no penelty for dungey?

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 4:08pm
Ryan Dungey wasnt penalized or anything for GOOSE ripping thru the pits but I was helping a privateer out a few years ago and we got a front flat in practice #2, came in swapped it and headed back thru the pits in 1ST gear and back onto the track for a few timed laps.
@ the finish of practice my rider was BLACK flagged and no time laps recorded for "speeding in the pits" Rules only apply to the privateers..............

FROM MXA You thought that everything was good to go at that point?
Yeah, but as I was getting my stuff on to go down to the line I yelled to another mechanic to get the bike started, but it wouldn’t fire. I started screaming! We popped the fuel tank off again, and no fuel was coming out. We switched the fuel pump out, and the tank was full of fuel, and the bike still wouldn’t start. Then we switched out all of the electrical components. The bike finally fired up. I jumped on the bike and pulled out of the pits. I almost hit Steve Giberson [Vital MX Reporter]. He wasn’t watching, and I was pinned in third or fourth gear on wet pavement going downhill. I was screaming and whiskey throttling the bike, but he still didn’t hear me. I ended up stopping with about half of an inch to spare of hitting him without crashing the bike. Ryan was down on the line without his goggles on, so he took them out of my fanny pack. I had the bike in gear with the clutch pulled in. He jumped on the bike and stalled it. At that point I thought that we were done, because twice in the pits the bike ran but then wouldn’t start once it was shut off. However, Ryan started the bike on the first kick
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*sorry for spelling, in a cast
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Was Duke still running things?
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See Nerd's article for answer.
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Track, Year and rider or it didn't happen.

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8/31/2011 11:06am Edited Date/Time 8/31/2011 11:08am
I just read somewhere (sorry, I can't remember where) (edit: Nerd's article) that there is no official rule on speeding in the pits, so it is left up to the discretion of the officials there at the time. I'm not saying there is no favoratism here, but this is what I read.

One point I would like to make is that if they were really playing favoratism - they would have held the race up for Dungey until his bike made it to the line. But they did not do this.

Maybe in your situation - it was practice and there were lots of people in the pits, but when a pro race is actually going on - there are very few people in the pits. It is basically a ghost town.
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8/31/2011 11:11am
There is no rule anywhere in the AMA rule book that would not have been "overlooked" in this particular situation and the same would apply if it had been Villopoto. Rules exist for the convenience of the the rule makers. If you disagree apparently you have not been watching-both in moto and the rest of life.
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8/31/2011 12:16pm
pilotdude wrote:
There is no rule anywhere in the AMA rule book that would not have been "overlooked" in this particular situation and the same would apply if...
There is no rule anywhere in the AMA rule book that would not have been "overlooked" in this particular situation and the same would apply if it had been Villopoto. Rules exist for the convenience of the the rule makers. If you disagree apparently you have not been watching-both in moto and the rest of life.
Show us the rule instead of spouting off.
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Missing the start and have to come through the pack isn't a penelty enough?
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8/31/2011 12:23pm
mxRob wrote:
Missing the start and have to come through the pack isn't a penelty enough?
not if others get penalized and they are playing favorites, then no. gdamn
8/31/2011 12:51pm
pilotdude wrote:
There is no rule anywhere in the AMA rule book that would not have been "overlooked" in this particular situation and the same would apply if...
There is no rule anywhere in the AMA rule book that would not have been "overlooked" in this particular situation and the same would apply if it had been Villopoto. Rules exist for the convenience of the the rule makers. If you disagree apparently you have not been watching-both in moto and the rest of life.
The AMA needs Dungey more than Dungey needs the AMA.
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8/31/2011 12:52pm
whats your point........?

Life's not fair, why should Motocross.
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8/31/2011 12:57pm
mxRob wrote:
Missing the start and have to come through the pack isn't a penelty enough?
for his own bike malfunctioning? right...shit happens, this time it just happened to be Dungey. if there is a rule on speeding in the pits, it still should have been heeded, even if the moto has started and he is about to be lapped.
8/31/2011 12:59pm
Goose was pinned in 3rd or 4th gear with no helmet on and almost hit Guyb.

This could have easily turned into a serious injury or even a fatality.

Can you imagine what this would've done for the sport???
8/31/2011 1:07pm
TripleFive wrote:
Goose was pinned in 3rd or 4th gear with no helmet on and almost hit Guyb. This could have easily turned into a serious injury or...
Goose was pinned in 3rd or 4th gear with no helmet on and almost hit Guyb.

This could have easily turned into a serious injury or even a fatality.

Can you imagine what this would've done for the sport???
As much of a fan of Dungey as I am...this is 100% the truth.

Even if it would have cost RD a chance at the championship, putting others at risk by flying through the pits isn't the way to go.
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8/31/2011 1:14pm
TripleFive wrote:
Goose was pinned in 3rd or 4th gear with no helmet on and almost hit Guyb. This could have easily turned into a serious injury or...
Goose was pinned in 3rd or 4th gear with no helmet on and almost hit Guyb.

