No way Stewart will reach McGrath's record?

LtColMXUSM131 10/27/2011 2:59am
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BobbyM wrote:
he already has...crashing while leading stat....Wink

how old is james?
I think he has lost more championships than he has won due to crashing....
Good point Bobby
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`ol Ger 10/27/2011 4:01am
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BLAHBLAH wrote:
it's ridiculous how people on here lie to them selves or at least lie to make a point..... Ol'ger you sure as hell wouldn't be surprised...
it's ridiculous how people on here lie to them selves or at least lie to make a point..... Ol'ger you sure as hell wouldn't be surprised let alone flabbergasted if "stew'balls" won 10 races this year. We all know he has the potential to do so. I remember not so long ago (2007) when he won 13 races against Chad Reed, Kevin Windham, and a part time RC. Will he do it? probably not... but I wouldn't be surprised.
Thanks. Since you are telling me what I think, is it OK if I return the favor?



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Dirt_Dawg 10/27/2011 4:54am
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Dirt_Dawg wrote:
So you're saying he needs to slow down to win? get real dude.
scooter5002 wrote:
I believe pilotdude was referring to the old adage "You have to slow down to speed up". Just a guess.
pilotdude wrote:
That is exactly right scooter5002. Dirt Dawg, you don't race much do you.
I raced a few times here and there in the c class district 34 but never took it serious. As for your comment i think you mean he should ride SMARTER. Stewart is a agressive rider, he cant change that. If he can minimize the mistakes and keep a level head hes going to give the ryans hell this year.
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Racer92 10/27/2011 5:39am
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GHR wrote:
What MC did we will NEVER see again in our lifetime. PERIOD. Dude was something special.
He was special, but its been argued he didnt have the competition that we have these days and thats what allowed him to rack up so many titles. That was the sole focus of Hannahs rant in that MXA interview; that many of the riders of JMG's time just werent in shape and dedicated. Weve all heard the stories about these Pro riders smoking pot, partying, the whole deal. It was RC that changed all that when he showed up that one year lean & mean and started to put serious fitness back into racing, and he proceeded to smoke everyone. Many times lapping almost the entire field, and then two back-to-back undefeated National titles? That is hardcore shit right there !

IMHO you put a young McGrath in todays field and he wouldnt come close to all the titles he won back in his day, RC set the bar that everyone since him has been trying to move up even higher.

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Motodude 10/27/2011 5:48am
10/27/2011 5:48am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2011 5:48am
Bubba wont break MC's record.... however, he might have a chance if races SX for at least 5 more years.
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MxNate701 10/27/2011 6:33am
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Motodude wrote:
Bubba wont break MC's record.... however, he might have a chance if races SX for at least 5 more years.
5 more years????, signing with JGR guarentees that his two wheel days are numbered, I fully predict that 2 years is the max he'll be in SX and that assumes that he doesn't show potential in a car before then. He might be working for Coy now but you can bet Joe sealed this deal to make sure Bubba will be in one of his cars ASAP. Believe IT.
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Dnlp D952 10/27/2011 6:45am
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Really? So you are telling me James looked the same on the "reverse engine" Yamaha compared to his '09 Yamaha or his Kawi's? I think JGR...
Really? So you are telling me James looked the same on the "reverse engine" Yamaha compared to his '09 Yamaha or his Kawi's? I think JGR is going to do a better job with J-Bone assisting in setting up the bike properly for James. I think this combo will help James get closer and closer to MC's record.
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Again, it's not the bike. It's the fact that 4 guys can now run his pace instead of just 2 or 1. This creates pressure, which...
Again, it's not the bike. It's the fact that 4 guys can now run his pace instead of just 2 or 1. This creates pressure, which he doesn't handle well, because he refuses to be the 2nd fastest in control guy. The bike worked fine in the heat races and when he got out to an early lead (aside from his error at Daytona). For all we know, the other 4 riders faced bike setup issues too, but because they rode within their bike's limitations, we never knew about it. We just assumed they were off the pace that day. He was the best guy in some races, as were 4 other riders last year.
Hmmm, I found this tidbit on another site...

The suspension on the San Manuel bike was not very good. The owner of the team - who was trying to sell it - refused to put any money into development. And the people they had developing it were not very good. That is why he did not race anymore after SX season. Anyone that rides knows how rough it is trying to ride a bike with a suspension system that is not working well. It can also be dangerous, especially at that level. JGR has a suspension dyno, the only one like it in the industry. After 2 days on the JGR YZ, James knew he could run up front safely and often.
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pilotdude 10/27/2011 6:51am
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scooter5002 wrote:
I believe pilotdude was referring to the old adage "You have to slow down to speed up". Just a guess.
pilotdude wrote:
That is exactly right scooter5002. Dirt Dawg, you don't race much do you.
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I raced a few times here and there in the c class district 34 but never took it serious. As for your comment i think you...
I raced a few times here and there in the c class district 34 but never took it serious. As for your comment i think you mean he should ride SMARTER. Stewart is a agressive rider, he cant change that. If he can minimize the mistakes and keep a level head hes going to give the ryans hell this year.
Well said man. Stewart could ride smarter by not taking it to the extreme edge of the envelope all the time. That is what I meant by slowing down to go faster.
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motogrady 10/27/2011 6:54am
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If one reads the PR, he's got a 3 year for bikes, but is slated to begin testing cars in a few weeks.
I don't feel he has the interest, the dedication, to bikes, he had when he went undefeated on the 125.

