Replace women's AMA class with 125cc class

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mag23 10/20/2011 4:41pm
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Look, lets face it, with this economy there is only so much money to go around. Some of these women are riding factory level bikes. That...
Look, lets face it, with this economy there is only so much money to go around. Some of these women are riding factory level bikes. That means someone like Alessi's caliber may miss out on a ride due to monies being tied up in the women's bikes and programs. That, in me opinion is wrong, no one gives two shit's about chicks on dirt bikes unless they are hot and laying across the seat ie: Transworld........ Smile



P.S. Don't shoot the messenger.......
Townley sure would look good on a factory bike... I'm sure Alessi and Townley are a lot more expensive, but it seems like a waste of factory resources to be putting money into a series that could not stand up on its own. Bummer to say, the ladies work hard and are good riders, but the truth hurts sometimes. Fans are being force fed wma, which is fine, but not if it starts taking resources away from the real show, which it is now.
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MX7MX 10/20/2011 4:47pm
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MX Sports will not abandon the WMX anytime soon. While it may not be everyone's cup of energy drink, some people -- myself included -- enjoy...
MX Sports will not abandon the WMX anytime soon. While it may not be everyone's cup of energy drink, some people -- myself included -- enjoy the racing and the athletes and the idea of helping this group of racers to have a place to participate beyond the strictly amateur level. I also hope we can find a role for a class at some races for young up-and-comers and see how that goes.

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You can........have the up and coming amateurs race the bikes they already ride, the 250F, except make it the 250 Amateur class! Problem solved.
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MX7MX 10/20/2011 5:21pm
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Getting a few of the top AMs to beat up the womens pro class is not going to turn the sport around and compete with NASCAR...
Getting a few of the top AMs to beat up the womens pro class is not going to turn the sport around and compete with NASCAR. A 2 stroke series will not bring the masses at all either. You dont see tens of thousands of people lining up outside the gate waiting to watch Glen Helen 2 Stroke National. 2 stroke class is all about the nostalgia for the people that grew up racing in the 2 stroke era. Same reason there are vintage races. For the core folks. Did NASCAR get their top up and comers in10 year old cars and race them against lesser skilled racers in newer/better equipment during intermission to get to where they are now?
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No body said anything about racing the 125s with the girls anyway. No one said it would bring the masses back, or bring the sport back...
No body said anything about racing the 125s with the girls anyway. No one said it would bring the masses back, or bring the sport back. Does the sport need to be turned around or brought back? DC would tell you that fans attend in record numbers. The sport doesn't need to be saved yet. The fans will attend anyway, with or without a WMA or 125 class. There is just a strong following of the 125 class.
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I brought up the junior 16-17 year old boys on a stock 125 vs the WMX would be a very good race. Plus it would keep...
I brought up the junior 16-17 year old boys on a stock 125 vs the WMX would be a very good race. Plus it would keep people watching the women, unlike right now. But you are correct on the other stuff.
Ok, put AC92 on his supermini against the womens class and I'll betcha AC92 would win. What would that accomplish in the WMX class?? NOTHING.
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Look, lets face it, with this economy there is only so much money to go around. Some of these women are riding factory level bikes. That...
Look, lets face it, with this economy there is only so much money to go around. Some of these women are riding factory level bikes. That means someone like Alessi's caliber may miss out on a ride due to monies being tied up in the women's bikes and programs. That, in me opinion is wrong, no one gives two shit's about chicks on dirt bikes unless they are hot and laying across the seat ie: Transworld........ Smile



P.S. Don't shoot the messenger.......
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Townley sure would look good on a factory bike... I'm sure Alessi and Townley are a lot more expensive, but it seems like a waste of...
Townley sure would look good on a factory bike... I'm sure Alessi and Townley are a lot more expensive, but it seems like a waste of factory resources to be putting money into a series that could not stand up on its own. Bummer to say, the ladies work hard and are good riders, but the truth hurts sometimes. Fans are being force fed wma, which is fine, but not if it starts taking resources away from the real show, which it is now.
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JLong 10/20/2011 5:35pm
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Factories support women's racing because it's an untapped market, with ROOM TO GROW.

125's are the same guys trading sales within the same market- younger racers who will move to 250f's.

The 125 class at nationals will be the same excitement level as the women or less. Not here to piss on the two-strokers, but you guys are seemingly wanting to re-invent 1999.
SuperMario 10/20/2011 5:38pm
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People are either into it, or they're not. You can't make anyone watch something they're not into.
miedosoracing1 wrote:
Glad you didn't work for NASACARs marketing department. They made a shit load of people who previously didn't watch or even talked about how boring it...
Glad you didn't work for NASACARs marketing department. They made a shit load of people who previously didn't watch or even talked about how boring it was, followers. Don't believe me, do some research.
And that's why I LOVE this sports close mindedness. LOL
Tons of folks watch the Superbowl, that are not football fans, and it seems the motorcycle industry never wants to look past it own shortsightedness at what others do.

