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Rupert X
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Look, I'm sure DC and MX Sports, ALLI, NBC SPORTS/ Versus and everyone involved wants more than anything to have as many outdoor National races LIVE - as possible and, as motocross fans, we want it , too. Though, truth is- It matters not as much to me what channel or what time they are on, as long as we have comprehensive and, fairly current , PROFESSIONAL coverage. We'd like to see complete moto's (all four) in a timely manner with lively banter from the announcers and a thorough dissection and analysis of the action at hand and, the behind the scenes mumbo-jumbo - in HD (dammit)...With today's DVR, TIVO, multiple channels etc., many of us don't watch the shcnizzle live, anyhow ... Most of us mx'ers are out doing our thang (yes, thang). I know, I know, it's all about the advertisers, the teams, getting common folks hooked on our product, too, but, the reality is - I'm not sure the " average American consumer" is ever going to buy into our filthy, dangerous product - as much as we would like them, too, anyway...but, where I'm going with this and, many of you, who've bravely and patiently listened to my boring rants over the years will testify, is that I feel and have been saying this for at least one decade, perhaps, two, is that SUPERCROSS is the avenue to provide revenue for our venue - in other words, if we could ever get the American public hooked on REGULAR, CONSISTENT, LIVE, WELL-EXECUTED, pretty much every -Saturday- night broadcasts on a fairly mainstream channel, we would, eventually, draw in a loyal fan-base made up of folks from other sports, motorsports and regular TV-viewers. How do we do that ? Arrange a schedule where it is easy for the viewers to get attached, make it into a well -executed ,concise 3 hour package of racing action, backed with story lines and intense rivalries and, provide solid, reliable and consistent entertainment. Most of us that have been following the sport for a while would have imagined that we would have had REGULAR, LIVE SATURDAY NIGHT SUPERCROSS ten years ago, but, sadly, we've had fragmented broadcasts on a variety of channels that has left us throwing our hands up in the air and rolling our eyes...In summation, my moto brothers and sisters, my argument is this, if we want motocross junkies, we must first get 'em hooked on the Supercross and, then, there's a great potential for the followers to track their favorite teams and athletes outdoors - as well. The floor is open, take of your shirts and wrestle.
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"take of your shirts and wrestle. "


naked midget wrestling?
Rupert X
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KAWboy14 wrote:
"take of your shirts and wrestle. "


naked midget wrestling?
Meant to say " OFF ". Oops.

* For those that have limited attention, my theory is that Consistent Saturday Night Supercross broadcasts are the

gateway drug, to draw in potential new "outdoor" motocross enthusiasts, TV watchers and advertisers.
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KAWboy14 wrote:
"take of your shirts and wrestle. "


naked midget wrestling?
Rupert X wrote:
Meant to say " OFF ". Oops. * For those that have limited attention, my theory is that Consistent Saturday Night Supercross broadcasts are the gateway...
Meant to say " OFF ". Oops.

* For those that have limited attention, my theory is that Consistent Saturday Night Supercross broadcasts are the

gateway drug, to draw in potential new "outdoor" motocross enthusiasts, TV watchers and advertisers.
does anyone get or understand the theory behind how the tv schedule has gone so far?
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I agree.

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What about international viewers? Like me, im From Dominican Republic and the Tv Packages here are diferent and dont have avery channel ( Versus ), so now it will be hard to see the series from my point of view.
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WR5 wrote:
What about international viewers? Like me, im From Dominican Republic and the Tv Packages here are diferent and dont have avery channel ( Versus ), so...
What about international viewers? Like me, im From Dominican Republic and the Tv Packages here are diferent and dont have avery channel ( Versus ), so now it will be hard to see the series from my point of view.
Sorry, my brother. On the plus side, you do have that gorgeous Caribbean at your beck and call...
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WR5 wrote:
What about international viewers? Like me, im From Dominican Republic and the Tv Packages here are diferent and dont have avery channel ( Versus ), so...
What about international viewers? Like me, im From Dominican Republic and the Tv Packages here are diferent and dont have avery channel ( Versus ), so now it will be hard to see the series from my point of view.
Rupert X wrote:
Sorry, my brother. On the plus side, you do have that gorgeous Caribbean at your beck and call...
Thank u Ruppert!Cool

