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Can you imagine the idiocy of waiting around for the US President to create a job for you?
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Can you imagine the idiocy of waiting around for the US President to create a job for you?
One thing that I can't understand is, all these die hard tea party republicans having an issue with giving a tax break to companies for new hires.

I thought they were all about lower taxes.
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Can you imagine the idiocy of waiting around for the US President to create a job for you?
jmar wrote:
One thing that I can't understand is, all these die hard tea party republicans having an issue with giving a tax break to companies for new...
One thing that I can't understand is, all these die hard tea party republicans having an issue with giving a tax break to companies for new hires.

I thought they were all about lower taxes.
Not to mention they are against government interference, but are angry because the government hasn't created the right economic conditions for them to retire at 65.

As someone said, there are jobs available. Knuckle aren't you affiliated with the energy field? You probably know of the utility worker shortage facing that industry.
A lifetime of McDonalds, Playstation and surfing the net doesn't prepare kids for trades these days. They're probably too fat to climb a pole anyway. I sure as hell don't want a 20 something running the local nuke plant either.
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Can you imagine the idiocy of waiting around for the US President to create a job for you?
jmar wrote:
One thing that I can't understand is, all these die hard tea party republicans having an issue with giving a tax break to companies for new...
One thing that I can't understand is, all these die hard tea party republicans having an issue with giving a tax break to companies for new hires.

I thought they were all about lower taxes.
Has there been an outcry from the right against the tax breaks Obama brought up? I haven't heard many.

That said, I can't imagine a scenario where a $4k tax break would be the deciding factor in my hiring someone that would cost me $50k/yr.+unknown benefits (Obamacare) to employ. Either you need and can afford another employee or you don't.

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9/14/2011 4:53pm Edited Date/Time 9/14/2011 4:54pm
jmar wrote:
Why are some of you so convinced that the only new job that could come of this tax break would be minimum wage. If they would...
Why are some of you so convinced that the only new job that could come of this tax break would be minimum wage.

If they would pass the tax credit for new hires, I would hire a few more guys. My lower tier guy's start out twice the minimum wage.
Frogman wrote:
Why do you need a tax cut to hire people?
jmar wrote:
Because I am on the bubble of needing a few more guys. I can get by with the employees that I have now, but it's stretching...
Because I am on the bubble of needing a few more guys. I can get by with the employees that I have now, but it's stretching out my staff. Like everyone else, I don't know if this economy is going to take a turn for the worse, and things slow down again. If it did, I would have to cut back, so you hate to hire someone that you may have to lay off in five or six months.

The tax break gives me an incentive to take that chance.
Jim, we talked about this elsewhere.
Companies hire based on NEED, not profits or tax breaks.

You either NEED additional staffing or you don't, tax breaks or higher profit doesn't matter.

Companies downsized during the recession and realized they were over-bloated and carried massive redundancy, and they can now do the same job and maintain production, even increasing production, with the smaller staff.
They don't need to hire people.

This is why companies are sitting on the sidelines with massive profits and trillions of dollars and not hiring...because they don't need to.
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This jobs bill bullshit is nothing but a gimmick to try and get a bunch of companies to hire minimum wage workers to move the unemployment...
This jobs bill bullshit is nothing but a gimmick to try and get a bunch of companies to hire minimum wage workers to move the unemployment numbers.
Give the man in California a Cigar! And condolences for having to put up with Brown and his minion of morons.
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Frogman wrote:
Why do you need a tax cut to hire people?
jmar wrote:
Because I am on the bubble of needing a few more guys. I can get by with the employees that I have now, but it's stretching...
Because I am on the bubble of needing a few more guys. I can get by with the employees that I have now, but it's stretching out my staff. Like everyone else, I don't know if this economy is going to take a turn for the worse, and things slow down again. If it did, I would have to cut back, so you hate to hire someone that you may have to lay off in five or six months.

The tax break gives me an incentive to take that chance.
flarider wrote:
Jim, we talked about this elsewhere. Companies hire based on NEED, not profits or tax breaks. You either NEED additional staffing or you don't, tax breaks...
Jim, we talked about this elsewhere.
Companies hire based on NEED, not profits or tax breaks.

You either NEED additional staffing or you don't, tax breaks or higher profit doesn't matter.

Companies downsized during the recession and realized they were over-bloated and carried massive redundancy, and they can now do the same job and maintain production, even increasing production, with the smaller staff.
They don't need to hire people.

This is why companies are sitting on the sidelines with massive profits and trillions of dollars and not hiring...because they don't need to.
Dave

Some companies, like mine, could either get by and struggle a little, or hire a few more employee's.

