RMZ Sprocket bolts

Holmes
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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 3:46pm
Having problems with the bolts loosening after one ride Heres what weve been through.


Owned a 2008 rmz 450 Changed from stock to aftermarket after 12 hours or so. Changed the bolts also with one of those

bolt kits. They come with red loctite applied. Loosened up , watched them for a while and they seemed ok. Lost a couple

and trashed out the hub. New hub installed, new sprocket ,bolts, even went back to stock bolts. They would loosen till the

day we sold that bike. New beginning, 2010 rmz 450 stock sprocket needs changing, found three loose. Here we go again.

Changed everything and its happening. Here's some things I've tried. Set to torque. Stiffened them real snug. Tightened

them to the point where I thought I would break them???????? I always hold the bolt with the allen wrench and turn the

nut. Tried washer and no washer.. Thanks
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mxryder231
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8/21/2011 12:04pm
You could be overtightening them causing the threads to stretch and not hold them tight. I would only think get a good well known sproket not sure what your running. Ex: rental or pro taper. Get the stock bolts and nuts and apply red loctite then torque the nuts not the Allen head. Sorry if you tried this. But sounds like your stretching the threads causing them to loosen up.
mx5471
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8/21/2011 3:22pm
I have always used the stock bolts with blue loctite and never had a problem. I would try what mxryder231 suggests.
8/21/2011 3:55pm Edited Date/Time 8/24/2011 3:04pm
On older RM's I have used a little tapping compound in the counter sink part of the bolt and sprocket then with a power drive spin the bolt with out the nut to seat the bolt into the sprocket then use loctite and torque the bolts to 16/18 foot pounds.
Holmes
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8/21/2011 5:10pm
MX rider 231 thanks we have tried torque settings and always hold the allen head while turning the nut. Raced

back in the late seventies and these bikes are my sons. Been at it for ten years with him and I'm baffled. Never happened

with any other bike, had about 20 for him even the Suzuki Rm and the RMZ's 250. We use Pro Taper this year and on

the 0 8 were using Renthal. Mx5471 tried the stock ones to no avail. Do you own an RMZ because other people

I talk to they have no problem either? Must be me. X National Wrench your theory is always something I've though

about because the bolt almost looks raised up from the sprocket and then maybe it wears and loosens? Another

thing is the bolt circumferance is not as great as the hole in the hub, I'll try some of the suggestions. Thanks

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Rob_Miller
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8/22/2011 1:58pm
Ive got an 06 RMZ450 that the sprocket bolts like to come loose. I just check them after every ride along with my spokes. Sometimes they are a little loose, most of the time they arent. This was with stock and aftermarket sprockets, its just always been that way! (for me anyhow) But its also not the only bike i have ever had do it either.
mx5471
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8/22/2011 3:40pm
Holmes, I said I always used the stock bolts with no problem.
kripple428
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8/23/2011 11:29pm
Yeah I would try the blue loctite thats what I use and never had any problems and the red loctite is a pain bought a bike and they put red loctite and the sprocket/rotor oh yeah good luck getting that out ended up having to use a torch to heat the bolts out so we could get em out
rmgsxr
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8/26/2011 7:19am
I have a CRF250 that I am replacing a hub on right now for a friend. It happens on other bikes.

If the sprocket gets loose one time it is about done. When the bolts hammer inside the hub they egg shape the holes and the sprocket will not stay tight after that.

I have a 2011 KTM 65 and my kid went riding with some friends for a couple of days and the bike didn't get checked. Bolts got loose, egg shaped the holes in the hub and they wouldn't stay tight. Four rides on a new bike and I bought a new hub.
rmgsxr
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8/26/2011 7:20am
Oh, my nephew races the A class on a RM-Z250 and 450, never have replaced a hub.
mxtech1
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8/26/2011 7:45am
One thing you might want to do is pull your wheel and tire off and check for the trueness of the wheel. I most usually see this problem when a wheel has loose spokes and has become untrue. When this happens the force from the chain pull will not be distrubuted equally around the hub/sprocket causing different amounts of force on the bolts. This will cause them to loosen. Pull your wheel seals out and measure the depth of the bearings (from the top of the hub down to the surface of the bearing) in several spots around the circumference of the bearing to make sure they haven't cocked and are allowing the axle to run true through the wheel.

Also check with a steel rule that youre axle is even in the swingarm. Don't use the tick marks in the swingarm because they aren't that acurate - I have seen cases where the axle is supposedly aligned perfectly with the tick marks, but when measured with a steel rule it was off by 1/16." Doesn't seem like much, but when you figure in the distance the chain travels from sprocket center to center, it can amplify the geomtery to be off by 1/8 to 1/4"

Make sure you're using grade 8 hardware. Blue locktite is all that's needed. Make sure the bolt head is bottomed out in the countersink before your cinch the nut down. Torque to spec while making sure you are applying lots of inward pressure to ensure the bolt head isn't backing out of the countersink. If the bolt head is backing outing, you aren't getting a true torque pressure on both sides. The locknut will be the only part torqued right, but in that scenario it can already move around by the amount the bolt head has backed off. This is the start of how they become loose.

The last thing i usually do is safety wire the locknut on. Use 1 strand of wire after you've properly torqued the nuts down. Place the safety wire on the first visible thread after the locknut. Twist it down tight, cut the twist down to 1/4"" and then bend it over the thread. This can be a lifesaver because even if you still have a locknut loosen, it can only back off up to the safety wire which will prevent you from shearing bolts, sprockets, and hubs. You still need to check them freqeuntly though. I check mine every time I change the oil, which is a pretty good basis.

If you do all the above, you won't have this problem anymore.

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