Who is responsible for sustaining our sport?

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It used to be we all MXers & trail riders rode at the same place .......now days the segments both have their own type of places to ride so there is little cross over.

How many of YOU have seen a struggling rider and helped them to ride better and eventually compete?
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i dont think im dead wrong i too was once in this position. My dad talked to some people at the track, and before we knew...
i dont think im dead wrong

i too was once in this position. My dad talked to some people at the track, and before we knew it we were racing every weekend

I also was a new student at a new school, guess what? i sacked up and talked to people...bam friends...

Generally dealers and the simple use of a google search bar will provide you with all youll ever need to know

Its not DC's or Guyb's responsibility

if you wanna change things, go to the track make a banner saying "new riders here" and tell them of all the gum drops and rainbows in the world of mx
Ryan... I will once again reiterate my point: Your experience is not the mold by which every prospective motocross racer enters the sport. While you're able to "sack up" and make friends in an instant like "bam friends", not everyone experiences it the same way you do. Moreover, nobody said that we're going to hang banners saying "new riders here"... only an idiot with no creativity or knowledge for the motocross market would suggest such a thing. However, market research, solid strategy, creative marketing, and common sense are all things that EastFlorida has eluded to in what could be an effort to drive more attention and patronage to motocross at the local level. He is asking noble questions for what could--if taken seriously--lead to a more prosperous motocross market. You however, are quick to criticize his point--and your only justification for your position is essentially "I'm right cus that's the way it is". Life is not as black and white as you perceive it to be, and neither is motocross.
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Is it the AMA, MX Sports, NMA? Who is actively making the effort to recruit new riders/racers into our sport? Who is making a marketing effort...
Is it the AMA, MX Sports, NMA?

Who is actively making the effort to recruit new riders/racers into our sport?

Who is making a marketing effort to bring new riders into racing at the local level?

What effort is being made to bring trail riders out to tracks to ride and race?

Can anyone tell me of a national or local effort to grow our sport on a local/amature level?
EastFlorida, before I tackle your question, I've got one of my own for you.

Why are you here?

My guess is that you're here purely for your own entertainment, or to see who you can poke in the eye under the guise of "helping" the sport. And yes, I clipped the other thread that you'd posted that was pretty much in the same vein, but that had all the names of various media members in the title.

As for trying to sustain/grow the sport, I think that falls largely on parents. They're a rider's first "sponsor". They're often the ones that get them into in the first place, because they've ridden themselves, or have some interest in it. They have to approve to let junior climb aboard a bike, buy the bike and gear, and encourage their child to do it. If they're not into it, it's not going to happen. For most, riding together as a family for fun is the goal, and that's really how it should happen anyway. Making the jump to competition happens later, if at all.

I think just about anyone involved in the sport would agree that it takes a very specific personality to even want to line up on the gate. It's not for everyone, which is maybe why it appealed to a lot of us in the first place. Encouragement is awesome, but you can't force anyone to want to race. Getting trail riders to make the jump up? On their trail bikes? I'd think most of them would want a class where you didn't have to have a full-race bike.

For the most part, I see the AMA as being much more interested in being the AAA of the motorcycle world, and they're spinning off the racing side.

The NMA has their amateur events, and MX Sports obviously handles Loretta's, which is the elite of the amateur racing. Racing at that level is well beyond what you'll find at the entry level, so I'm not sure how they relate to what you're asking.

Myself? I'd think a lot of the initial encouragement would fall to parents, manufacturers, dealers, and local tracks, rather than the entities you're pointing to.
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As to the original question?

WE are.

The Shop

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Is it the AMA, MX Sports, NMA? Who is actively making the effort to recruit new riders/racers into our sport? Who is making a marketing effort...
Is it the AMA, MX Sports, NMA?

Who is actively making the effort to recruit new riders/racers into our sport?

Who is making a marketing effort to bring new riders into racing at the local level?

What effort is being made to bring trail riders out to tracks to ride and race?

Can anyone tell me of a national or local effort to grow our sport on a local/amature level?
Mr. Dingman and the American Motorcycle Association.

They have over 200,000 members, each paying close to 40 dollars a head.
MXSPORTS gives them a million a year.
I don't know how much Daytona Motorsports Group gives.
Let's just say the pull in 10 million dollars a year.

Anyone seen a TV ad on the virtues of motorcycling?
How about a radio spot on what's going on in your local area with bikes?
Anyone heard of them attacking the powers that be when a track is under the gun?

