2 stroke nationals.

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 4:33am
Okay so I already posted this on twostrokemotocross.com but I want opinions from both sides. What I'm trying to do is put together a 12 round national 2 stroke series for the pros in 2013. I'm bringing in somebbig name sponsors and were going to put up a good pro purse to attract the riders. The pro's would run 25 minute motos. But it would be a 2 day event with amateurs on Saturday and pro's on Sunday. But to not lose money I would have to allow 4 strokes on Saturday so if you came out and raced Saturday would you come back Sunday to watch the pro's battle it out on 125's and 250's?
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mxracer816 10/27/2011 11:11am
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So this will be completely separate from our current nationals ?
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FreshTopEnd 10/27/2011 11:12am
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It depends on who the pros are.
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wawazat 10/27/2011 11:14am
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Don't waste your money or time. Glen Helen has a two stroke national race and doesn't really draw a crowd.
DRPpromotions 10/27/2011 11:17am
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Yes this series will have rounds in Texas,Alabama,Georgia,Kentucky,Tennessee,Oklahoma,Arkansas,Missippi,
I thought about pitching it to the AMA but with their tight tv schedule I don't think they would have time for 4 extra motos.

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beamer 10/27/2011 11:17am
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Think of the caliber of the riders that are just on the bubble, missing the show qualifiying for current nationals. I think it would be great racing and lots of competition.
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mxracer816 10/27/2011 11:19am
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I seriously doubt you can draw enough big name pros and enough crowd for anyone to invest enough money to make this happen. Now a 2 stroke class that happens at the already established nationals that would be bad ass! I really don't see you drawing more than 1000 to 2000 gate fees at these new events, and probably only mediocre pros at best. JMO though.
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Don't waste your money or time. Glen Helen has a two stroke national race and doesn't really draw a crowd.
Yeah but thats only one race. If it was a whole series with big sponsors that could put up a good pro purse to draw in good riders do you think it would be different?
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Think of the caliber of the riders that are just on the bubble, missing the show qualifiying for current nationals. I think it would be great...
Think of the caliber of the riders that are just on the bubble, missing the show qualifiying for current nationals. I think it would be great racing and lots of competition.
Yeah exactly and I mean think of all the fast privateers that just can't afford a new 4 stroke anymore. And I mean the races will be held at established tracks. The one in Texas I'm pretty sure will be at Freestone I've been talking to Tony Miller the past few days and he really likes the idea.
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burba437 10/27/2011 11:24am
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bring it to red bud thatd be nice
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powDIRT 10/27/2011 11:27am
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I think instead of swinging for the fences and trying to quickly put together a 12 round series, why not start small with a 4 or 6 round series and prove to potential sponsors and investors that one of these could survive. And then promote it to the bigger sponsors and riders once you've proven it can work.

I invest in small businesses from time to time and one of the biggest problems is that people get in too deep and look too wide eyed. Keep the investment low and put 110% effort into it before trying to scrape together a full series.
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I seriously doubt you can draw enough big name pros and enough crowd for anyone to invest enough money to make this happen. Now a 2...
I seriously doubt you can draw enough big name pros and enough crowd for anyone to invest enough money to make this happen. Now a 2 stroke class that happens at the already established nationals that would be bad ass! I really don't see you drawing more than 1000 to 2000 gate fees at these new events, and probably only mediocre pros at best. JMO though.
You make a good point but heres my view on it.
1. You have local pros that would probably come out.
2. Privateers that can't afford 4 strokes anymore.
3. Guys that just turned pro that want to get some experience before moving up the AMA nationals
4. Canadian riders that want to get their feet wet in the states.
And I also think it would draw out some spectators because even if it wasn't top name pro's who wouldn't want to watch a group of A riders battle it out for 30 minutes on 125's? Lol I'm just trying to get some opinions on it and explain where I'm coming from with it.
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burba437 10/27/2011 11:29am
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i was just gonna say the same thing run a 5 race series and see how the people react
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powDIRT wrote:
I think instead of swinging for the fences and trying to quickly put together a 12 round series, why not start small with a 4 or...
I think instead of swinging for the fences and trying to quickly put together a 12 round series, why not start small with a 4 or 6 round series and prove to potential sponsors and investors that one of these could survive. And then promote it to the bigger sponsors and riders once you've proven it can work.