You shouldn't lump every company in the same basket. Some companies lay off to cut overhead and save money. Some public companies hire people the create the perception that they are growing like gangbusters to make wall street happy.

Business's have different needs, and can operate in very different ways. Your "companies hire based on need" isn't some type of, set in stone business standard. So please don't act as if a tax break for "small business" on new hires is worthless.

Again, this hasn't passed, and the details could change before it does pass.
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Can you imagine the idiocy of waiting around for the US President to create a job for you?
jmar wrote:
One thing that I can't understand is, all these die hard tea party republicans having an issue with giving a tax break to companies for new...
One thing that I can't understand is, all these die hard tea party republicans having an issue with giving a tax break to companies for new hires.

I thought they were all about lower taxes.
vet323 wrote:
Has there been an outcry from the right against the tax breaks Obama brought up? I haven't heard many. That said, I can't imagine a scenario...
Has there been an outcry from the right against the tax breaks Obama brought up? I haven't heard many.

That said, I can't imagine a scenario where a $4k tax break would be the deciding factor in my hiring someone that would cost me $50k/yr.+unknown benefits (Obamacare) to employ. Either you need and can afford another employee or you don't.
Let's see

You have people saying that it's going to be "minimum wage" work, and you are saying that's it's jobs at 50k so the 4k is no incentive.

There are jobs that are in between the the two, and yes, on those types of jobs, 4k is quite a savings.
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Can you imagine the idiocy of waiting around for the US President to create a job for you?
jmar wrote:
One thing that I can't understand is, all these die hard tea party republicans having an issue with giving a tax break to companies for new...
One thing that I can't understand is, all these die hard tea party republicans having an issue with giving a tax break to companies for new hires.

I thought they were all about lower taxes.
Not to mention they are against government interference, but are angry because the government hasn't created the right economic conditions for them to retire at 65...
Not to mention they are against government interference, but are angry because the government hasn't created the right economic conditions for them to retire at 65.

As someone said, there are jobs available. Knuckle aren't you affiliated with the energy field? You probably know of the utility worker shortage facing that industry.
A lifetime of McDonalds, Playstation and surfing the net doesn't prepare kids for trades these days. They're probably too fat to climb a pole anyway. I sure as hell don't want a 20 something running the local nuke plant either.
You know what's even funnier?

Is when people talk about how American's are willing to do the low paying jobs that the hispanic illegal's are doing. And then when something comes out of Obama's mouth about tax incentives for new hires, they act as if those jobs are worthless and below the standards of the American work force.

Again, If this passes, I will hire a few with wages in the 30k range and I don't believe that I will be a minority on this.
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Call me ignorant for not having heard of this gentleman before but...


BING "frickin" O!

Right there, plenty of truth about this nonsense of "job creation" president Obama is so fond of.

Drop this kind of thinking like the bad habit it is, and move on.

All I can say is, SHEESH!
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Can you imagine the idiocy of waiting around for the US President to create a job for you?
jmar wrote:
One thing that I can't understand is, all these die hard tea party republicans having an issue with giving a tax break to companies for new...
One thing that I can't understand is, all these die hard tea party republicans having an issue with giving a tax break to companies for new hires.

I thought they were all about lower taxes.
vet323 wrote:
Has there been an outcry from the right against the tax breaks Obama brought up? I haven't heard many. That said, I can't imagine a scenario...
Has there been an outcry from the right against the tax breaks Obama brought up? I haven't heard many.

That said, I can't imagine a scenario where a $4k tax break would be the deciding factor in my hiring someone that would cost me $50k/yr.+unknown benefits (Obamacare) to employ. Either you need and can afford another employee or you don't.
+unknown benefits (Obamacare) to employ.

Not to worry about the health care plan. I think taxes kick in next year, and the program goes into affect in 2014. If I am wrong on that, someone please feel free to correct me, because I am not totally sure. But after a year or two of collecting the taxes, the republicans are going to be successful on killing the program. Then both parties are going to fight on how, and who get's the spend the monies collected.

BTW: Killing the program isn't going to hurt my feelings. Although I feel that the cost of medical care is a real problem, this is the wrong approach to fixing the problem.
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txmxer wrote:
Unsure
jimmie wrote:
Call me ignorant for not having heard of this gentleman before but... BING "frickin" O! Right there, plenty of truth about this nonsense of "job creation"...
Call me ignorant for not having heard of this gentleman before but...


BING "frickin" O!