Where's the AMA?
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I've worked in the indistry as a dealership employee or as a sales rep for a distributor for over 25 years. The dirt segemt has definatly shrunk over time. A few things we could all do to make a difference in the health of the sport we love.

Dealerships:
Stop listening to 20 groups and start stocking dirtbikes again!!! The reason they don't sell is you don't have any. Over the last 15 years dealerships have placed most of their efforts on selling V-Twins to baby boomers. Now the baby boomers are getting to the age where the door swings are getting less and less. My experience is a baby boomer may buy one or two bikes...then he's on to something else...his mid-life crisis is over.
If you get a family riding they come back for bikes over and over. My 12 year old daughter started trail riding when she was hust shy of her 4th birthday. On her next birthday she's getting her 4th new bike. She's had new boots, gear, helmets, tires, chains, grips nearly evry year since she started. After her and I started riding my wife got a bike...them my 4 year old son started to ride. Oil change day and gear washing day are a pain in the ass but today we have 7 dirtbikes in the garage.

Track owners:
Build safer tracks. You need professionally designed tracks that are safe for all riders. While you're at it build a small trail on your property for people that don't want to jump...this is an opportunity to get an entire family riding. Our sport is one of the greatest when it comes to family participation. My father in law started trail riding with the rest of us when he was close to 60.
And start working with the local shops. Don't just stop in when you are asking for hole-shot awards or a sponsorship. Stop in with a revenue generating plan that the shops can partner with you on.
Pass out some free race tickets to local politicians, non-profits, schools and media outlets. If you want new participants at the events...invite some new people. Get 100 new kids out for a race and 3-4 of them will be hooked.

What can we do?
Start spending money at your local shop again. Most consumers have shifted their business to mail order or e-commerce for various reasons. Support and growth will only come from the local level. If a shop owner has seen all of his gear sales go on-line he's not going to be too pumped to make a donation at Sunday's race. Open a conversation with the store owners about how you can help out with new riders. Offer to display your bike at open houses...you may even meet a new sponsor you hadn't thought of. Although it may be a little more convenient to click away when placing your next purchase...take a look at the local track and see where the sponsorships at your track are coming from.

When I was in college I parked my dirtbikes and started windsurfing...remember that? For a brief period it was all over TV and their was even a time that it was going to be added to the X Games. Then it became so specialized and expensive that it was too complicated and too big of a pain in the ass for new people to get started. Sound a little familiar?
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The AMA didn't want to mess with racing anymore. They want to be like AAA. A towing company for street bikes.

DMG outbid all comers to the rights to race motorcycles under the AMA name maybe 5 years ago.

MXSPORTS bought what DMG didn't want, moto, xcountry, trials and hillclimb.

I believe the deal is for 10 years, at a million per year.

Anyone know anything different?
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9/9/2011 6:37am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2011 6:39am
Because I don't think that MX Sports should pay the AMA a million dollars per year to do what they didn't want to do?

Tell me how to get in on that gig cause I'd sure as hell like for someone to pay me a million dollars per year to do my job.
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reded wrote:
Because I don't think that MX Sports should pay the AMA a million dollars per year to do what they didn't want to do? Tell me...
Because I don't think that MX Sports should pay the AMA a million dollars per year to do what they didn't want to do?

Tell me how to get in on that gig cause I'd sure as hell like for someone to pay me a million dollars per year to do my job.
Nope. Because you're judging a company that stepped up to the plate, kept the series in the USA and are doing better than
anyone before or after the Dingman sellout.

Is it MXSPORTS fault that the AMA was gonna sell us down the river?

Do you think it's a cakewalk, having to improve the tracks the way everyone says they should be, or getting the royalty
fee the AMA has thrust upon them?

As far as getting a gig "like that", all you need to do is run races and award championships to the top riders in the nation for, I dunno, maybe 100 years.
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I think you're 180 out here. I'm on the side of MX Sports bro. That was my question, why are they forced to pay one million per year to clean up the AMA's mess?
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reded wrote:
I think you're 180 out here. I'm on the side of MX Sports bro. That was my question, why are they forced to pay one million...
I think you're 180 out here. I'm on the side of MX Sports bro. That was my question, why are they forced to pay one million per year to clean up the AMA's mess?
Because that's what the AMA wanted.

Sorry guy, I thought you were diggin on MXSPORTS.

