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Fearo 11/30/2011 4:23am
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Funny that u think js and rv and rd would get smoked by herlings.....js grew up in the sandbox....RC however is I believe the greatest sand...
Funny that u think js and rv and rd would get smoked by herlings.....js grew up in the sandbox....RC however is I believe the greatest sand rider of all time and undefeated at southwick....bring rc back for mxon...
I'm not saying they will get smoked, I'm only saying don't be surprised if it happens. I know your top 3 guys will be able to adapt to whatever track they ride on, but trust me, none of them has ever seen a track like Lommel.
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I'm not saying they will get smoked, I'm only saying don't be surprised if it happens. I know your top 3 guys will be able to...
I'm not saying they will get smoked, I'm only saying don't be surprised if it happens. I know your top 3 guys will be able to adapt to whatever track they ride on, but trust me, none of them has ever seen a track like Lommel.
yea they havent seen it but our top riders are the best in the world so dont be suprised if they win all the motos
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Fearo wrote:
I'm not saying they will get smoked, I'm only saying don't be surprised if it happens. I know your top 3 guys will be able to...
I'm not saying they will get smoked, I'm only saying don't be surprised if it happens. I know your top 3 guys will be able to adapt to whatever track they ride on, but trust me, none of them has ever seen a track like Lommel.
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yea they havent seen it but our top riders are the best in the world so dont be suprised if they win all the motos
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mccread 11/30/2011 6:20am
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Barcia is good in sand so he could go easily. Dungey would also be a good option.
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Barcia, Barcia, Barcia - for all 3 spots
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MXMattii 11/30/2011 6:53am
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If the Americans won't find a good 250 rider due the 23year rule then I predict that:

1) DC asks GL to delete that rule out of the MXDN rulebook and GL does it!
2) The Americans won't come because they say that the stupid rule stops them from sending there best team.
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burba437 11/30/2011 6:55am
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but america wont have troubles with find a great rider to send there if not barcia you do have baggot and i bet trey can step down and run the 250 if they need him too
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Not to start an e-fight 10 months before the event, but what DV is saying is definitely the way to go. Those 3 are just superstars...
Not to start an e-fight 10 months before the event, but what DV is saying is definitely the way to go. Those 3 are just superstars, they can ride in anything. A top 250 rider on the other hand may be great but he will not hold a candle against the Europeans who practically all live in Lommel.

I agree with Paul though. Don't be surprised if Herlings wins both of his motos by 30 seconds on a 350 Wink .
I would say we boycott and have our own MXDN over here.

Amazing how the FIM always picks a track in Europe that gives them the best home field advantage yet somehow we still win most of the time.

And Herlings will not win his moto's by 30 seconds no matter what he is on. There are plenty of other fast sand riders on both sides of the pond.
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jamma10 11/30/2011 7:08am
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Fearo wrote:
Not to start an e-fight 10 months before the event, but what DV is saying is definitely the way to go. Those 3 are just superstars...
Not to start an e-fight 10 months before the event, but what DV is saying is definitely the way to go. Those 3 are just superstars, they can ride in anything. A top 250 rider on the other hand may be great but he will not hold a candle against the Europeans who practically all live in Lommel.

I agree with Paul though. Don't be surprised if Herlings wins both of his motos by 30 seconds on a 350 Wink .
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I would say we boycott and have our own MXDN over here. Amazing how the FIM always picks a track in Europe that gives them the...
I would say we boycott and have our own MXDN over here.

Amazing how the FIM always picks a track in Europe that gives them the best home field advantage yet somehow we still win most of the time.

And Herlings will not win his moto's by 30 seconds no matter what he is on. There are plenty of other fast sand riders on both sides of the pond.
Amazing how the FIM always picks a track in Europe that gives them the best home field advantage yet somehow we still win most of the time.

Wtf are you on about? Three of the past 3 of the past 4 MXdN tracks in Europe were brand new, purposely built tracks. If anything they suited your guys more; Donington and Franciacorta were basically outdoor Supercross tracks and Matterly Basin is as close to an AMA outdoor track as you're likely to find in Europe.
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If the 2012 season goes according to the plan (RV, RD, JS being fast and healthy), the 250 rider for the USA will be again a...
If the 2012 season goes according to the plan (RV, RD, JS being fast and healthy), the 250 rider for the USA will be again a weak link... Would you think the AMA, Roger and Dungey would be ok to have RD5 ride a 250F in the deep sand of Lommel? He would be eligible because he won't be 23 yet by the time of the race...
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I'd say barcia/ canard/dungey for the 250f ride. Definitely wouldnt risk baggett- I think he would struggle at lommel. I'm expecting herlings to dominate both moto's...
I'd say barcia/ canard/dungey for the 250f ride. Definitely wouldnt risk baggett- I think he would struggle at lommel.