I invest in small businesses from time to time and one of the biggest problems is that people get in too deep and look too wide eyed. Keep the investment low and put 110% effort into it before trying to scrape together a full series.
Yeah that's why I said I wasn't going to start it until 2013 I'm going to try a 4 race "test" series this summer and see how things go.
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E-man811 10/27/2011 11:33am
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Are you planning on following the Pro Nationals and racing on the national track on Sunday after the big boys run on Saturday?

That seems to make the most sense.

Rather than trying to draw people out to other tracks on a different calendar.
I don't see you getting much buy-in doing it as an entirely separate series. The logistic cost of running the track just for your event will be the hurdle to overcome. Follow the pros on Sunday and much of the work is already done and many of the resources are there already, many of the fans are already there, they just camp an extra night.

That I would do. Not sure if people would make the trip out otherwise.
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MXER231 10/27/2011 11:37am
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I would race it. I live i mississippi so it seems like most of the races would be close for me.
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Are you planning on following the Pro Nationals and racing on the national track on Sunday after the big boys run on Saturday? That seems to...
Are you planning on following the Pro Nationals and racing on the national track on Sunday after the big boys run on Saturday?

That seems to make the most sense.

Rather than trying to draw people out to other tracks on a different calendar.
I don't see you getting much buy-in doing it as an entirely separate series. The logistic cost of running the track just for your event will be the hurdle to overcome. Follow the pros on Sunday and much of the work is already done and many of the resources are there already, many of the fans are already there, they just camp an extra night.

That I would do. Not sure if people would make the trip out otherwise.
Thats really what I would like to do but the problem is if I do that I'm competing with the AMA and If the riders have to drive that far they may as well run the AMA series. But the riders are going to go wherever they can make the most money if I could put together a series that travels mainly across the south and a good payout at each race with a nice pro purse for the top 5 at the end of the series I think it would draw in alot of fast riders from the southern states.
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I would race it. I live i mississippi so it seems like most of the races would be close for me.
Lol Jake you were one of the first people I thought of when I first started thinking about this series I saw you at the axtour last year I bet you could haul some ass on a 2 stroke!
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Ddavis 10/27/2011 11:45am
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"If you build it, they will come"


That's all you need to know, and if I'm riding A by then I'm in!