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11/15/2011 7:13pm
True quality is maybe better than live but then the MX parties at my brothers wouldn't existent........
11/15/2011 7:16pm
They can start by replacing Emig. His delivery is painful to hear, and makes the sport look like redheaded step-child vomit. Make it stop!
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Ever consider that 2012 is the year they're hosting the Olympics in London? And that NBC is the network hosting them? They've got bigger fish to fry in '12, but I'm guessing things will move along nicely the year after.
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yep completely agree I don't care if it's not until later in the week or what or when..
I remember watching 4 motos baaaaack in the day and loving it and it was a week or two after the race was held.. I think this place would struggle with that though but i, literally couldn't care less about that

the commentating doesn't grind on me as much as it does some others but i do like the jokey delivery of weege and emig but it's definately better with david bailey in the booth and I love it when RC is in there it's like you're watching with a mate with all his 'oh ooh's' and stuff
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Rupert X wrote:
Look, I'm sure DC and MX Sports, ALLI, NBC SPORTS/ Versus and everyone involved wants more than anything to have as many outdoor National races LIVE...
Look, I'm sure DC and MX Sports, ALLI, NBC SPORTS/ Versus and everyone involved wants more than anything to have as many outdoor National races LIVE - as possible and, as motocross fans, we want it , too. Though, truth is- It matters not as much to me what channel or what time they are on, as long as we have comprehensive and, fairly current , PROFESSIONAL coverage. We'd like to see complete moto's (all four) in a timely manner with lively banter from the announcers and a thorough dissection and analysis of the action at hand and, the behind the scenes mumbo-jumbo - in HD (dammit)...With today's DVR, TIVO, multiple channels etc., many of us don't watch the shcnizzle live, anyhow ... Most of us mx'ers are out doing our thang (yes, thang). I know, I know, it's all about the advertisers, the teams, getting common folks hooked on our product, too, but, the reality is - I'm not sure the " average American consumer" is ever going to buy into our filthy, dangerous product - as much as we would like them, too, anyway...but, where I'm going with this and, many of you, who've bravely and patiently listened to my boring rants over the years will testify, is that I feel and have been saying this for at least one decade, perhaps, two, is that SUPERCROSS is the avenue to provide revenue for our venue - in other words, if we could ever get the American public hooked on REGULAR, CONSISTENT, LIVE, WELL-EXECUTED, pretty much every -Saturday- night broadcasts on a fairly mainstream channel, we would, eventually, draw in a loyal fan-base made up of folks from other sports, motorsports and regular TV-viewers. How do we do that ? Arrange a schedule where it is easy for the viewers to get attached, make it into a well -executed ,concise 3 hour package of racing action, backed with story lines and intense rivalries and, provide solid, reliable and consistent entertainment. Most of us that have been following the sport for a while would have imagined that we would have had REGULAR, LIVE SATURDAY NIGHT SUPERCROSS ten years ago, but, sadly, we've had fragmented broadcasts on a variety of channels that has left us throwing our hands up in the air and rolling our eyes...In summation, my moto brothers and sisters, my argument is this, if we want motocross junkies, we must first get 'em hooked on the Supercross and, then, there's a great potential for the followers to track their favorite teams and athletes outdoors - as well. The floor is open, take of your shirts and wrestle.
I like where you are going for this. We need to do something as a sport in order to get this more main stream. In order to get more main stream I believe we need something in every day life and like other sports and thats DRAMA. Unfortunately for us a lot of that is covered up. Either it be from contract negotiations, rider feuds, injuries, or even in helmet communication. I think on all aspects we need to hear , see and feel the entire sport. There is some stuff that isn't talked about, shown or even recognized in our sport. We need to make it more real life. People love reality TV, you know why? Its cause they can relate to it. People can't relate to us like they can football or baseball. We need to hear the details behind someones injuries, sickness, contract, bike issues, and other things like that. In my opinion we NEED in helmet communication so fans can feel like they are a party of it. Thats why Nascar is soo big. Thats also the reason that companies like Hart and Huntington cause they feel they are part of the team. Get more teams on that track and we will be closer to main stream TV. As much as main stream sucks, its the best thing for our sport. I think our sport needs to get a little closer to reality. We put our athletes on a pedestal and I think they deserve it. However the closer people feel to our riders the more they will be able to relate.
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11/15/2011 9:23pm
I nominate Rupert X to layout a supercross format that thrills the network viewers and captivates the attendees. I know that Rupert will find a way to bring back qualifying races during the day program and semifinals to the night show. Holley and Weege should call the races. I know that Rupert's formula would result in popularity to rival the hillbilly roundy-round car racing thingy that the old-timers are always carrying on about.
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WR5 wrote:
What about international viewers? Like me, im From Dominican Republic and the Tv Packages here are diferent and dont have avery channel ( Versus ), so...
What about international viewers? Like me, im From Dominican Republic and the Tv Packages here are diferent and dont have avery channel ( Versus ), so now it will be hard to see the series from my point of view.
The whole series will be available on the interweb. There are websites that broadcast every channel that you can get on TV. The downside is that you can't always get the quality but it's better than missing out.
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11/16/2011 8:42am
The move away from Speed makes me uncomfortable too. It's not a specialty channel up here in Canada, Versus likely is. Would like to know if there will be online availability too as I just set up a couple of extra media centers for viewing. It would be sad if we had to pay for a specialty package which includes Versus and had less live coverage or had to go back to torrents.
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I wish they'd show both motos online.
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Versus is ruining my life. I have to pay for the premium package from Dish to get it which I am not about to do. I already pay $75 a month for tv. I miss hockey and now mx because of Versus. They needd to add that channel to a lesser package.
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WR5 wrote:
What about international viewers? Like me, im From Dominican Republic and the Tv Packages here are diferent and dont have avery channel ( Versus ), so...
What about international viewers? Like me, im From Dominican Republic and the Tv Packages here are diferent and dont have avery channel ( Versus ), so now it will be hard to see the series from my point of view.
You lost the Internet?
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I don't know if it is too late but with basketball being gone this would be a great winter/spring to capitalize on the missing bball games and interject a live sat night coverage for all of the SX's. I don't know why Speed, Fuel or ESPN wouldn't jump all over this. Well, maybe not ESPN. They suck, for the most part.
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lucero10x wrote:
I don't know if it is too late but with basketball being gone this would be a great winter/spring to capitalize on the missing bball games...
I don't know if it is too late but with basketball being gone this would be a great winter/spring to capitalize on the missing bball games and interject a live sat night coverage for all of the SX's. I don't know why Speed, Fuel or ESPN wouldn't jump all over this. Well, maybe not ESPN. They suck, for the most part.
Here here, for one missing NBA players' salary - we could present a winter of LIVE SUPERCROSS ON SATURDAY NIGHTS !