I'm expecting herlings to dominate both moto's but collectively the USA probably still have the best team, even at lommel! The interesting thing at lommel though, is even riders that are good there are more likely to crash/ make mistakes, so the chances of countries having bad moto's to count will be more than at any other track in the world (except maybe lierop)

I will be there at the trackside, i've not been to a des nations race since matterly in 06!!! Would not miss this one for the world!! We plan on going over there the week before for a few days riding in holland and belgium, then watch the des nations and back home!!! I think this ones going to be a classic!! Itll be a bit disappointing to not get to ride lommel this time, but we rode it 2 days in a row last time i was over (in september) so maybe wont miss it that much!! (its donkey work round there after a couple of days)

It would be amazing if anybody could get some inside info on where the americans were riding on the days leading up to the event? Like I said, we will be riding on the tracks around the belgian/ dutch border (eersel, reusel, hondaparc, lierop etc)

Do you think they will still take stewart DV? if he doesnt do the outdoors? I know he's a good sand rider, but surely it would make more sense to take canard, RV and dungey (assuming stewart isnt racing outdoors). If they did take him and he wasnt doing outdoors then I'd expect him to be fast- but he would struggle for fitness round there if he's not been doing outdoors!!

Do you think USA will even turn up?! they didnt go to lierop in 2004
2004 was the year RC Smoked Everts in the sand.
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neysbo 11/30/2011 7:14am
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[b]Amazing how the FIM always picks a track in Europe that gives them the best home field advantage yet somehow we still win most of the...
Amazing how the FIM always picks a track in Europe that gives them the best home field advantage yet somehow we still win most of the time.

Wtf are you on about? Three of the past 3 of the past 4 MXdN tracks in Europe were brand new, purposely built tracks. If anything they suited your guys more; Donington and Franciacorta were basically outdoor Supercross tracks and Matterly Basin is as close to an AMA outdoor track as you're likely to find in Europe.
That track in France this past September was set up and made to cater to the Euros.

The others they make them purpose bulit to suit the Euros better.

Next thing you know they will make us ride 2 strokes only or something crazy.

Either way , Herlings already won so it don't matter
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burba437 11/30/2011 7:19am
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i can already see herlings standing on the top step why should anyone even come hes gonna win by 30 seconds hhes just gonna win it easily give him the trophy!
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kongols 11/30/2011 7:22am
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burba437 wrote:
yea they havent seen it but our top riders are the best in the world so dont be suprised if they win all the motos
I think they`ll go 1-2-3 every moto.
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Jefro98 11/30/2011 7:23am
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320 wrote:
2004 was the year RC Smoked Everts in the sand.
No, it was not.
04 was Lierop where sadly Team USA didn't show up.

RC beat Everts at Zolder in 2003.
Not really a sandtrack like Lierop and Lommel tho.
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[b]Amazing how the FIM always picks a track in Europe that gives them the best home field advantage yet somehow we still win most of the...
Amazing how the FIM always picks a track in Europe that gives them the best home field advantage yet somehow we still win most of the time.

Wtf are you on about? Three of the past 3 of the past 4 MXdN tracks in Europe were brand new, purposely built tracks. If anything they suited your guys more; Donington and Franciacorta were basically outdoor Supercross tracks and Matterly Basin is as close to an AMA outdoor track as you're likely to find in Europe.
neysbo wrote:
That track in France this past September was set up and made to cater to the Euros. The others they make them purpose bulit to suit...
That track in France this past September was set up and made to cater to the Euros.

The others they make them purpose bulit to suit the Euros better.

Next thing you know they will make us ride 2 strokes only or something crazy.

Either way , Herlings already won so it don't matter
Matterly Basin - built specifically to host the 2006 GP in early summer and the MXdN in September. One of the primary intentions was that it would become a permanent location for the British GP that we desperately needed at the time.