Wasn't RC the guy that said, at 26, he just couldn't put the work in anymore like you need to run at that level?
Does anyone see James doing the AldonBaker stuff at 28?

Naw, I have a feeling McGrath isn't losing any sleep on the 72 wins record.
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jeffro503 10/27/2011 8:00am
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Motodude wrote:
Bubba wont break MC's record.... however, he might have a chance if races SX for at least 5 more years.
MxNate701 wrote:
5 more years????, signing with JGR guarentees that his two wheel days are numbered, I fully predict that 2 years is the max he'll be in...
5 more years????, signing with JGR guarentees that his two wheel days are numbered, I fully predict that 2 years is the max he'll be in SX and that assumes that he doesn't show potential in a car before then. He might be working for Coy now but you can bet Joe sealed this deal to make sure Bubba will be in one of his cars ASAP. Believe IT.
He signed a 3yr contract with JGR.
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tbanks 10/27/2011 8:01am
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I don't think he will break the record, but will come pretty close. I say he gets 65-68 wins.

The only way he would break it would be if he stays injury free and adds a year or two to the three years at JGR.
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Nicknku 10/27/2011 9:32am
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No major injuries in the next three years and there are going to be a lot of upset MC fans.... me included.
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reded 10/27/2011 9:39am
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I honestly hope he doesn't break the record cause it'll make for some boring ass racing if Stewart wins 30 races in the next 3 yrs. I'm a fan of MC and it was kinda boring when he was doing it.
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Mr. Ted 10/27/2011 10:36am
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I think people are confusing, or at least using "probability" and "possibility" synonymously. Big difference. Is it possible? Sure. Probable? In, my opinion, no. 1 year with an injury in the first half of the season and that makes the window close a little more. Add a few more fast guys, that a just a bit younger and can afford to be more aggressive and it closes some more. Has the possibility window completely closed, no, but I wonder what the odds in Vegas are that Bubba will break the McGrath's record? This doesn't take into account how long he races, either. Is he going to be K-Dub and race until he is 35? Really don't see that. In fact, I would be shocked if James is racing 5 years from now.
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RaceFace 10/27/2011 4:51pm
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manering wrote:
out of the top 5 sx riders at the moment stew is the only one with the talent to win 10 races / season. all the...
out of the top 5 sx riders at the moment stew is the only one with the talent to win 10 races / season. all the others will win a few but not dominate. question is can stewart get everything around him in order this year. if stew gets comfortable on that jgr bike lookout.
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So what happened last year? He raced every single round to. I don't doubt he has the speed to win.....we all know he does. But getting...
So what happened last year? He raced every single round to. I don't doubt he has the speed to win.....we all know he does. But getting a good start , making no mistakes for 20 laps while being pressured......has been his down fall over these past few years. It will get harder and harder every year. BUT.....who knows? We will have to wait and see how he adapts to that JGR Yamaha.
Right?

I really can't believe how he is being hyped by some. People think he is going to be racing SX AND winning in 5 years? What?! People think he can win not only 10 times in 2012 but 10 times in 2014?!! Really!? I'm going to make an astonishing prediction and say he wins 5 at most in 2012, and I'm being generous. I say he wins zero in 2013 and retires after that year. He could prove me wrong but historically, not many top contending Pros get FASTER at age 26, 27, and 28. Reed did in 2011, but that is not the norm. RV is NOTICEABLY faster than he was in SX 2011 right now. There is no arguing that. So not only is Stewart going to need to be as fast as he was in 2011, he needs to be even faster. Stewart has slowed down (ever so slightly) in each of the last 3 years whether anyone believes it or not. He is human. It is like when RC caught and passed MC, it happened, and there wasn't anything MC could do about it. RV is on one of those 3 year runs where he is the guy to beat and it's gonna be ugly for everyone else for a time.
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`ol Ger 10/27/2011 5:14pm
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motogrady wrote:
If one reads the PR, he's got a 3 year for bikes, but is slated to begin testing cars in a few weeks. I don't feel...
If one reads the PR, he's got a 3 year for bikes, but is slated to begin testing cars in a few weeks.
I don't feel he has the interest, the dedication, to bikes, he had when he went undefeated on the 125.

Wasn't RC the guy that said, at 26, he just couldn't put the work in anymore like you need to run at that level?
Does anyone see James doing the AldonBaker stuff at 28?

Naw, I have a feeling McGrath isn't losing any sleep on the 72 wins record.
Sir. What year did Stewart go undefeated on a 125?


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Hank_Thrill 10/27/2011 5:37pm
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Here is why the record is safe: Jeremy McGrath was a good ten years ahead of his competition, progression wise. Though he was occasionally beat, for the most part he was a shark in a school of fish. Also, back then the sport wasn't as developed as it is today, so it allowed for someone like Jeremy to be head and shoulders above the rest.