I recall how there was no stands on the backstraight at Daytona, as there was no need years ago. Hell, not that long ago it was basically a regional series in the Southeast, and now it crosses the country a couple of times.

There is one major key difference in why the one has rocketed to the top, despite being an utter bore, while the more exciting one, wallows in the mire.

And its really rather simple.
Track and Trail 10/20/2011 6:13pm
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SuperMario wrote:
Tons of folks watch the Superbowl, that are not football fans, and it seems the motorcycle industry never wants to look past it own shortsightedness at...
Tons of folks watch the Superbowl, that are not football fans, and it seems the motorcycle industry never wants to look past it own shortsightedness at what others do.

I recall how there was no stands on the backstraight at Daytona, as there was no need years ago. Hell, not that long ago it was basically a regional series in the Southeast, and now it crosses the country a couple of times.

There is one major key difference in why the one has rocketed to the top, despite being an utter bore, while the more exciting one, wallows in the mire.

And its really rather simple.
"There is one major key difference in why the one has rocketed to the top, despite being an utter bore, while the more exciting one, wallows in the mire."

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fader418 10/20/2011 6:22pm
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JP$ could beat anyone in this thread....just sayin
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GuyB 10/20/2011 6:24pm
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Track and Trail wrote:
"There is one major key difference in why the one has rocketed to the top, despite being an utter bore, while the more exciting one, wallows...
"There is one major key difference in why the one has rocketed to the top, despite being an utter bore, while the more exciting one, wallows in the mire."

That probably helped, but I think the incident below gets more of the credit, since it was on network TV, which was rare for NASCAR back then. If you check in at the NASCAR Hall of Fame museum, I thin you'll find the same answer.

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Track and Trail wrote:
"There is one major key difference in why the one has rocketed to the top, despite being an utter bore, while the more exciting one, wallows...
"There is one major key difference in why the one has rocketed to the top, despite being an utter bore, while the more exciting one, wallows in the mire."

You mean to tell me we can't get the same mileage out of this ??? Laughing

SuperMario 10/20/2011 6:34pm
10/20/2011 6:34pm
Look how long it took after that until NASCAR really hit the big time, though.

Plus it is one thing to get people out to an event once, but to keep them coming back is another.

I have always said that once you piss off a customer, you probably have lost them for life.

There is more to it then whats in the pic and the video though.
Track and Trail 10/20/2011 6:39pm
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You mean to tell me we can't get the same mileage out of this ??? :laugh: [img]http://movies.701panduan.com/production_photo/b_18257.jpg[/img]
You mean to tell me we can't get the same mileage out of this ??? Laughing

Heh, if it came out after Winners Take All I haven't seen it. Laughing I bet any big action flick with a dirt bike jumping out of a window has done more for Joe Blow's interest in riding than any one moto movie.

GuyB, thanks for the history lesson. Nascar seemed pretty cool back when each car had a unique and "real" look!
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bish153 10/20/2011 7:12pm
10/20/2011 7:12pm Edited Date/Time 10/20/2011 7:19pm
Just make the women ride 125's, problem solved, women still get to race and you still get to hear the sound of wrapped up 125’s!
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thatdad 10/21/2011 4:31am
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bish153 wrote:
Just make the women ride 125's, problem solved, women still get to race and you still get to hear the sound of wrapped up 125’s!
Well, at least on 125s they would actually have to carry speed through the corners
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thatdad 10/21/2011 4:32am
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JP$ could beat anyone in this thread....just sayin
Yea, but we are talking about the Chaz Bono of wmx.
SuperMario 10/21/2011 4:42am
10/21/2011 4:42am
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JP$ could beat anyone in this thread....just sayin
thatdad wrote:
Yea, but we are talking about the Chaz Bono of wmx.
Glad I read this while drinking chilled orange juice and not hot coffee as it came spewing out my nose..............LOL
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Premixed 10/21/2011 5:07am
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JP$ could beat anyone in this thread....just sayin
if you are referring to Jessica Patterson, I put quite a bit of distance on her in Mulberry, FL before that track closed.

my friends and i were having our weekly 5 lap dash, last place pays the bill at Cracker Barrel on the way home, and she was on the track.

I had Chicken Fried Chicken with a side of fried ocra, free.

edit: That Chaz comment was pretty tough man, why dont you just kick JP in the dick for cryin out loud... LOL
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burn1986 10/21/2011 5:49am
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Man, this is too funny.

The fact of the matter is, the OEMs still run the AMA. No 2-strokes will be run at any SX or MX races on the same day. The OEMs have too much invested in their 4-strokes and have scared and threatened everyone in the AMA and FIM with pulling out, if their demands weren't met.

I don't like it, but that's just the way it is.

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nickm 10/21/2011 6:27am
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I dunno about replacing women's racing, but a restricted 125cc class would sure be a nice platform for up and coming riders to get some national level experience and exposure. Keep the mods limited to make sure the most anyone can have into a bike is $10K or less (claiming rule would be an easy way to do this)...you'd have an affordable class where the 14-17 year olds could learn the ropes and not worry about having to compete against big budget bikles before jumping on the 250s.
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burn1986 10/21/2011 7:22am
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Simply will not happen within the AMA
SuperMario 10/21/2011 7:56am
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Common sense that not everyone can afford expensive 250f's to race seems to elude the powers that be.

