowledgement.
Just like when Roczen qualified 6th in a field full of 4 strokes on a 125, with no prep, in a race he didnt even have to race on a hilly track. of course he did. he was ona two stroke. and the 5 guys ahead of him were on bikes they rode ALL season, and were fighting for points.
Your so fixated on how light they are and cheap to maintain, but i'd bet money most of you would pull of the track after 2 laps on the KTM250SX, trust me I know...lol
Ride what you want to ride, but I will say this, if you tight asses keep buying old used clapped out 2003 CR250's, the manufacturers won't do shit about bringing 2-strokes back.
Now carry on..........
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And the manufacturers (well, the jap ones at least) wont do anything about bringing 2 strokes back again anyway!!! They make too much money on the parts/ repairs etc on the 4 strokes. People ARE buying new 2 strokes- ktm and tm sell alot of them, if suzuki or honda started making 2 strokes again they would sell- but cant see it happening in the near future!
Its a shame the class structure gives the 2 stroke riders such a big disadvantage- 125= 250f being the leas fair! In my opinion they should bring back the 125 class- its important to rider development. 3 classes- 125, 250 and open would be awesome!
I don't recall anywhere in the thread topic that MXA did a test on the KTM 250F and 250SX to determine which would be better for old fat guys. They did do an REM report and you can read that for some 2 vs 4 news if you want.
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