RC said it in 2007, and now you hear top echoing the comment: you really can't go much faster on a motorcycle determined by the laws of physics. I don't see anyone dominating the way Jeremy did because the top riders simply can't go that much faster. Unless someone develops a time-saving technique of transporting their body and machine through a triple rather than over, I doubt we will see another rider dominate like Jeremy in the next few years. The deeper the motocross talent pool = the less likely it becomes.
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ElkinHammer 10/27/2011 5:41pm
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Here is why the record is safe: Jeremy McGrath was a good ten years ahead of his competition, progression wise. Though he was occasionally beat, for...
Here is why the record is safe: Jeremy McGrath was a good ten years ahead of his competition, progression wise. Though he was occasionally beat, for the most part he was a shark in a school of fish. Also, back then the sport wasn't as developed as it is today, so it allowed for someone like Jeremy to be head and shoulders above the rest.

RC said it in 2007, and now you hear top echoing the comment: you really can't go much faster on a motorcycle determined by the laws of physics. I don't see anyone dominating the way Jeremy did because the top riders simply can't go that much faster. Unless someone develops a time-saving technique of transporting their body and machine through a triple rather than over, I doubt we will see another rider dominate like Jeremy in the next few years. The deeper the motocross talent pool = the less likely it becomes.
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MxNate701 10/27/2011 5:49pm
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Motodude wrote:
Bubba wont break MC's record.... however, he might have a chance if races SX for at least 5 more years.
MxNate701 wrote:
5 more years????, signing with JGR guarentees that his two wheel days are numbered, I fully predict that 2 years is the max he'll be in...
5 more years????, signing with JGR guarentees that his two wheel days are numbered, I fully predict that 2 years is the max he'll be in SX and that assumes that he doesn't show potential in a car before then. He might be working for Coy now but you can bet Joe sealed this deal to make sure Bubba will be in one of his cars ASAP. Believe IT.
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He signed a 3yr contract with JGR.
A 3 year contract with JGR, do you really think they wouldn't move him to the car if they felt it was the best thing for JGR, and for the record I really don't think he has the focus on SX to make any kind of run at MC. If he can do it in 2012 why couldn't he do it in 2009, 2010 or 2011? His best days are behind him, at least on 2 wheels.
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stizzle 10/27/2011 10:45pm
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MxNate701 wrote:
A 3 year contract with JGR, do you really think they wouldn't move him to the car if they felt it was the best thing for...
A 3 year contract with JGR, do you really think they wouldn't move him to the car if they felt it was the best thing for JGR, and for the record I really don't think he has the focus on SX to make any kind of run at MC. If he can do it in 2012 why couldn't he do it in 2009, 2010 or 2011? His best days are behind him, at least on 2 wheels.
He did it in 2009, just not as well in 2010 or 2011.
2strokerider 10/28/2011 3:49am
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Theres no doubt that james is capable of winning races- but to be as dominant as that? (10 race wins a season) - not a chance in my opinion. Mcgraths record was set in a different era, where he was pretty much in a league of his own in supercross (apart from the occasional challenge)- until RC came along that is.
In the current era you've got a few riders that can all run james' pace on any given saturday night - RV, dungey, canard, reed and windham have all showed they can run james' pace (or faster). The only difference being, that all the other riders mentioned can all handle the pressure of being in a batttle, and show more consistency. They also have all raced outdoors- you dont get faster by not racing!
RV is looking very dangerous right now- i think he is the man to beat, the only question in my opinion is whether anyone can run with him consistently?

You also have to take into consideration that the next generation of riders will be moving up in 2013/ 2014 - so you could also factor roczen, wilson, tomac, barcia (who has already proven he can run with the big boys on the 450) and maybe some others too! Pourcel will be winning races when he goes back stateside too.

I hope james mans up and races outdoors next year- theres no way he'll break MC's record, but it would be cool to see him race outdoors again before he retires and goes racing cars.
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mccread 10/28/2011 4:02am
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Even if James breaks MCs record in the next three years, Jeremy is still the best ever Supercrpss rider because he has seven titles.

James would need to win eight titles and win 72+ races to be considered better than Jeremy, and if his contract is only for three years on bikes, I can't see that happening.
OneDirtyMXRider 11/2/2011 7:11pm
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Stewart can pull it off, no mechanic failures and no injuries he would have a good shot
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PressPassP 11/3/2011 12:22am
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Not up against the potential winners there are now,I hope I'm wrong but I don't see him staying injury free for 3 seasons after last seasons antics,not sure how many guys(if any) are moving up in the next few seasons too?
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ODB 11/3/2011 4:36am
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lets lose the ''suspension sucked at san manuel theory''............thats pure bullshit as was throwing their suspension tech under the bus ...............Stewarts program has lapsed and others have gained on theirs................the absolute worst thing he could have done was let the other riders believe they could beat him,the game has changed and i think the stewart camp will get more wins ,but i also believe he'll be injured trying to get them and he'll also lead the series in RTO's the next three years


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