But let these kids showcase themselves affordably in front of the big factories on the same track....

Just sayin'
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burn1986 wrote:
No body said anything about racing the 125s with the girls anyway. No one said it would bring the masses back, or bring the sport back...
No body said anything about racing the 125s with the girls anyway. No one said it would bring the masses back, or bring the sport back. Does the sport need to be turned around or brought back? DC would tell you that fans attend in record numbers. The sport doesn't need to be saved yet. The fans will attend anyway, with or without a WMA or 125 class. There is just a strong following of the 125 class.
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Oh, cool, you didn't commit suicide. Glad to hear Guy. I like you, people like you. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, don't hurt yourself, it...
Oh, cool, you didn't commit suicide. Glad to hear Guy. I like you, people like you. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, don't hurt yourself, it won't do any good. Don't let the stress get to you. Being wrong is ok, just try to use facts, instead of your opinion and you can't go wrong. Facts save lives.
Fact is I almost never see you using facts just your opinions, I don't think i've ever heard a factual comment out of youWink
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newmann 10/21/2011 8:25am
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burn1986 wrote:
Simply will not happen within the AMA
Did they finally tell you to shove your petition and the opinions of 5000 people )many of them AMA members) up your ass?Smile
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burn1986 wrote:
Simply will not happen within the AMA
newmann wrote:
Did they finally tell you to shove your petition and the opinions of 5000 people )many of them AMA members) up your ass?Smile
He is getting smarter... miedos not so much....
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burn1986 10/21/2011 9:00am
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Did they finally tell you to shove your petition and the opinions of 5000 people )many of them AMA members) up your ass?Smile
Pretty Much. I actually don't have a clue as to what goes on up there in the AMA. On one hand you have Jeff Canfield, Al Ludington, and Davey Coombs saying "We're all for it," (Jeff Canfield didn't say it, but was enthused about it), and then there are comments on here from some of these members saying, "No one wants it." Yet you have almost 5000 signatures stating otherwise. I guess I've convinced myself that it is the OEMs threatening the AMA with pulling out of both series, but who knows.
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DC 10/21/2011 9:37am
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I personally like the idea of bumping the CC's up to 150, Burn, but getting anything passed through the AMA and AMA Congress is harder than it looks. If I was still on the AMA Board, then I could maybe help you out here, but I am not, and I don't know how they feel about your petition. Here's a suggestion: Call an AMA Board member or your AMA Congressman, or maybe even someone like Jeff Cernic.

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miedosoracing1 10/21/2011 9:44am
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I personally like the idea of bumping the CC's up to 150, Burn, but getting anything passed through the AMA and AMA Congress is harder than...
I personally like the idea of bumping the CC's up to 150, Burn, but getting anything passed through the AMA and AMA Congress is harder than it looks. If I was still on the AMA Board, then I could maybe help you out here, but I am not, and I don't know how they feel about your petition. Here's a suggestion: Call an AMA Board member or your AMA Congressman, or maybe even someone like Jeff Cernic.

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AMA and ProAMA have different boards, or are they still the same board, but divide time to each? I am assuming different boards, but didn't want to say that as a Fact, since I do not know. Just making sure Burn doesn't call the wrong one's. ;-)
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DC 10/21/2011 9:52am
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Premixed, when did I ever say no one would watch a 125cc race? And when did I say no one would watch a Women's race? What I said was that people leave before the last moto because it's the end of the day, and some don't have an interest in the girls' second moto. I think you would see the same thing if there was a 125cc moto.

And the argument that Alessi and Townley don't have rides because WMX is taking resources is ridiculous.

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HatersSuck 10/21/2011 10:10am
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DC wrote:
I personally like the idea of bumping the CC's up to 150, Burn, but getting anything passed through the AMA and AMA Congress is harder than...
I personally like the idea of bumping the CC's up to 150, Burn, but getting anything passed through the AMA and AMA Congress is harder than it looks. If I was still on the AMA Board, then I could maybe help you out here, but I am not, and I don't know how they feel about your petition. Here's a suggestion: Call an AMA Board member or your AMA Congressman, or maybe even someone like Jeff Cernic.

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MXsports distributes all AMA Pro motocross license's, run the biggest AMA amateur race on the planet and also the AMA Pro National's and has no say on anything AMA ???

Got it!!!
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Zycki11 10/21/2011 10:10am
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I haven't read through the thread. However the 125 is a great idea. The manufacturers won't lose by putting them on he production line again(Honda,kawi,Suzuki). Sorry to say the womans class is boron and does not draw any attention to our sport. If you provide a 125 class and make a transition year from amateurs to pro ranks. This allows manufacturers to sell more bikes, and gibes managers morerike to look at upcoming talent if they haven't signed anyone yet.

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