Thing is, Dingman was tired of AMAProRacing making money one year, losing the next.

He wanted steady income from the racing to pump the other side, namely street bikes.
9/9/2011 6:53am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2011 6:54am
When I purchased my first bike ( Dad didn't like motorcycles) I raced my brother in a back yard oval track. I then rode the many miles of trails in my area. There were days where 5-10 of us from xr 80s to Maico 250s rode together. My first race was the first time I saw a mx track. I was told the gate drops and you go as fast as you can into the first turn. Did that and I created a substantial pileup. Loved the sport ever since. As long as there is a track even if its a small back yard track our sport will survive.
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I do in a small way. Since none of my kids wanted to race(I was cool with it)I have always helped a friends kid with racing expenses.

I tell them that if they pay for the 1st class I will pay for them to run a 2nd class. This does 2 things. First it gives them more track/race time.Secondly it helps the local organization/promoter. Only thing I ask in return is that they are respectful to their Parents,fellow racers and track officials. Been doing this for over 20 years with various kids. And I have had no regrets.
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9/9/2011 7:18am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2011 7:35am
GuyB wrote:
EastFlorida, before I tackle your question, I've got one of my own for you. Why are you here? My guess is that you're here purely for...
EastFlorida, before I tackle your question, I've got one of my own for you.

Why are you here?

My guess is that you're here purely for your own entertainment, or to see who you can poke in the eye under the guise of "helping" the sport. And yes, I clipped the other thread that you'd posted that was pretty much in the same vein, but that had all the names of various media members in the title.

As for trying to sustain/grow the sport, I think that falls largely on parents. They're a rider's first "sponsor". They're often the ones that get them into in the first place, because they've ridden themselves, or have some interest in it. They have to approve to let junior climb aboard a bike, buy the bike and gear, and encourage their child to do it. If they're not into it, it's not going to happen. For most, riding together as a family for fun is the goal, and that's really how it should happen anyway. Making the jump to competition happens later, if at all.

I think just about anyone involved in the sport would agree that it takes a very specific personality to even want to line up on the gate. It's not for everyone, which is maybe why it appealed to a lot of us in the first place. Encouragement is awesome, but you can't force anyone to want to race. Getting trail riders to make the jump up? On their trail bikes? I'd think most of them would want a class where you didn't have to have a full-race bike.

For the most part, I see the AMA as being much more interested in being the AAA of the motorcycle world, and they're spinning off the racing side.

The NMA has their amateur events, and MX Sports obviously handles Loretta's, which is the elite of the amateur racing. Racing at that level is well beyond what you'll find at the entry level, so I'm not sure how they relate to what you're asking.

Myself? I'd think a lot of the initial encouragement would fall to parents, manufacturers, dealers, and local tracks, rather than the entities you're pointing to.
Good post,Steve!
There is a huge different between just recreational riding & racing... Smile

"I think just about anyone involved in the sport would agree that it takes a very specific personality to even want to line up on the gate. It's not for everyone, which is maybe why it appealed to a lot of us in the first place. "

So very true...
Coming from the PeeWee class (or begger class) in this sport all the way up to the A/Local Pro Class is a huge task
and I think for the majority of racers from the start, that is their goal.With trying to achieve that goal comes injuries of all sorts,from minor broken bones,life changing injuries to even death at times. I cant say I have ever met anyone who has made it to the A /Local Pro Class that has not had some form of injury from racing or practicing...on a MX/SX/AX track. However,I do know plenty of recreational non-racing riders that have been riding for years and never sustained anything but a few bruises and scrapes.Now don't get me wrong recreational riding is dangerous and freak accidents happen....but I don't think the danger level is as high as racing,especially with the way the tracks are these days.

As for trying to market the sport to recruit new people into racing....I think the sport sells it self for what it is.
It's dangerous but also very rewarding to some and dedication is must.
Just don't forget to bring your wallet to the track. Smile


O'yeah...on a side a note,while on the topic of marketing & recruiting.
I always thought that the High school Motocross events were a great idea in a marketing sense
in general for attracting new fans at the local level & also recreational riding and even AM racing.
That is something that I always wished would grow to more of a national level type event with
a national televised championship race. Smile
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Is it the AMA, MX Sports, NMA? Who is actively making the effort to recruit new riders/racers into our sport? Who is making a marketing effort...
Is it the AMA, MX Sports, NMA?