This could have easily turned into a serious injury or even a fatality.

Can you imagine what this would've done for the sport???
Exactly, yet the AMA official saw nothing worth penalizing Dungey for...Kinda makes ya wonder..
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8/31/2011 1:21pm
TripleFive wrote:
Goose was pinned in 3rd or 4th gear with no helmet on and almost hit Guyb. This could have easily turned into a serious injury or...
Goose was pinned in 3rd or 4th gear with no helmet on and almost hit Guyb.

This could have easily turned into a serious injury or even a fatality.

Can you imagine what this would've done for the sport???
key word here "could have" it didn't so fine him (them) donate to Doc Bodnar and the medical crew...move on. Make a rule and be done with it.

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8/31/2011 1:23pm
mxRob wrote:
Missing the start and have to come through the pack isn't a penelty enough?
SethGator wrote:
for his own bike malfunctioning? right...shit happens, this time it just happened to be Dungey. if there [u]is[/u] a rule on speeding in the pits, it...
for his own bike malfunctioning? right...shit happens, this time it just happened to be Dungey. if there is a rule on speeding in the pits, it still should have been heeded, even if the moto has started and he is about to be lapped.
I guess you should have read Steve Cox's interview with Jeff Canfield (AMA/MXSports Ref) yesterday, there is NO such rule. I hate the whole woulda, coulda, shoulda crap, there are no If's in real life, it either happened or it didn't.

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8/31/2011 1:40pm
TripleFive wrote:
The AMA needs Dungey more than Dungey needs the AMA.
I agree with this in a roundabout way. The AMA would have lost some points in the TV ratings if Villopoto went 25 points up on Dungey. Now we're at a 5 point split with the top two guys rather than 25 points if Goose decided to slow down. More people will keep watching due to the closeness of the competition. It isn't fair to a privateer but like Clutchy said, life isn't fair.
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8/31/2011 1:42pm
mxRob wrote:
Missing the start and have to come through the pack isn't a penelty enough?
SethGator wrote:
for his own bike malfunctioning? right...shit happens, this time it just happened to be Dungey. if there [u]is[/u] a rule on speeding in the pits, it...
for his own bike malfunctioning? right...shit happens, this time it just happened to be Dungey. if there is a rule on speeding in the pits, it still should have been heeded, even if the moto has started and he is about to be lapped.
I guess you should have read Steve Cox's interview with Jeff Canfield (AMA/MXSports Ref) yesterday, there is [b]NO [/b]such rule. I hate the whole woulda, coulda...
I guess you should have read Steve Cox's interview with Jeff Canfield (AMA/MXSports Ref) yesterday, there is NO such rule. I hate the whole woulda, coulda, shoulda crap, there are no If's in real life, it either happened or it didn't.

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i still waitin' for dem sweet pics
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8/31/2011 1:55pm
I guess you should have read Steve Cox's interview with Jeff Canfield (AMA/MXSports Ref) yesterday, there is [b]NO [/b]such rule. I hate the whole woulda, coulda...
I guess you should have read Steve Cox's interview with Jeff Canfield (AMA/MXSports Ref) yesterday, there is NO such rule. I hate the whole woulda, coulda, shoulda crap, there are no If's in real life, it either happened or it didn't.

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yeah, he was either speeding in the pits or not..."it either happened or it didn't." isn't that just another way of saying "IF"
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I guess you should have read Steve Cox's interview with Jeff Canfield (AMA/MXSports Ref) yesterday, there is [b]NO [/b]such rule. I hate the whole woulda, coulda...
I guess you should have read Steve Cox's interview with Jeff Canfield (AMA/MXSports Ref) yesterday, there is NO such rule. I hate the whole woulda, coulda, shoulda crap, there are no If's in real life, it either happened or it didn't.

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SethGator wrote:
yeah, he was either speeding in the pits or not..."it either happened or it didn't." isn't that just another way of saying "IF"
My first half of my sentence was to you, there is no rule. 2nd half was to others and to you now he was speeding, so no "if" there, and he didn't hit anyone so no "if" there. No rule was broken of a rule that wasn't there, so no"if" again.

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8/31/2011 2:11pm
The AMA rules state that there is a 10mph speed limit in the pits.
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My first half of my sentence was to you, there is no rule. 2nd half was to others and to you now he was speeding, so...
My first half of my sentence was to you, there is no rule. 2nd half was to others and to you now he was speeding, so no "if" there, and he didn't hit anyone so no "if" there. No rule was broken of a rule that wasn't there, so no"if" again.

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But there IS a rule........

Someone merely forgot to do the research on it.
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8/31/2011 2:22pm
TripleFive wrote:
Goose was pinned in 3rd or 4th gear with no helmet on and almost hit Guyb. This could have easily turned into a serious injury or...
Goose was pinned in 3rd or 4th gear with no helmet on and almost hit Guyb.