Right there, plenty of truth about this nonsense of "job creation" president Obama is so fond of.

Drop this kind of thinking like the bad habit it is, and move on.

All I can say is, SHEESH!
Opinion's are like assholes, everyone has one, and most everyone is wrong at one time or another.

Please explain why part of this job's bill shouldn't be put into affect? The tax incentive for new hires won't cost you a dime as a tax payer. It's offering a tax deduction for anyone willing to hire a new employee. How can that be a bad thing?

As you have said before, it doesn't fit into your business model, but that doesn't mean that it won't work with other business's.
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I don't always trust the way polls are conducted, and who knows if these numbers are correct or not. I can tell you one thing though. The majority of the people want our representatives working on putting people back to work, and getting our economy back on track. Not sitting around and acting like spoiled little kids doing their best to make the other side look bad, and using all of their resources working on an election that is over a year away. It's estimated that there will be 6 billion spent on the 2012 Presidential election. There is something very wrong with that, when this economy is in the shitter and people are out of work.

http://thinkprogress.org/progress-report/
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jmar wrote:
I don't always trust the way polls are conducted, and who knows if these numbers are correct or not. I can tell you one thing though...
I don't always trust the way polls are conducted, and who knows if these numbers are correct or not. I can tell you one thing though. The majority of the people want our representatives working on putting people back to work, and getting our economy back on track. Not sitting around and acting like spoiled little kids doing their best to make the other side look bad, and using all of their resources working on an election that is over a year away. It's estimated that there will be 6 billion spent on the 2012 Presidential election. There is something very wrong with that, when this economy is in the shitter and people are out of work.

http://thinkprogress.org/progress-report/
Best way to put people back to work? Don't let the Administration's head of jobs creation ship off all their aerospace work to China. Don't let them close a factory in Wisconsin and move it to China. Don't prosecute Boeing for opening a new factory in South Carolina while continuing their operations at the old plant in Washington.
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jmar wrote:
I don't always trust the way polls are conducted, and who knows if these numbers are correct or not. I can tell you one thing though...
I don't always trust the way polls are conducted, and who knows if these numbers are correct or not. I can tell you one thing though. The majority of the people want our representatives working on putting people back to work, and getting our economy back on track. Not sitting around and acting like spoiled little kids doing their best to make the other side look bad, and using all of their resources working on an election that is over a year away. It's estimated that there will be 6 billion spent on the 2012 Presidential election. There is something very wrong with that, when this economy is in the shitter and people are out of work.

http://thinkprogress.org/progress-report/
SteveS wrote:
Best way to put people back to work? Don't let the Administration's head of jobs creation ship off all their aerospace work to China. Don't let...
Best way to put people back to work? Don't let the Administration's head of jobs creation ship off all their aerospace work to China. Don't let them close a factory in Wisconsin and move it to China. Don't prosecute Boeing for opening a new factory in South Carolina while continuing their operations at the old plant in Washington.
I don't disagree with you on any of those points. But there is much more to our economy than aerospace work. In fact, some of that areospace work is a little like corporate entitlements, when your talking about defense work.
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Has anyone mentioned Israel? No? No shit man!
Your half Caucasian half negroid man is not considering Israel
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9/14/2011 10:00pm Edited Date/Time 9/14/2011 10:02pm
This jobs bill bullshit is nothing but a gimmick to try and get a bunch of companies to hire minimum wage workers to move the unemployment...
This jobs bill bullshit is nothing but a gimmick to try and get a bunch of companies to hire minimum wage workers to move the unemployment numbers.
Tiki wrote:
Give the man in California a Cigar! And condolences for having to put up with Brown and his minion of morons.
Like others have said, no small business is going to hire someone because of a tax break. Suppose I have this dire need for help, but I can't just cannot find the cash to hire someone. Yeah, suddenly I will take on a $40k salary+ benefits because I get a $4k bullshit deduction that my tax guy could have made up all by himself without Obamas help???

This is all about Wal-Mart and McDonald's type Fortune 500 companies being able to write off more profits so they can give those profits to "fund raising" while they replace seasonal or part-time minimum wage employees. People who would have quit and been replaced anyways.

Obama is all about the talk and the show, who cares who pays the bills. The Government knows best. Business owners cannot think for themselves.....
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flarider wrote:
Jim, we talked about this elsewhere. Companies hire based on NEED, not profits or tax breaks. You either NEED additional staffing or you don't, tax breaks...
Jim, we talked about this elsewhere.
Companies hire based on NEED, not profits or tax breaks.