Who is actively making the effort to recruit new riders/racers into our sport?

Who is making a marketing effort to bring new riders into racing at the local level?

What effort is being made to bring trail riders out to tracks to ride and race?

Can anyone tell me of a national or local effort to grow our sport on a local/amature level?
The awnser is nobody! Everybody in this is here for the money at 10,000 for a decent machine.Dont need fresh meat thay need old meat to buy new bikes, tracks are just part of the game.

Ryan never hurts to hold hands.
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motogrady wrote:
Mr. Dingman and the American Motorcycle Association. They have over 200,000 members, each paying close to 40 dollars a head. MXSPORTS gives them a million a...
Mr. Dingman and the American Motorcycle Association.

They have over 200,000 members, each paying close to 40 dollars a head.
MXSPORTS gives them a million a year.
I don't know how much Daytona Motorsports Group gives.
Let's just say the pull in 10 million dollars a year.

Anyone seen a TV ad on the virtues of motorcycling?
How about a radio spot on what's going on in your local area with bikes?
Anyone heard of them attacking the powers that be when a track is under the gun?

Where's the AMA?
Motocross track promoters (who are sanctioned by AMA) pay them quite a bit as well. It was funny because one promoter I know went up to Dingman at an AMA meeting once and said "Hi Mr. Dingman, my name is Mr. Smith and I am from Smith MX. I just wanted to say your welcome for the million dollars I've donated to your organization over the past several years". Apparently Dingman chuckled a bit and then they continued talking about ideas to help improve AMA/Promoter relations (don't know if it went anywhere).
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GuyB wrote:
EastFlorida, before I tackle your question, I've got one of my own for you. Why are you here? My guess is that you're here purely for...
EastFlorida, before I tackle your question, I've got one of my own for you.

Why are you here?

My guess is that you're here purely for your own entertainment, or to see who you can poke in the eye under the guise of "helping" the sport. And yes, I clipped the other thread that you'd posted that was pretty much in the same vein, but that had all the names of various media members in the title.

As for trying to sustain/grow the sport, I think that falls largely on parents. They're a rider's first "sponsor". They're often the ones that get them into in the first place, because they've ridden themselves, or have some interest in it. They have to approve to let junior climb aboard a bike, buy the bike and gear, and encourage their child to do it. If they're not into it, it's not going to happen. For most, riding together as a family for fun is the goal, and that's really how it should happen anyway. Making the jump to competition happens later, if at all.

I think just about anyone involved in the sport would agree that it takes a very specific personality to even want to line up on the gate. It's not for everyone, which is maybe why it appealed to a lot of us in the first place. Encouragement is awesome, but you can't force anyone to want to race. Getting trail riders to make the jump up? On their trail bikes? I'd think most of them would want a class where you didn't have to have a full-race bike.

For the most part, I see the AMA as being much more interested in being the AAA of the motorcycle world, and they're spinning off the racing side.

The NMA has their amateur events, and MX Sports obviously handles Loretta's, which is the elite of the amateur racing. Racing at that level is well beyond what you'll find at the entry level, so I'm not sure how they relate to what you're asking.

Myself? I'd think a lot of the initial encouragement would fall to parents, manufacturers, dealers, and local tracks, rather than the entities you're pointing to.
Steve, why do you think kids do anything? It's because they are persuaded to by marketing. Why do parents buy products for their kids? In many cases it's the "nag factor". Point is--marketing in motocross can absolutely be improved. Take a page out of food marketing for example. "Got Milk" had a huge impact on people's perception of milk and reason's why they should consume it. As a result, milk sales increased along with share its in the beverage market (competing with sodas, juices, etc.). Same goes for umpteenth other co-op or market organization campaigns. Here's another example: Energy Drinks. Everyone knows they're no good--and since when should an 8 year old child need more energy (caffeine)--and yet kids drink it non-stop, AND THEIR PARENTS LET THEM. Why? Marketing. Red Bull, Monster, and Rockstar get it the same way cigarette companies did decades ago... they market to kids, get them hooked early, and capitalize on a little thing called "lifetime value". In other words, why concentrate on a few tens-of-dollars when we can make them loyal early and get tens-of-thousands over one consumer's lifetime.

