MXA vs MotoConcepts

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 7:04pm
Is it me, or is this a terrible piece of "Journalism"? Whats the deal, did Mike Genova or DV rub MXA the wrong way or what?

Alessi to MotoConcepts

'As luck would have it, MotoConcepts was also on the cusp of its racing life. Although a viable team—with support from Yamaha and funding from a millionaire, they had nothing to show for the money they had spent. In fact, during the 2011 season, they missed events (because of rider injuries), manned their team with fill-in riders and their team manager was left with little to do beside troll the internet and machine gun out tweets daily, hourly and by the minute.'

'As for team manager David Vuillemin - he quit (which he tweeted immediately).'
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10/23/2011 5:22am
seems right to me....... mxa tells it the way they see it
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10/23/2011 5:33am
Not exactly tactful though is it? Seems like there is an axe to grind, why show contempt for a team that offer to employ riders in a difficult economic time and which probably works just as hard as any other?

The way the article has been written just seems a bit disingenuous and slightly odd to me.
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10/23/2011 5:40am
DV made a comment on his twitter about it:

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MXA guys = nice to ur face, A-holes in/on mag/website. The usual!
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10/23/2011 5:43am
Sounds like their own version of Vital posting to me.....Smile

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10/23/2011 5:56am
jamma10 wrote:
Is it me, or is this a terrible piece of "Journalism"? Whats the deal, did Mike Genova or DV rub MXA the wrong way or what...
Is it me, or is this a terrible piece of "Journalism"? Whats the deal, did Mike Genova or DV rub MXA the wrong way or what?

Alessi to MotoConcepts

'As luck would have it, MotoConcepts was also on the cusp of its racing life. Although a viable team—with support from Yamaha and funding from a millionaire, they had nothing to show for the money they had spent. In fact, during the 2011 season, they missed events (because of rider injuries), manned their team with fill-in riders and their team manager was left with little to do beside troll the internet and machine gun out tweets daily, hourly and by the minute.'

'As for team manager David Vuillemin - he quit (which he tweeted immediately).'
immediately Tweet is what fans love? Direct reports from teams isn't that new generation? I think so. Everybody of the young "new" fans pick up their phones and follow happenings all time. Was Alessi worth the backup and money spent from KTM? I'm not sure about that. I guess the amount of money versus results was pretty good for Le cobra? (see Honda?) But Alessis newer learn when to have a low profile? To be humble should have give Mike/father better relations and in the end contracts maybe?
As long they think Mike is the Mohammed Ali of motocross. sponsors/teams will back of, because most teammembers/owners are in racing because they love it. Having ups and downs is the thrill (part of it)but most important is having FUN! If you are a cocky selfloving a-hole you must win every race or nobody want's to work their ass of for you. If you do your absolute best and being humble and spreading positive vibes they work and support you to death.....
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10/23/2011 6:02am
If Mike get injured? The team will probably chasing "fill ins" very fast...
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10/23/2011 6:07am
Does anyone still read MXA?
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10/23/2011 6:12am
I can't imagine anyone reading MXA for their opinion on the sport. Read it for product and bike tests and ignore the rest. Everything else is just gossip.
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10/23/2011 6:13am
JLong wrote:
Does anyone still read MXA?
I do, but not for that stuff. If I want TMZ, I come here.
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10/23/2011 6:19am
Do MXA their testing on Vet world GP? Wink
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liter98 wrote:
seems right to me....... mxa tells it the way they see it
^^^^^this^^^^^
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One thing about MXA is they are not afraid to say it and own it.

If that's how they feel so be it. They are usually right
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10/23/2011 7:27am
Should have posted the whole article instead of just one excerpt. No mystery that MXA likes the Alessi's and have since Mike was on 50's, so they probably feel that justifies their poke at DV quitting the team. DV is a cool individual and has thrown a little internet shit himself hasn't he??? He'll be just fine. Here you go.



ALESSI IN AT MOTO CONCEPTS; YAMAHA OUT AT MOTO CONCEPTS; VUILLEMIN SAYS ADIOS
This is a unique silly season story that involves millionaires, last chances, twitter, one last chance to be relevant and a requisite Frenchman

Mike Alessi is a catch for the MotoConcepts team. He is a bonafide top five AMA National rider—a something that MotoConcepts hasn't had before.