Donington - built specifically for the 2008 GP and was only chosen to host the MXdN that year at the very last moment which was due to be held in Ireland.

Franciacorta - built specifically for the MXdN and I cant think of another GP track like it. Had never been ridden prior to the event.

Saint Jean d'Angely - A typical French hillside circuit which has only relatively recently returned to the GP calendar after a few years absence. How was it set up to favour the Europeans?

Surely the purpose of the MXdN is to visit a range of tracks/surfaces/locations? The whole point of Motocross is to test the riders in different conditions.
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burba437 11/30/2011 7:24am
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kongols wrote:
I think they`ll go 1-2-3 every moto.
they could it will be a good race here in like what 10 months just gotta wait till then
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ehr400 11/30/2011 7:26am
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Geography lesson for some of the Euros, Florida is 99.9% sand. Where do you think JS, RC, RV, live or styed at during their younger years? Hell TP199 use to spend his whole winters down there as a amatuer. I laugh at the fact that people think there is no sand anywhere else in the world except Lommel.

RC smoked Everts in 2003, on a 2 stroke in his backyard. Everts conceded RC is the fastest dude in the world on sand. JS and RC were pretty damn even in sand at southwick. Remember a certain De Ruever coming over in 2008 and getting embarassed by JS? What was it almost a minute?

Point is like others posted there are fast sand riders on both sides of the pond. Will Herlings do great? Absolutely, he is a good rider. But Barcia is animal in sand too. I guess we will see, if anything there will be good racing.

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burba437 wrote:
yea they havent seen it but our top riders are the best in the world so dont be suprised if they win all the motos
kongols wrote:
I think they`ll go 1-2-3 every moto.
Ummmm... have you ever watched the MXoN? There's no way for any country to finish a moto 1-2-3 considering there's 3 moto's with 2 of the 3 riders in each...
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Fearo 11/30/2011 8:25am
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How many times does this need to be said. Ask any rider that has ridden both American sand tracks and tracks like Lommel and Lierop, it is NOT the same. This year at Lommel, the lap times of the MX1 guys in the first moto were 10 seconds slower than the MX2 guys' first moto. Theoretically a 450 hot lap is about 5 seconds faster than a 250 hot lap so that's a 15 second drop in lap times in 35 minutes of racing on that track. There is nothing like Lommel in America, period. Why does that make some of you so mad?

In my opinion America is on a lot higher level than Europe when it comes to motocross in general, but MY GOD there is one thing where you guys do not have us handled, and that is sand tracks.
steedmills 11/30/2011 8:33am
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Fearo wrote:
How many times does this need to be said. Ask any rider that has ridden both American sand tracks and tracks like Lommel and Lierop, it...
How many times does this need to be said. Ask any rider that has ridden both American sand tracks and tracks like Lommel and Lierop, it is NOT the same. This year at Lommel, the lap times of the MX1 guys in the first moto were 10 seconds slower than the MX2 guys' first moto. Theoretically a 450 hot lap is about 5 seconds faster than a 250 hot lap so that's a 15 second drop in lap times in 35 minutes of racing on that track. There is nothing like Lommel in America, period. Why does that make some of you so mad?

In my opinion America is on a lot higher level than Europe when it comes to motocross in general, but MY GOD there is one thing where you guys do not have us handled, and that is sand tracks.
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No matter who is sent for our team, we will always be the favorites. There is always a high chance that someone else wins a moto here and there but at the end of the day, the 3 US riders are too strong. It will be the same story come Lommel....
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lucero10x 11/30/2011 8:38am
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It seems to me like the process used to pick the US riders in the past has worked out pretty well. Don't mess with it. As long as the top 2 450 guys and the top 250 guy are all healthy and willing to go, send em. Who gives a fuck what the track is. It's motocross, right? I am pretty sure the US will hold their own even if we don't go 1-2 in all motos.

I agree it will be a great opportunity for some spectacular sand riders to shine but putting together three motos with three riders is a different story.