"Encouragement is awesome, but you can't force anyone to want to race." You're right, no one can force anyone to do anything... but we can change people's perception on motocross and influence them to want to race. Perception is reality Gibby.
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9/9/2011 8:17am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2011 8:17am
You are, East Florida. The clouds broke with and a great beam of light shone down upon you and the voice of god, like thunder, spoke thus: "you, East Florida, are my messenger, go then to all the nations, and Vital, and save MX."

9/9/2011 8:27am
My daughter is in karate, and let me tell you about promotion. She is on a demo team. Keep in mind she is 7 years old, and most in the group are aged 10-16. Anyways, they go to churches, schools, local fairs. I have been told stories about high schools here in Texas having a Motocross team. All I can say, is all those who run this sport don't care about anything but their pockets. If they really cared about this sport, everyone would have quiet motocross bikes, and AMA would promote motorcycle dealers to have demo days just like that at schools etc. I remember as a kid, we even had bmx kids come to our school and jump over teachers laying down etc. Of course legal things come into play. But there are ways, like not involving anyone from the audience to participate, just watch the demo. Just won't happen, because there is no interest from these in power groups.
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While I enjoy your humor FTE, I think EastFlorida's questions are actually quite good. And why shouldn't they be, we're talking about the sustainability of a lifestyle we all love very much... a sport that is pretty volatile at the moment. This whole thread is kinda funny too when you think about it because everyone on VitalMX are such know-it-alls, and are used to debating with that premise firmly cemented into their line of thinking, that when a serious question comes along it just falls into the same rut--with the rest of the dribble. "The most erroneous stories are those we think we know best - and therefore never scrutinize or question" Nothing ever truly has any purpose on this forum because it's all based on the idea winning short, ego filled arguments instead of using each other as sources of insight to solve a problem or come to a resolution.
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Where were you two and a half pages ago?
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My daughter is in karate, and let me tell you about promotion. She is on a demo team. Keep in mind she is 7 years old...
My daughter is in karate, and let me tell you about promotion. She is on a demo team. Keep in mind she is 7 years old, and most in the group are aged 10-16. Anyways, they go to churches, schools, local fairs. I have been told stories about high schools here in Texas having a Motocross team. All I can say, is all those who run this sport don't care about anything but their pockets. If they really cared about this sport, everyone would have quiet motocross bikes, and AMA would promote motorcycle dealers to have demo days just like that at schools etc. I remember as a kid, we even had bmx kids come to our school and jump over teachers laying down etc. Of course legal things come into play. But there are ways, like not involving anyone from the audience to participate, just watch the demo. Just won't happen, because there is no interest from these in power groups.
Exactly. And you know what the funny part is? By ignoring the bigger picture and simply staying the course on their own agendas, they are essentially tripping over dollars to pick up dimes. If they were to better organize, network, and collaborate, then they could help encourage growth in the motocross pie for everyone (i.e. more money for them and their industry). I know that people will say something like "but wait, DC and MXSports are doing such and such"... well maybe I'm not talking about MXSports; maybe I'm talking about the AMA, Feld, and other companies/organizations who are also major players in this industry who could put some dollars together to launch a long-term campaign for growing motocross. Obviously there are more factors to an industry analysis and plan than just that (e.g. political, regulatory, social, economical, environmental, etc.), but the point is that there is seemingly no answer to a very serious question: why is motocross participation dying (especially on the home front), and what can we do to turn it around?
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All of them.. the INTEREST of each one of them including the racers/riders sustain this sport.. motocross still exist because all of them is interested.
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9/9/2011 8:59am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2011 9:10am
This one turned quite humorous pretty quick. Couple things:

Thought it funny that Guy B sees the AMA for the bunch of fucking buffoons that they are. A towing service for street bikes.....LMAO. His comedy skills are improving. And this was not a jab at any of the AMA guys who are actually at the track trying to serve the sport well. To them I offer my thanks.

Who is responsible? Well, the whole group of us, you, me track owners, dealers, mfgs., promoters.........

Tracks ? Funny how I see local tracks that are geared towards 10% of the people who ride there. Our local track has a pro level rider come from the Houston area to "tune up" the track. Blind jumps, jumps with kickers on the faces, doubles, triples, whoops........ It really cracks me the hell up when they have to shut the place down because not enough people come out to support it. Not because they are stupid beyond all comprehension, but because not enough people come out to support it.

Dealers? My local Yamaha dealer tried to upsale me to a YZ450 that they had in stock when I went in to buy a new YZ125 for my 14 year old kid coming off a CR85. Didn't even offer to get me one. Stupid beyond belief.