MotoConcepts is one of three American motocross teams that could rightly be called a “vanity team.” What is a vanity team? It is a team that is owned by a millionaire, who is basically spending his money to fulfill a personal dream. The other two significant vanity teams are Valli Motorsports and L&M Racing.

There are many different types of race teams—all designed to get riders on the track and achieve a stated goal. Vanity teams differ from factory teams (which are formed to sell motorcycles and are represented currently by Honda, KTM and Kawasaki), satellite teams (which are supported by the factory and outside sponsors—like Pro Circuit Kawasaki, Yoshimura Suzuki, Geico Honda and Joe Gibbs Yamaha), privateer teams (which are funded by aggregate sponsorship from a variety of sources) and private-funded teams (which are built solely to support a single rider like Chad Reed, Nick Wey or Jason Lawrence). It takes a lot of creativity to get the millions of dollars it takes to keep the circus moving.

MIKE ALESSI’S BOAT

Mike Alessi found himself in the same boat this year as Chad Reed did last year—with no place to go. Not because Mike isn’t talented, but because his unique blend of skill, personality and entourage wasn’t in demand for 2012. After leaving Team KTM last month, Mike was on the verge of going the Chad Reed route for 2012. He was going to form his own Alessi Racing team and fund his own team.

As luck would have it, MotoConcepts was also on the cusp of its racing life. Although a viable team—with support from Yamaha and funding from a millionaire, they had nothing to show for the money they had spent. In fact, during the 2011 season, they missed events (because of rider injuries), manned their team with fill-in riders and their team manager was left with little to do beside troll the internet and machine gun out tweets daily, hourly and by the minute. It was, as one of the other millionaire team managers once said, “like putting $3,000,000 in a pile and lighting it on fire.”

The solution for Moto Concepts? Get out of the game or up their game. For 2012, MotoConcepts will unify its team with Mike Alessi’s fledgling team—in an attempt to be relevant. It could work. It gives a vagabond team a chance at a potential top five rider—and maybe even an outdoor victory. That is a chance they haven’t had in the past.

MotoConcepts owner Mike Genova said, “Unquestionably, Mike Alessi brings an increased level of attention to our team. The interest and chatter from the media and fans since the rumors started are greater than we could have anticipated. Furthermore, I believe in Mike and Tony Alessi, I think their work ethic and commitment is second to none and they are the most genuine people I know.”

As for the 2012 season, Mike Alessi will race a Suzuki RM-Z450 in the 2012 AMA Supercross and National series. No word on any other MotoConcepts riders, although they had announced a few weeks ago that they were hiring Jake Canada for 2012.

As for team manager David Vuillemin—he quit (which he tweeted immediately).

For more info go to www.motoconcepts.com or www.alessiracing.com.
10/23/2011 7:41am
WhKnuckle wrote:
I can't imagine anyone reading MXA for their opinion on the sport. Read it for product and bike tests and ignore the rest. Everything else is...
I can't imagine anyone reading MXA for their opinion on the sport. Read it for product and bike tests and ignore the rest. Everything else is just gossip.
Hahaha - that's some funny shiat right thur...

They guy posting to arguably, the most notorious Moto gossip board on the net, commenting on how other than product and bike tests MXA is "Gossip" so you should ignore everything else.

Oh the irony.....

Really, do people think around here before they post?
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10/23/2011 7:56am
Good thing nobody reads MXA. Otherwise, there might be a post on here complaining about what they have to say.
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10/23/2011 7:58am
JLong wrote:
Does anyone still read MXA?
^^^THIS^^^^
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10/23/2011 8:32am Edited Date/Time 10/23/2011 8:35am
WhKnuckle wrote:
I can't imagine anyone reading MXA for their opinion on the sport. Read it for product and bike tests and ignore the rest. Everything else is...
I can't imagine anyone reading MXA for their opinion on the sport. Read it for product and bike tests and ignore the rest. Everything else is just gossip.
Hahaha - that's some funny shiat right thur... They guy posting to arguably, the most notorious Moto gossip board on the net, commenting on how other...
Hahaha - that's some funny shiat right thur...