You either NEED additional staffing or you don't, tax breaks or higher profit doesn't matter.

Companies downsized during the recession and realized they were over-bloated and carried massive redundancy, and they can now do the same job and maintain production, even increasing production, with the smaller staff.
They don't need to hire people.

This is why companies are sitting on the sidelines with massive profits and trillions of dollars and not hiring...because they don't need to.
Agree 100%
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Frogman wrote:
Why do you need a tax cut to hire people?
jmar wrote:
Because I am on the bubble of needing a few more guys. I can get by with the employees that I have now, but it's stretching...
Because I am on the bubble of needing a few more guys. I can get by with the employees that I have now, but it's stretching out my staff. Like everyone else, I don't know if this economy is going to take a turn for the worse, and things slow down again. If it did, I would have to cut back, so you hate to hire someone that you may have to lay off in five or six months.

The tax break gives me an incentive to take that chance.
flarider wrote:
Jim, we talked about this elsewhere. Companies hire based on NEED, not profits or tax breaks. You either NEED additional staffing or you don't, tax breaks...
Jim, we talked about this elsewhere.
Companies hire based on NEED, not profits or tax breaks.

You either NEED additional staffing or you don't, tax breaks or higher profit doesn't matter.

Companies downsized during the recession and realized they were over-bloated and carried massive redundancy, and they can now do the same job and maintain production, even increasing production, with the smaller staff.
They don't need to hire people.

This is why companies are sitting on the sidelines with massive profits and trillions of dollars and not hiring...because they don't need to.
We're looking for a maintenance mechanic at Coca cola. Yes you have to possess a skill, and you must pass a Ramses test.

Funny thing is, we've sent 3 guys through. All passed. Not hired. One guy was Vietnamese.

I wish they'd pick someone...Evidently your chances are much better if you are from African decent.

Please if you live in the DFW metroplex, and would like to work for Coke, if you're black and can work on machines, PM me.

These are high speed machines.
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jmar wrote:
I don't always trust the way polls are conducted, and who knows if these numbers are correct or not. I can tell you one thing though...
I don't always trust the way polls are conducted, and who knows if these numbers are correct or not. I can tell you one thing though. The majority of the people want our representatives working on putting people back to work, and getting our economy back on track. Not sitting around and acting like spoiled little kids doing their best to make the other side look bad, and using all of their resources working on an election that is over a year away. It's estimated that there will be 6 billion spent on the 2012 Presidential election. There is something very wrong with that, when this economy is in the shitter and people are out of work.

http://thinkprogress.org/progress-report/
SteveS wrote:
Best way to put people back to work? Don't let the Administration's head of jobs creation ship off all their aerospace work to China. Don't let...
Best way to put people back to work? Don't let the Administration's head of jobs creation ship off all their aerospace work to China. Don't let them close a factory in Wisconsin and move it to China. Don't prosecute Boeing for opening a new factory in South Carolina while continuing their operations at the old plant in Washington.
jmar wrote:
I don't disagree with you on any of those points. But there is much more to our economy than aerospace work. In fact, [u]some[/u] of that...
I don't disagree with you on any of those points. But there is much more to our economy than aerospace work. In fact, some of that areospace work is a little like corporate entitlements, when your talking about defense work.
The specifics aren't the point (though the irony of Immelt is intended). The general pattern of the activity is the issue.
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SteveS wrote:
Best way to put people back to work? Don't let the Administration's head of jobs creation ship off all their aerospace work to China. Don't let...
Best way to put people back to work? Don't let the Administration's head of jobs creation ship off all their aerospace work to China. Don't let them close a factory in Wisconsin and move it to China. Don't prosecute Boeing for opening a new factory in South Carolina while continuing their operations at the old plant in Washington.
jmar wrote:
I don't disagree with you on any of those points. But there is much more to our economy than aerospace work. In fact, [u]some[/u] of that...
I don't disagree with you on any of those points. But there is much more to our economy than aerospace work. In fact, some of that areospace work is a little like corporate entitlements, when your talking about defense work.
SteveS wrote:
The specifics aren't the point (though the irony of Immelt is intended). The general pattern of the activity is the issue.
We are in complete agreement on that.
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Yep....Obama took the mini motorcycles off the lead list....creating jobs.
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Yep....Obama took the mini motorcycles off the lead list....creating jobs.
I think that was really the AMA and some legislators...
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lumpy790 wrote:
Yep....Obama took the mini motorcycles off the lead list....creating jobs.
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I think that was really the AMA and some legislators...
So.....they forged his signature?
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lumpy790 wrote:
Yep....Obama took the mini motorcycles off the lead list....creating jobs.
SteveS wrote:
I think that was really the AMA and some legislators...
lumpy790 wrote:
So.....they forged his signature?
Robo signature....never saw any photo op of it.