Mfgs.? They spoiled the hell out of people with contingency for years and years. There was a lot of pissing and moaning when they tried to cut back. Should have cut back and lowered bike prices at the same time. How did they sell so many bikes back in 1974 when there was no contingency??
9/9/2011 9:08am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2011 9:09am
Well, the thing about GuyB's response, is that he speaks mainly of racing. I'm under the understanding that MX is a VERY small part of our sport. I think to get parents on board, in my opinion, is to not show them kids racing. But to show kids riding bikes in the woods, through ditches, and by lakes. (Although a current Honda hater, I will say their commercials of the I wanna ride are spot on.) Our sport will thrive if and when we promote how safe it can be, not how James Stewart puts his bike almost flat over a 120 ft jump. That side of things, sure the kids are who will dig that. But parents will not. They need to feel that whatever their kids does, they will be coming home walking. I personally, since we talk about us being responsible, talk all the time about how safe offroad riding is. I tell the people, sure MX is sometimes unsafe, but so is riding a GSXR1000 on the street. I explain to them, I take my daughter and wife to a track with 0 jumps. I feel safe taking them there, just to ride and have a family day.
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This one turned quite humorous pretty quick. Couple things: Thought it funny that Guy B sees the AMA for the bunch of fucking buffoons that they...
This one turned quite humorous pretty quick. Couple things:

Thought it funny that Guy B sees the AMA for the bunch of fucking buffoons that they are. A towing service for street bikes.....LMAO. His comedy skills are improving. And this was not a jab at any of the AMA guys who are actually at the track trying to serve the sport well. To them I offer my thanks.

Who is responsible? Well, the whole group of us, you, me track owners, dealers, mfgs., promoters.........

Tracks ? Funny how I see local tracks that are geared towards 10% of the people who ride there. Our local track has a pro level rider come from the Houston area to "tune up" the track. Blind jumps, jumps with kickers on the faces, doubles, triples, whoops........ It really cracks me the hell up when they have to shut the place down because not enough people come out to support it. Not because they are stupid beyond all comprehension, but because not enough people come out to support it.

Dealers? My local Yamaha dealer tried to upsale me to a YZ450 that they had in stock when I went in to buy a new YZ125 for my 14 year old kid coming off a CR85. Didn't even offer to get me one. Stupid beyond belief.

Mfgs.? They spoiled the hell out of people with contingency for years and years. There was a lot of pissing and moaning when they tried to cut back. Should have cut back and lowered bike prices at the same time. How did they sell so many bikes back in 1974 when there was no contingency??
Come on bikes were cheap in 1974, we all know this, so was rent ? my dad paid $70 a month, when they bought there first house in MV they shit, their mortgage payment went from $70 to $300 !! Cars were cheap, everything was cheaper. Everythings gone up, but there's a need to make this, motocross, more affordable. We have deluxe items and cheaper items, maybe we can do the same for the sport, make entry level products ! Remember when grocery stores came out with plain wrap ?? maybe we need plain wrap gear, products etc. Just a thought.

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9/9/2011 9:57am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2011 9:59am
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While I enjoy your humor FTE, I think EastFlorida's questions are actually quite good. And why shouldn't they be, we're talking about the sustainability of a...
While I enjoy your humor FTE, I think EastFlorida's questions are actually quite good. And why shouldn't they be, we're talking about the sustainability of a lifestyle we all love very much... a sport that is pretty volatile at the moment. This whole thread is kinda funny too when you think about it because everyone on VitalMX are such know-it-alls, and are used to debating with that premise firmly cemented into their line of thinking, that when a serious question comes along it just falls into the same rut--with the rest of the dribble. "The most erroneous stories are those we think we know best - and therefore never scrutinize or question" Nothing ever truly has any purpose on this forum because it's all based on the idea winning short, ego filled arguments instead of using each other as sources of insight to solve a problem or come to a resolution.
Here's the thing; it's a bit like asking who's responsible for restoring manufacturing jobs in America. The answer is lots of different groups.

There are lots of different people and groups working on lots of different things. Is this about general dirt bike riding and access to lands? Is it about creating fans of racing that might want to take it up? Is it about making it easy for a newbie to show up at the gate.