They guy posting to arguably, the most notorious Moto gossip board on the net, commenting on how other than product and bike tests MXA is "Gossip" so you should ignore everything else.

Oh the irony.....

Really, do people think around here before they post?
The difference is, we're fans discussing the sport. MXA is a bunch of gossipy little bitches using their non-existent "credibility" as so-called professional journalists to substantiate the rumors they propogate and making a living at it.
10/23/2011 8:36am
MXA is a good mag overall and exceptional for product tests. But like any publication they do talk their fair share of nonsense.
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10/23/2011 8:45am
MXA is and always has been the worst magazine ever. And if people really read a magazine shootout to buy a bike well then I don't know what to say. Not sure Guys in there 40's thru 60's that are not even novices know how to test. Plus they ride a track every saturday that doesnt even have one jump.
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fader418 wrote:
MXA is and always has been the worst magazine ever. And if people really read a magazine shootout to buy a bike well then I don't...
MXA is and always has been the worst magazine ever. And if people really read a magazine shootout to buy a bike well then I don't know what to say. Not sure Guys in there 40's thru 60's that are not even novices know how to test. Plus they ride a track every saturday that doesnt even have one jump.
Glen Helen no jumps? Are you sure?
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10/23/2011 8:51am Edited Date/Time 10/23/2011 8:52am
MXA is a good mag overall and exceptional for product tests. But like any publication they do talk their fair share of nonsense.
I'll never forget the time they castigated Robert Reynard for working on Robbie's works Suzuki porting, and concluded their diatribe with "I guess Robbie's mom didn't have time to do his suspension." Or the multitude of times they castigated Kevin Windham for not caring enough about the sport to stay in shape, neither of which were factual conclusions.

When we post on VitalMX, it's the equivalent of how we all used to jabber about the sport in motorcycle shops every Saturday morning, pouring over the latest Cycle News. That's a whole different thing from theoretically professional journalists harpooning a rider's career because they think it'll increase their circulation. Well, the National Enquirer has a lot more circulation than MXA, but they're both bottom-feeder trash tabloids (with the exception of MXAs product and bike tests, which really are well done).
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10/23/2011 8:54am Edited Date/Time 10/23/2011 8:56am
HatersSuck wrote:
One thing about MXA is they are not afraid to say it and own it. If that's how they feel so be it. They are usually...
One thing about MXA is they are not afraid to say it and own it.

If that's how they feel so be it. They are usually right
I agree. One of my complaints about the industry "media" is that they cow-tow to the teams and riders, act as their pals, and sweep scoops under the rug until those involved "allow" something to be said about it. MXA as an outlet that often will tell it like it is, often does so. Just one reason why those that don't want these things coming out would consider them assholes.

Think about these huge stories that we know zilch about thanks to the media:

Larry Brooks fired/quits/visits family.

James Stewart on L&M/not on L&M/.buys team/buys way off team.

Andrew Short practice crash-I defy anyone to find credible info on what happened. MXA just asked him about it in a mini-view this week, and his reply was "I'd rather not talk about it".

Mike Fisher fired. Any release oin that other than Mike commenting on it?

Josh Hansen crushes face on BMX bike, anyone hear of that until the Monster Enegy Cup?.

Now this latest Aless/MotoConcepts deal. The only thing I've heard is from GuyB saying he received an e-mail saying DON'T issue the press release already in his possession. Nothing from Genova/MotoConcepts. Nothing from JGR.

If DV didn't Tweet about his quitting, how would we know it happened? there has been no other press on it.
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10/23/2011 8:54am
I like the article.

It's funny and doesn't just write about what transpired at MC in a bland, matter of fact way. At least they are willing to stick their necks out there and not brown nose with every team and manager (or was a manager).
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10/23/2011 8:56am Edited Date/Time 10/23/2011 9:00am
HatersSuck wrote:
One thing about MXA is they are not afraid to say it and own it. If that's how they feel so be it. They are usually...
One thing about MXA is they are not afraid to say it and own it.