There are always standouts who aren't Americans at the MXDN, however, most don't have their efforts etched on the Chamberlain, bitches. lol
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kongols 11/30/2011 8:40am
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burba437 wrote:
yea they havent seen it but our top riders are the best in the world so dont be suprised if they win all the motos
kongols wrote:
I think they`ll go 1-2-3 every moto.
layinbody31 wrote:
Ummmm... have you ever watched the MXoN? There's no way for any country to finish a moto 1-2-3 considering there's 3 moto's with 2 of the...
Ummmm... have you ever watched the MXoN? There's no way for any country to finish a moto 1-2-3 considering there's 3 moto's with 2 of the 3 riders in each...
So? Are you saying americans can`t go 1-2-3?
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lucero10x 11/30/2011 8:42am
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kongols wrote:
I think they`ll go 1-2-3 every moto.
layinbody31 wrote:
Ummmm... have you ever watched the MXoN? There's no way for any country to finish a moto 1-2-3 considering there's 3 moto's with 2 of the...
Ummmm... have you ever watched the MXoN? There's no way for any country to finish a moto 1-2-3 considering there's 3 moto's with 2 of the 3 riders in each...
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So? Are you saying americans can`t go 1-2-3?
Not unless PR can make the A main.
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kongols 11/30/2011 8:43am
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layinbody31 wrote:
Ummmm... have you ever watched the MXoN? There's no way for any country to finish a moto 1-2-3 considering there's 3 moto's with 2 of the...
Ummmm... have you ever watched the MXoN? There's no way for any country to finish a moto 1-2-3 considering there's 3 moto's with 2 of the 3 riders in each...
kongols wrote:
So? Are you saying americans can`t go 1-2-3?
lucero10x wrote:
Not unless PR can make the A main.
Let PR`s stay in PR section.
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GrapeApe 11/30/2011 8:47am
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Dobermann wrote:
mhà......why? RD5 is a strong rider on 450....KTM on the sand is the best bike....is crazy using the 250F...for me...:-) Next year Cairoli and Herlings win...
mhà......why?
RD5 is a strong rider on 450....KTM on the sand is the best bike....is crazy using the 250F...for me...:-)

Next year Cairoli and Herlings win the MXoN!
I have researched the internets extensively, and cannot find a country named Cairoli or Herlings. Where are these countries, and who will be riding for them?
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kardy 11/30/2011 8:49am
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Has anyone nominated The Real 338 yet for our MX2 guy? Seems like a good choice to me.
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Awhit167 11/30/2011 8:51am
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dv12.com wrote:
If the 2012 season goes according to the plan (RV, RD, JS being fast and healthy), the 250 rider for the USA will be again a...
If the 2012 season goes according to the plan (RV, RD, JS being fast and healthy), the 250 rider for the USA will be again a weak link... Would you think the AMA, Roger and Dungey would be ok to have RD5 ride a 250F in the deep sand of Lommel? He would be eligible because he won't be 23 yet by the time of the race...
2strokerider wrote:
I'd say barcia/ canard/dungey for the 250f ride. Definitely wouldnt risk baggett- I think he would struggle at lommel. I'm expecting herlings to dominate both moto's...
I'd say barcia/ canard/dungey for the 250f ride. Definitely wouldnt risk baggett- I think he would struggle at lommel.

I'm expecting herlings to dominate both moto's but collectively the USA probably still have the best team, even at lommel! The interesting thing at lommel though, is even riders that are good there are more likely to crash/ make mistakes, so the chances of countries having bad moto's to count will be more than at any other track in the world (except maybe lierop)

I will be there at the trackside, i've not been to a des nations race since matterly in 06!!! Would not miss this one for the world!! We plan on going over there the week before for a few days riding in holland and belgium, then watch the des nations and back home!!! I think this ones going to be a classic!! Itll be a bit disappointing to not get to ride lommel this time, but we rode it 2 days in a row last time i was over (in september) so maybe wont miss it that much!! (its donkey work round there after a couple of days)

It would be amazing if anybody could get some inside info on where the americans were riding on the days leading up to the event? Like I said, we will be riding on the tracks around the belgian/ dutch border (eersel, reusel, hondaparc, lierop etc)

Do you think they will still take stewart DV? if he doesnt do the outdoors? I know he's a good sand rider, but surely it would make more sense to take canard, RV and dungey (assuming stewart isnt racing outdoors). If they did take him and he wasnt doing outdoors then I'd expect him to be fast- but he would struggle for fitness round there if he's not been doing outdoors!!

Do you think USA will even turn up?! they didnt go to lierop in 2004
i agree but have barcia ride the 250f. and for sure not bagget seeing how he almost blew it for team usa this year

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