D36, dealers, BRC, MIC, the AMA all are involved in a ton of that stuff out here in the west; I can't speak for the east. There are private and public (PAL and the OHV parks) groups that can provide bikes and lessons in riding. DC and the AMA and others have spent a ton of time over the last few years on the lead law issue. The OEM still make a ton of easy new rider bikes that are cheaper than mx'ers. The major criticism people had of the OEMs a few years ago was the lack of a DT1 type entry level bike. Those bikes exist now. Honda used to have a riding stall with 50's and 70's at SX. There are so many elements to it that to ask who is responsible for it has only one answer: all of us, in the ways that we can. Wringing hands and calling out people on a web site doesn't qualify. In fact, if someone feels no one's doing anything, it's probably because that person isn't doing anything and isn't helping the people who are.
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Wow, who is responsible is for our sport is kind of an open minded question.

The reason I say this is because there are different types of riding in our sport. (Trails, MX, and dare I say it freestyle). When the outside world thinks of motocross or dirt bike riding in particular freestyle is the first to come to mind and that is where our sport is seen as bad IMO.

When I first started riding it was super low key. Me and my friends started making trails in the woods. As we met more and more people who rode, we heard about MX and what it takes to race. Coming into the racing side of things I was completely unprepared. My family and I thought my little XR 80 was perfect to go race, but we learned quickly what a stupid idea that was Laughing

What sustains our sport IMO is the community, not the industry. My friends and their families are what got me into racing and its what opened my eyes to the different types of motorcycle racing. Until the world gets an invitation into this little community of ours, our sport will always struggle to break into the mainstream.
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9/9/2011 10:11am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2011 10:12am
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This one turned quite humorous pretty quick. Couple things: Thought it funny that Guy B sees the AMA for the bunch of fucking buffoons that they...
This one turned quite humorous pretty quick. Couple things:

Thought it funny that Guy B sees the AMA for the bunch of fucking buffoons that they are. A towing service for street bikes.....LMAO. His comedy skills are improving. And this was not a jab at any of the AMA guys who are actually at the track trying to serve the sport well. To them I offer my thanks.

Who is responsible? Well, the whole group of us, you, me track owners, dealers, mfgs., promoters.........

Tracks ? Funny how I see local tracks that are geared towards 10% of the people who ride there. Our local track has a pro level rider come from the Houston area to "tune up" the track. Blind jumps, jumps with kickers on the faces, doubles, triples, whoops........ It really cracks me the hell up when they have to shut the place down because not enough people come out to support it. Not because they are stupid beyond all comprehension, but because not enough people come out to support it.

Dealers? My local Yamaha dealer tried to upsale me to a YZ450 that they had in stock when I went in to buy a new YZ125 for my 14 year old kid coming off a CR85. Didn't even offer to get me one. Stupid beyond belief.

Mfgs.? They spoiled the hell out of people with contingency for years and years. There was a lot of pissing and moaning when they tried to cut back. Should have cut back and lowered bike prices at the same time. How did they sell so many bikes back in 1974 when there was no contingency??
"Mfgs.? They spoiled the hell out of people with contingency for years and years. There was a lot of pissing and moaning when they tried to cut back. Should have cut back and lowered bike prices at the same time. How did they sell so many bikes back in 1974 when there was no contingency?? "

I don't think contingency was ever a marketing ploy to get people into racing mx in general. Smile
It was more of a way to get avid racers to switch brands & buy a new bike each year.
I think Suzuki was always the best when it came to contingency.
In 1990 we had gotten all the big am race contingency they had offered & also had a deal set-up through Suzuki with a local shop that paid $30 for 1st all the down to $5 for 7th at local races.They also gave us 25% discount on parts, labor,oil,fuel etc...at their shop.It sure did help a lot racing twice a week year around.
So I can see why some people pissed & moaned when they started pulling it.

I also think most people that get into the sport for the most part (60cc's through 450/500's) start out with a used a bike.
However,you do see a lot of peewee dads buying new bikes for their kids when they first start.
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If I may add my personal experience, maybe it will make some sense. I don't race, but my son does. The whole family rides (Mom used to race, but never pushed our son into racing) and we are fans of MX/SX. My son decided he wanted to do what he saw at the races and on tv. That's it. Now he's off to the races (no pun intended, well ok-slight pun). I would consider racing if it weren't for previous injuries from other stuff. The best thing we can do is make it family friendly, encourage kids, and make sure C class riders are C class (especially in kids). Learn, gain confidence, and they will want to race more and longer and build the sport. No simple fast solution.

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