The AMA's article gives no credit to him except the signature at the end.

In a victory for families who enjoy responsible motorized recreation, President Barack Obama has signed into law a bill to allow the sale of kids' off-highway vehicles (OHVs) to continue, the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) reports.

On Aug. 12, Obama signed into law H.R. 2715, introduced by Reps. Mary Bono Mack (R-Calif.) and G.K. Butterfield (D-N.C.). The measure exempts kids' OHVs from the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act (CPSIA) of 2008, known as the lead law.

The CPSIA, which went into effect on Feb. 10, 2009, banned the making, importing, distributing or selling of any product intended for children 12 and under, including kids' dirtbikes and all-terrain vehicles (ATVs), that contained more than a specified amount of lead in any accessible part that might be ingested.

H.R. 2715 cleared the House by a 421-2 vote on Aug. 1 just before lawmakers went into their summer recess, and earned Senate approval by unanimous consent the same day.

The new law is a victory that is the result of nearly three years of intensive efforts by the AMA and its partner organization, the All-Terrain Vehicle Association (ATVA), their members and millions of advocates of responsible OHV recreation.

"Federal legislators deserve a lot of thanks for their tireless efforts, especially U.S. Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.), U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) and all the other lawmakers who supported an exemption," said AMA President and CEO Rob Dingman. "Hundreds of thousands of parents, kids and motorcycling club members responded to AMA calls for action to contact their elected officials and their efforts, along with all those volunteers who circulated petitions and took other actions, brought this issue to the attention of Congress and turned the tide in our favor.

"I'm sure that those letters, emails and telephone calls to Congress had a major impact in convincing lawmakers to exempt OHVs from the lead law," Dingman said. "I'm also convinced that the AMA Family Capitol Hill Climb held on May 26 played a major role, since it put a human face on the issue by showing lawmakers the kids and families who are suffering because of the CPSIA.

"I want to thank Racer X magazine, Doublin Gap Motocross Park, Mason Dixon Riding Association 6 and 7, Tomahawk MX Park, the Middle Atlantic Motocross Association, Budds Creek Motocross Park, High Point Raceway, and advocates such as the Yentzer family and Moto-Patriot Nancy Sabater, who brought youngsters to Washington, D.C., for the AMA Family Capitol Hill Climb to lobby their lawmakers," he said.

Dingman also thanked other organizations and individuals that worked diligently on the effort, including the Motorcycle Industry Council and Specialty Vehicle Institute of America, which represent the motorcycle and ATV industries; the motorcycle enthusiast and trade media; Sean Hilbert, president of Cobra Motorcycles, which makes kids' dirtbikes; the Coombs family and Tim Cotter of MX Sports, which has conducted the famed AMA Amateur National Motocross Championship featuring thousands of promising young riders for the past 30 years, and Kirk "Hardtail" Willard, president of the Motorcycle Riders Foundation.

"I want to extend a very special thanks to Malcolm Smith, a member of the Motorcycle Hall of Fame, who brought a lot of attention to the unfairness of the lead law when he hosted a media event at Malcolm Smith Motorsports and sold some youth OHVs as a symbolic gesture to protest the law," Dingman said.

The AMA has been at the forefront of the fight to exclude child-sized motorcycles and ATVs from the CPSIA since early 2009. The association has participated in news events to focus media attention on the issue, lobbied on Capitol Hill, and organized campaigns to encourage riders and parents to contact their federal lawmakers and key decision-makers to exempt kids' OHVs from the CPSIA.

As a result, every single member of Congress, as well as members of the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), has received powerful statements from members of the AMA and ATVA.

The AMA magnified these efforts through its "Kids Just Want to Ride" campaign. To read more of what the AMA has done in its efforts to exempt kids' OHVs from the CPSIA, go to http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Rights/KeepKidMotorcyclesAndATVsLeg….

Aimed at children's toys, the CPSIA ensnared kids' dirtbikes and ATVs because trace levels of lead can be found in parts such as batteries and brake calipers. Other children's products were also affected by the CPSIA, such as books, clothes and microscopes.

The CPSC, which is responsible for implementing the CPSIA, delayed enforcement of certain parts of the law until the end of this year, granting a reprieve for child-sized dirtbikes and ATVs. That gave those concerned about the law time to change it before the reprieve ended.

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