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You will be able to get the racers with a good purse, no problem. Spectators will not happen though. They already don't show up for the GP at Glen Helen which is a short distance from a huge population of moto fans. Unless you get Bubba, Chad, and the Ryans people just won't care.
Two strokes will come back when rules make them competitive. Just like the old four stroke nationals which attracted a few really fast riders and some off brand manufacturers but never a huge following. Then they make rules which make the four stroke dominant and all of a sudden the AMA series basically becomes a four stroke national anyways.
I think you'd have better luck just holding a two stroke race, one day, all classes, no four strokes. There are a lot of people who want to race two strokes but feel they'd be at a disadvantage, and a lot of people who still have two strokes they practice and play on.
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mxracer816 10/27/2011 11:59am
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Completely understand, and not trying to bag on you at all. I own a 2t still, and love riding it, but I just think the only interest you are going to get will be from people who are already moto fans. I seriously doubt you will be able to draw new comers to the sport without recognizable riders. Down here at the pro challenge we Di have a more than full pro gates in the pro motos but that was 2t and 4t but the crowd turnout was "the usuals". Very good racing I might add, but with a total 25000 payout doubt there was any profit. That is only 2000 per moto for the win in the 450 class. I would think to get big names it would have to be at least 5000 per moto and thats not chump change.
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DRPpromotions wrote:
Okay so I already posted this on twostrokemotocross.com but I want opinions from both sides. What I'm trying to do is put together a 12 round...
Okay so I already posted this on twostrokemotocross.com but I want opinions from both sides. What I'm trying to do is put together a 12 round national 2 stroke series for the pros in 2013. I'm bringing in somebbig name sponsors and were going to put up a good pro purse to attract the riders. The pro's would run 25 minute motos. But it would be a 2 day event with amateurs on Saturday and pro's on Sunday. But to not lose money I would have to allow 4 strokes on Saturday so if you came out and raced Saturday would you come back Sunday to watch the pro's battle it out on 125's and 250's?
Get one at Southwick or someplace near NH Smile
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You will be able to get the racers with a good purse, no problem. Spectators will not happen though. They already don't show up for the...
You will be able to get the racers with a good purse, no problem. Spectators will not happen though. They already don't show up for the GP at Glen Helen which is a short distance from a huge population of moto fans. Unless you get Bubba, Chad, and the Ryans people just won't care.
Two strokes will come back when rules make them competitive. Just like the old four stroke nationals which attracted a few really fast riders and some off brand manufacturers but never a huge following. Then they make rules which make the four stroke dominant and all of a sudden the AMA series basically becomes a four stroke national anyways.
I think you'd have better luck just holding a two stroke race, one day, all classes, no four strokes. There are a lot of people who want to race two strokes but feel they'd be at a disadvantage, and a lot of people who still have two strokes they practice and play on.
Yeah thats a good point I would like to do a 2 stroke only amateur race I'm just afraid I'm going to lose money on it because most of your entried are going to come from the C and B riders. And how maby riders in the C and B class are riding 125's? But like I said I'm going to run a test series this summer and see how it works
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MXER231 10/27/2011 12:04pm
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MXER231 wrote:
I would race it. I live i mississippi so it seems like most of the races would be close for me.
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Lol Jake you were one of the first people I thought of when I first started thinking about this series I saw you at the axtour...
Lol Jake you were one of the first people I thought of when I first started thinking about this series I saw you at the axtour last year I bet you could haul some ass on a 2 stroke!
Yeah I feel like I go pretty good on a 2 smoke. I have a lot of fun riding them. Are you gonna be at any ax tour races this year?
I will most likely be doing all of them.
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NP301 10/27/2011 12:08pm
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Yeah thats a good point I would like to do a 2 stroke only amateur race I'm just afraid I'm going to lose money on it...
Yeah thats a good point I would like to do a 2 stroke only amateur race I'm just afraid I'm going to lose money on it because most of your entried are going to come from the C and B riders. And how maby riders in the C and B class are riding 125's? But like I said I'm going to run a test series this summer and see how it works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXth5SVSurc
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Completely understand, and not trying to bag on you at all. I own a 2t still, and love riding it, but I just think the only...
Completely understand, and not trying to bag on you at all. I own a 2t still, and love riding it, but I just think the only interest you are going to get will be from people who are already moto fans. I seriously doubt you will be able to draw new comers to the sport without recognizable riders. Down here at the pro challenge we Di have a more than full pro gates in the pro motos but that was 2t and 4t but the crowd turnout was "the usuals". Very good racing I might add, but with a total 25000 payout doubt there was any profit. That is only 2000 per moto for the win in the 450 class. I would think to get big names it would have to be at least 5000 per moto and thats not chump change.
Yeah exactly but if I could put on a good amateur series and get a good turn out on amateur day I think most of the people would stay to watch the pros on Sunday or I mean if I didn't have a full gate of pro riders I could run it on Saturday also and I think all the local moto heads would come check it out. I know its not going to draw in a ton of spectators but I think most of the local fans would show up if it was advertised well. And I mean it's not like this is something I'm trying to rich off of and meanb I would atleast have to make a little money or it wouldn't be worth it but I'm not doing it be the next Donald Trump or anything like that lol.
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mxracer816 10/27/2011 12:13pm
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When will the 4 races for next year be finalized I will come if its close to TX!
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motokawi818 10/27/2011 12:15pm
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Please do one in cali or near the northwest =] All i ride is my 250 2stroke
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mxpunk 10/27/2011 12:21pm
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25 min motos?

make them shits 30 minutes + 2 !!!

the only way you're gonna get anyone to consider racing is if you offer up ALOT of money for the purses and distribute it accordingling...unlike the AMA!
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I think with the right planning sponsors and support it could work.

Couple things I thought about

1. Make sure the purse is enough to attract some decent pros, I am not talking RV or RD but guys that are 20th or back at a pro National and occasionaly you get a guy like Regal or Albertson

2. I think for sure you need to run all classes and types on Saturday to get the riders and revenue

3. For Sunday -

a. make the 125 class open to anyone- so schoolboy riders could go against some pros. I guess instead of cash for the non A riders give them dealer bucks or something. The 250 clas would be pros . expert only

b. I really think you would need to run a open class of some sort that would allow 4 strokes if you want alot of people to stay over. Just a support class , no payout and than maybe a mini open class to .
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When will the 4 races for next year be finalized I will come if its close to TX!
I'm hoping to have one at Freestone! I will post on here as soon as I know something.

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