This could have easily turned into a serious injury or even a fatality.

Can you imagine what this would've done for the sport???
As much of a fan of Dungey as I am...this is 100% the truth. Even if it would have cost RD a chance at the championship...
As much of a fan of Dungey as I am...this is 100% the truth.

Even if it would have cost RD a chance at the championship, putting others at risk by flying through the pits isn't the way to go.
my point
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8/31/2011 2:29pm
TripleFive wrote:
Goose was pinned in 3rd or 4th gear with no helmet on and almost hit Guyb. This could have easily turned into a serious injury or...
Goose was pinned in 3rd or 4th gear with no helmet on and almost hit Guyb.

This could have easily turned into a serious injury or even a fatality.

Can you imagine what this would've done for the sport???
As much of a fan of Dungey as I am...this is 100% the truth. Even if it would have cost RD a chance at the championship...
As much of a fan of Dungey as I am...this is 100% the truth.

Even if it would have cost RD a chance at the championship, putting others at risk by flying through the pits isn't the way to go.
Quite agree,I'm sure judgement can often get clouded in certain situations but at the end of the day this guy has been around the scene a long time and probably should have known better,but again when under pressure these things can happen,it's,probably fair to say it won't be allowed to happen again though
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My first half of my sentence was to you, there is no rule. 2nd half was to others and to you now he was speeding, so...
My first half of my sentence was to you, there is no rule. 2nd half was to others and to you now he was speeding, so no "if" there, and he didn't hit anyone so no "if" there. No rule was broken of a rule that wasn't there, so no"if" again.

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APLMAN99 wrote:
But there IS a rule........

Someone merely forgot to do the research on it.
So then my original post stands fine them give the $$ to Doc Bodnar Smile

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8/31/2011 2:57pm
I wish I had as little to worry about in my life, so this "speeding" through the pits was on my radar.

Doesn't matter who did it. 5, 2, 22, or 997.. Since the AMA rules apply, and there is a track referee at each event, they will define what applies and what defines a broken rule.

The only input needed is from an official on site, and the definition of what they feel happened. Some of the stuff here is based on such foolishness it's amazing. I guess those would be facts, and we wouldn't want to interupt posting with those pesky things now would we...
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Here is the rule in question.

2.8 Pit / Paddock Regulations

d. Operation of a motor vehicle, including but not limited to a motorcycle, golf cart, ATV, or utility vehicle, in the paddock must be
at a very slow, acceptable speed (10 MPH maximum).

Glossary: The following definitions and abbreviations are adopted for use in these Rules.

Paddock - Designated area primarily used for maintenance of event-entered
competition motorcycles. May also include parking area for motorcycle transport
and support vehicles

Pits - Designated area directly adjacent to the racetrack that may include
staging and signal zones. Access is limited to mechanics, officials or those
with appropriate track pass credentials
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My first half of my sentence was to you, there is no rule. 2nd half was to others and to you now he was speeding, so...
My first half of my sentence was to you, there is no rule. 2nd half was to others and to you now he was speeding, so no "if" there, and he didn't hit anyone so no "if" there. No rule was broken of a rule that wasn't there, so no"if" again.

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APLMAN99 wrote:
But there IS a rule........

Someone merely forgot to do the research on it.
There's a rule about speeding between the paddock and the race track?

Care to tell me where?

And who "forgot"? Because I got my info directly from an official.
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nc_mx_kid wrote:
Ryan Dungey wasnt penalized or anything for GOOSE ripping thru the pits but I was helping a privateer out a few years ago and we got...
Ryan Dungey wasnt penalized or anything for GOOSE ripping thru the pits but I was helping a privateer out a few years ago and we got a front flat in practice #2, came in swapped it and headed back thru the pits in 1ST gear and back onto the track for a few timed laps.
@ the finish of practice my rider was BLACK flagged and no time laps recorded for "speeding in the pits" Rules only apply to the privateers..............

FROM MXA You thought that everything was good to go at that point?
Yeah, but as I was getting my stuff on to go down to the line I yelled to another mechanic to get the bike started, but it wouldn’t fire. I started screaming! We popped the fuel tank off again, and no fuel was coming out. We switched the fuel pump out, and the tank was full of fuel, and the bike still wouldn’t start. Then we switched out all of the electrical components. The bike finally fired up. I jumped on the bike and pulled out of the pits. I almost hit Steve Giberson [Vital MX Reporter]. He wasn’t watching, and I was pinned in third or fourth gear on wet pavement going downhill. I was screaming and whiskey throttling the bike, but he still didn’t hear me. I ended up stopping with about half of an inch to spare of hitting him without crashing the bike. Ryan was down on the line without his goggles on, so he took them out of my fanny pack. I had the bike in gear with the clutch pulled in. He jumped on the bike and stalled it. At that point I thought that we were done, because twice in the pits the bike ran but then wouldn’t start once it was shut off. However, Ryan started the bike on the first kick
Do you feel Dungey should be penalized?

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