And, perhaps find some room to provide a little income for the REAL PRIVATEERS, who seem to be slowly becoming an

extinct species......


There is NO REASON, in this day and age, that we DO NOT HAVE ALL THE SUPERCROSS' LIVE ON TV - hell the stadiums

pretty much sell out ! WTF ?? It's a crime against motokind, I tells ya.
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I agree with the honorable statesman from Ohio...at least I think I do. I would trade live coverage for consistent more in-depth coverage. Who watches TV on Saturday afternoon in the summer anyway? I love the Nationals, but I never watch it live. I've got other things to do (like ride). I try to record it for later viewing, but I've got to search each week to find the time and station. Half the time, I didn't even bother watching the recorded show. I knew the results and the coverage wasn't going to add anything.
Comcast Sports Net shows the Canadian and FIM GP's weekday evenings between 6 and 8 PM. To be honest, I watched more of these last year than the AMA Nationals. I don't follow those series. I didn't know if it was last weeks or last years race. The coverage wasn't any better than the AMA series, but it was motocross on when I have time to watch TV on the same channel and same time each week.
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there are 2 reasons why moto will not reach higher plains.....

1) the riders cant speak in a professional entertaining way

2) no one has ever made money in moto. it is a loosing proposition, just ask them.
11/16/2011 9:44am
lucero10x wrote:
I don't know if it is too late but with basketball being gone this would be a great winter/spring to capitalize on the missing bball games...
I don't know if it is too late but with basketball being gone this would be a great winter/spring to capitalize on the missing bball games and interject a live sat night coverage for all of the SX's. I don't know why Speed, Fuel or ESPN wouldn't jump all over this. Well, maybe not ESPN. They suck, for the most part.
Rupert X wrote:
Here here, for one missing NBA players' salary - we could present a winter of LIVE SUPERCROSS ON SATURDAY NIGHTS ! And, perhaps find some room...
Here here, for one missing NBA players' salary - we could present a winter of LIVE SUPERCROSS ON SATURDAY NIGHTS !

And, perhaps find some room to provide a little income for the REAL PRIVATEERS, who seem to be slowly becoming an

extinct species......


There is NO REASON, in this day and age, that we DO NOT HAVE ALL THE SUPERCROSS' LIVE ON TV - hell the stadiums

pretty much sell out ! WTF ?? It's a crime against motokind, I tells ya.
this^^
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11/16/2011 9:57am
KAWboy14 wrote:
there are 2 reasons why moto will not reach higher plains..... 1) the riders cant speak in a professional entertaining way 2) no one has ever...
there are 2 reasons why moto will not reach higher plains.....