If that's how they feel so be it. They are usually right
But what ARE they saying exactly and why?

The only purpose of the article as I see it seems to be a poor attempt attempt at discrediting MotoConcepts, which seems an odd thing for a magazine to do.

If, as Newman pointed out, they are long time supporters of Alessi, why take a dig the owner & team that is prepared to step up and help Mike out for next season? I don't get it.
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10/23/2011 8:59am
Looks like they are brown nosing Mike, Tony and Mike pretty hard to me.

"unique blend of skill, personality and entourage wasn’t in demand for 2012" that is hilarious.
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10/23/2011 9:03am
HatersSuck wrote:
One thing about MXA is they are not afraid to say it and own it. If that's how they feel so be it. They are usually...
One thing about MXA is they are not afraid to say it and own it.

If that's how they feel so be it. They are usually right
jamma10 wrote:
But what ARE they saying exactly and why? The only purpose of the article as I see it seems to be a poor attempt attempt at...
But what ARE they saying exactly and why?

The only purpose of the article as I see it seems to be a poor attempt attempt at discrediting MotoConcepts, which seems an odd thing for a magazine to do.

If, as Newman pointed out, they are long time supporters of Alessi, why take a dig the owner & team that is prepared to step up and help Mike out for next season? I don't get it.
MXA is not Transworld or RacerX. They called it like they see it. They are not worried about hurting anyone's feelings. MXA is not in the business of being friends with the riders first and reporting what they know or think later.
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10/23/2011 9:04am
i like MXA alot but not for anything really industry related

MXA = bike tech, general moto info

RacerX = lifestlye magazine, LOVE IT!

all the others SUCK
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10/23/2011 9:05am
WhKnuckle wrote:
I can't imagine anyone reading MXA for their opinion on the sport. Read it for product and bike tests and ignore the rest. Everything else is...
I can't imagine anyone reading MXA for their opinion on the sport. Read it for product and bike tests and ignore the rest. Everything else is just gossip.
Hahaha - that's some funny shiat right thur... They guy posting to arguably, the most notorious Moto gossip board on the net, commenting on how other...
Hahaha - that's some funny shiat right thur...

They guy posting to arguably, the most notorious Moto gossip board on the net, commenting on how other than product and bike tests MXA is "Gossip" so you should ignore everything else.

Oh the irony.....

Really, do people think around here before they post?
WhKnuckle wrote:
The difference is, we're fans discussing the sport. MXA is a bunch of gossipy little bitches using their non-existent "credibility" as so-called professional journalists to substantiate...
The difference is, we're fans discussing the sport. MXA is a bunch of gossipy little bitches using their non-existent "credibility" as so-called professional journalists to substantiate the rumors they propogate and making a living at it.
Anyone else remember how every other magazine was lauding the Cannondale when it was approaching release? One magazine named it "Bike of the Year"!!!! MXA got one and panned it as the pile of grabage it was. Seems the other mags were once again looking to put a nice shiny, glossy coat on anything within the industry. MXA called it like they saw it, no matter who's feelings it was going to hurt. They could have completely ignored the truth and tried to help an American MX manufacturer get a foothold, but at the expense of credibility? Yet they are the WORST magazine? Kind of confusing.

Since MXA is so full of rumor-mongering, they must be in court all the time with the various teams suing the shit out of them. I think they usually go with what they have sources for and don't care if they hurt someone's feelings with it. What real journalists are supposed to do.
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10/23/2011 9:06am
Hut wrote:
Looks like they are brown nosing Mike, Tony and Mike pretty hard to me. "unique blend of skill, personality and entourage wasn’t in demand for 2012"...
Looks like they are brown nosing Mike, Tony and Mike pretty hard to me.

"unique blend of skill, personality and entourage wasn’t in demand for 2012" that is hilarious.
Read it again.

I think they are writing it kind of tongue and cheek. Yep, it's hilarious.

Not brown nosing at all, more like dissing them.
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10/23/2011 9:07am
Jody thinks he's the only guy who ever rode a dirt bike. ........and he's sure that he's the only guy to ever race one in the 70's era.

Glad my old man doesn't have the bad attitude those old guys at MXA have.

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