Wrecks & the mental side of it

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 10:37pm
So as the title states, we all know that crashes & wrecks are a part of the sport & I've had my fair share of them of late. Of recent I had two get offs on my bike to where I had to bail off the bike & pretty much take the rest of the flight w/o the bike. SO I just got back out about 3 weeks ago, went trail riding since I've been having my problems at the track of late. Everything was okay there, took me awhile to get in my groove but I find myself doubting myself & the machine at times. So Yesterday I decide to hit the track & actually go to the track where I had my last spill in March. Rode okay but man I have lost some speed & my mentality & confidence isn't there, I know seat time is one of the only ways I can get it back but any pointers on the mental side & how to overcome it. I basically have developed a little fear & mistrust with myself & the machine. Let's call it Ricky Bobby syndrome. I was timid at times to hit jumps that I have jumped probably 1000 times if not more in my life.
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5/27/2011 11:58am
I still have problems passing slower riders after one broke my femur, don't know if I'll ever get over that
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after wrecking seriously hard twice in 2 weeks (how i didnt break anything is a miracle),
i could not get back up to speed and i had no confidence.

it sounds stupid, but i changed my number, i ran 86 when i crashed, and i changed to 511, after my number changed i was back up to speed,confident and ready to get back racing.
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5/27/2011 12:17pm
Barrett57 wrote:
after wrecking seriously hard twice in 2 weeks (how i didnt break anything is a miracle), i could not get back up to speed and i...
after wrecking seriously hard twice in 2 weeks (how i didnt break anything is a miracle),
i could not get back up to speed and i had no confidence.

it sounds stupid, but i changed my number, i ran 86 when i crashed, and i changed to 511, after my number changed i was back up to speed,confident and ready to get back racing.
Yeah I fell you there, I had two get offs in two months almost identical. Walked away with some bumps & bruises but no broken bones or tears thankfully! Just pulled my ego & strained my pride lol

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Yeah I fell you there, I had two get offs in two months almost identical. Walked away with some bumps & bruises but no broken bones...
Yeah I fell you there, I had two get offs in two months almost identical. Walked away with some bumps & bruises but no broken bones or tears thankfully! Just pulled my ego & strained my pride lol
just watched your video, you were lucky to walk away from that!!

how was your bike after it? looked like there was plastic flying everywhere?
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Yeah I fell you there, I had two get offs in two months almost identical. Walked away with some bumps & bruises but no broken bones...
Yeah I fell you there, I had two get offs in two months almost identical. Walked away with some bumps & bruises but no broken bones or tears thankfully! Just pulled my ego & strained my pride lol
Barrett57 wrote:
just watched your video, you were lucky to walk away from that!! how was your bike after it? looked like there was plastic flying everywhere?
just watched your video, you were lucky to walk away from that!!

how was your bike after it? looked like there was plastic flying everywhere?
The rear end of the bike blew up pretty much. The subframe snapped in half towards the back all the plastics fell off the bike from the seat back. The Air box blew up on the left side and exhaust bent. It actually came out pretty good considering the cart wheeling. Yeah my grandpa had just passed away lie a week prior I'm thinking I had some luck & someone looking over me that day. Now any jump that comes out of a corner I'm struggling b/c I don't trust to lean the bike over, & the moment the rear end does anything I panic.
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5/27/2011 12:27pm
if you cant get over it then dont ride...all you are asking for is another wreck. you have to be confident in your riding...
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Ride easier tracks...vet tracks, etc. Let it come back to you and don't rush it.

If you treat every track-day as a clinic...ya might even get faster!

Good luck.
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5/27/2011 1:10pm
I would suggest that you try something a little different.
Start a solid training program with your local conditioning specialist. When you build strength, muscle endurance and cardio it makes you mentally strong also. This will transfer over to the bike and you will feel the difference.
If you must ride then go on trail rides, work on turns, figure 8s etc. work on your weaknesses and make them your strengths. All of the the above will transfer when you get onto the track. Keep a positive attitude and when you start to think negative immediately say something out loud that is positive, you will be back in no time and probably faster and safer.
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I can relate, good luck getting back in the swing without getting injured again.

I kinda had a triple whammy...about the time I was turning 50, I tore my ACL which wasn't too bad but then when I had just recovered from that, I had a get off that broke most the ribs on my left side, punctured my lung and broke my collarbone in a few places. In that same fall I ended up knocking myself out for a while and the bad part about the concussion is that I've had about 8 of them through the years and this last one really seemed to put a dent in what riding skills I had.

I've been making a big effort to ride mellow and have fun.
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5/27/2011 3:21pm
Barrett57 wrote:
after wrecking seriously hard twice in 2 weeks (how i didnt break anything is a miracle), i could not get back up to speed and i...
after wrecking seriously hard twice in 2 weeks (how i didnt break anything is a miracle),
i could not get back up to speed and i had no confidence.

it sounds stupid, but i changed my number, i ran 86 when i crashed, and i changed to 511, after my number changed i was back up to speed,confident and ready to get back racing.
I did this too, changed my number to 0 until I got some mojo back. I got tired of explaining why I was floundering in the middle of the pack to guys who knew me.
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5/27/2011 3:24pm
I had this exact conversation with a riding buddy of mine about an hour ago. I had a really bad get off in september where I broke my right humorous, elbow, and suffered a concussion. I spent four days in the hospital, and then 3 months at home unable to work. I have been riding a few times, I am getting it back slowly but surely. The important thing to remember is that we ride because it is fun, and not pressure your self into anything you are not ready for yet. That is what I tell myself anyway.
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Watch this very closely. Watch it twice. I went into a little more detail on the show in the MA800 thread. All I can say is...watch it. It might be the most important few minutes of your life.