1) the riders cant speak in a professional entertaining way

2) no one has ever made money in moto. it is a loosing proposition, just ask them.
1. Sir, you've obviously not been listening to other sports' representatives speak forth.....ahem.... Our motocross lads do

fairly well in comparison, me thinks... and I don't feel their manner of speak really means that much in the grand scheme..

more so their actions....and we want actions.

2. No, there are quite a few quite comfortable now, due to wise investments, it's the others we need to be concerned

about - the 98 % that have not the vision or maturity to see the full, lengthy picture... and for those that don't make a

stand in their own behalf - it's high time.
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11/16/2011 10:01am
just like all other sports, the have nots will never have until the haves demand the have nots have!

i usually fast forward during interviews because it puts me to sleep before the next moto......so your saying i should start listening?
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11/16/2011 10:04am
I watch SX live because it is later at night or in the evening...........I rarely watch MX live because I shoot my whole saturday if I do. Instead I look forward to dvr' ing it and sitting down saturday night to watch it. If MX wasnt live, but delayed until late in the evening I would be ok with that.
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JB 19 wrote:
I watch SX live because it is later at night or in the evening...........I rarely watch MX live because I shoot my whole saturday if I...
I watch SX live because it is later at night or in the evening...........I rarely watch MX live because I shoot my whole saturday if I do. Instead I look forward to dvr' ing it and sitting down saturday night to watch it. If MX wasnt live, but delayed until late in the evening I would be ok with that.
do you listen to the interviews or do you fast forward thru them also?
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I agree that SX should be live for 3 hours every Saturday night. Every other mainstream sport gets live coverage for that length of time, so why don't we? I'm sure the attendance at every single SX is higher than it would be for a typical game played by whatever football or baseball team calls that night's stadium their home. Yet those teams (who play just as many games as we have races, or in baseballs case play TONS more) get live coverage on every single game. I know that the CBS broadcasts are good for helping aide the 'mainstreaming' of the sport, but it sucks that they're only 1 hour and tape delayed to Sunday. I personally groaned when I saw how many races are going to be on CBS this year (after excitedly noting that EVERY race on SPEED is live Smile ) and not just because of the tape delay, but also because of the sub-par presentation that focuses more on storylines than on the actual racing (the first CBS broadcast this past year was the LA race, and they only had enough time to show highlights for the heat races because they were too busy running a story about how the riders visited with the local police because the chief is a SX fan). I think that was the only race where we didn't get any full coverage of either heat race but it was the worst one to pick to do that with because the heats were pretty spectacular, just like the main. Even when we do get full heat race coverage on CBS it's still only whichever heat the producers or execs felt had more action/drama/storyline and then we get stupid highlights for the other heat. I can only imagine how it would be if they brought back the qualifiers...


I don't mind the streaming internet broadcasts for MX, because as most people have said, we're usually busy doing whatever during the day and would just DVR it and watch it later anyway. But the broadcasts need to be archived so that you can watch them at any time, not just when they're live. Since I have an HDMI port on my computer I can plug it into my TV so it really isn't much different than watching on TV, although the quality of the vid suffers if the host server isn't very good, and when you amplify that onto a big HDTV it gets rather annoying

One last thing is that many of you say you would prefer that they all be on TV, even if they're not live. I can agree with that but only if that goes hand in hand with live streaming on the web with archived broadcasts. If the only way it gets broadcast is with a 1-7 day delay I think that will be a huge step backwards, because information travels so fast these days via the web that most people would have seen the results before seeing the broadcast, and I can only imagine that that would turn people off to watching the broadcasts

Sorry for the novel.

Discuss
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11/16/2011 10:22am
if curling can make it on tv live.....then moto shouldnt have any problem!
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I'lll always luv ya Rup, and certainly agree with your Supercross theory, except... those that have owned Supercross for the past 25+ years do not see it the same way. That is, as a professional sport to be respected as such. They may say they do, but actions speak louder than words and their actions have clearly shown that they see the sport in much the same light as their other "entertainment properties" monster truck mud rassling and daredevil dirtbikers on ice.

Revenue-generating properties, I might add.

They know their audience and they are not about to give them up. We motocross nuts are just a small part of that audience, and they tolerate us as long as we pony up with the ticket prices. Recall how they took away the free webcast. Monster-truck loving freestyle fans couldn't give a shit about a live webcast of a race.

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