http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/#clip475056
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I am really cautious riding. Even if i lose some time, couple positions in a weekend racee doesn't mater. I'm not riding to my full potential but haven't crashed hard in years so it's good. Y only risk it in slow sections!
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Go over your bike setup very carefully. Make sure your spring rates and sag are spot on, front and rear. Fresh tires. etc. etc. Go over the whole bike with a fine tooth comb and make sure everything is 100%. Confidence in the bike and its handling is very important.
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nytsmaC wrote:
Go over your bike setup very carefully. Make sure your spring rates and sag are spot on, front and rear. Fresh tires. etc. etc. Go over...
Go over your bike setup very carefully. Make sure your spring rates and sag are spot on, front and rear. Fresh tires. etc. etc. Go over the whole bike with a fine tooth comb and make sure everything is 100%. Confidence in the bike and its handling is very important.
Damn straights...and...get that jetting SPOT-ON!
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Well......I have to say , when I got into my bad wreck in 05' , I ended up taking a little over 5 years off. I was basically done with the riding aspect of the sport. I started riding again this past August and Sept of 2010 , then just took another 5 -6 months off because of this shit weather.

Just started back up again a few weeks ago. I think for myself , that when I started riding again this past Aug-Sept , I really didn't know what to expect. I had total confidence in my bike ( 2010 Yamaha 450 ) , but I was unsure about myself....and other riders. I got better towards the end of that 7 week riding period , but I still find myself looking around a little , wondering where other riders are at. It's kind of hard to explain , but I still have thoughts of people coming strait at me , like what happened in my wreck.

It's not "Just on the bike".....I can be just sitting at home chilling out , thinking about riding , and then all of a sudden I get this little flash of a front fender coming at me. It's not nearly as much as was those first couple years , but I still get it. It doesn't matter though....because I love to ride , and I missed it a lot , so I'm glad I came back to the sport. I bought that bike last summer , on a spur of the moment type thing , and this year I'm coming in a little more prepared.

All I can say is....everyone is different. And no matter what anyone here tells you....it boils down to the way "You feel".....not anyone else. I completely understand where you are coming from though. I just try to put it out of my mind and not think about it , because if you let those bad thoughts ruin the fun , or the sport itself , then you might as well just hang up your boots.

As far as that goes....good luck man. And remember.....just have fun with it.
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5/27/2011 8:56pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2011 9:00pm
I'm gonna be honest here.
Making a video of your X-rays set to music in a way is focusing on your injuries, almost celebrating it. I know that might piss you off- but in this sport there is tendency to see yourself as a hero for being injured.
You are on your way to focusing way too much on being hurt, and showing everybody what you have been through. A lot of motocrossers have this tendency. It's like guys who make us look at their X-rays and nasty surgical scars in their avatars. You are highlighting the danger, you are highlighting what has happened to your body. You are not only reliving your crash and your injury over and over again. You are constantly imprinting and reinforcing the fact this is a super -dangerous sport that can have life changing consequences in a split second.

I kind of feel the same way about RV running videos of his mangled leg in front of thousands of people right before he takes to the track. I'm not judging you, I am just suggesting you are focusing ont the wrong things. You should be putting that crap out of your mind, not re-living it over and over.
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5/27/2011 10:14pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2011 10:24pm
What you are experiencing is totally natural. Ever notice how every pro riders brush off their wrecks as just random freak mishaps? If they didn't tell themselves stuff like that they would likely be riding with fear, which they can't do at that level.

Your best bet is just to build back your confidence slowly. It's not going to come back over night, but just take baby steps and work your confidence back up to where it was. Go out and take it easy and your confidence should gradually come back (it may take months). The most important thing is that your riding experiences are positive! If you go out and push it too hard and have another bad wreck, that's just going to do more damage to your confidence and make the mental hurdle you are trying to jump twice as big.

There's actually a mental re-framing therapy technique my co-worker was telling me about the other day. If I remember to, I'll ask her what it is called and give you some REALLY good advice (it would be good for this situation). I just can't think of what it is called right now.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Well......I have to say , when I got into my bad wreck in 05' , I ended up taking a little over 5 years off. I...
Well......I have to say , when I got into my bad wreck in 05' , I ended up taking a little over 5 years off. I was basically done with the riding aspect of the sport. I started riding again this past August and Sept of 2010 , then just took another 5 -6 months off because of this shit weather.

Just started back up again a few weeks ago. I think for myself , that when I started riding again this past Aug-Sept , I really didn't know what to expect. I had total confidence in my bike ( 2010 Yamaha 450 ) , but I was unsure about myself....and other riders. I got better towards the end of that 7 week riding period , but I still find myself looking around a little , wondering where other riders are at. It's kind of hard to explain , but I still have thoughts of people coming strait at me , like what happened in my wreck.

It's not "Just on the bike".....I can be just sitting at home chilling out , thinking about riding , and then all of a sudden I get this little flash of a front fender coming at me. It's not nearly as much as was those first couple years , but I still get it. It doesn't matter though....because I love to ride , and I missed it a lot , so I'm glad I came back to the sport. I bought that bike last summer , on a spur of the moment type thing , and this year I'm coming in a little more prepared.

All I can say is....everyone is different. And no matter what anyone here tells you....it boils down to the way "You feel".....not anyone else. I completely understand where you are coming from though. I just try to put it out of my mind and not think about it , because if you let those bad thoughts ruin the fun , or the sport itself , then you might as well just hang up your boots.

As far as that goes....good luck man. And remember.....just have fun with it.
I think I've read about your crash before on here.

Man, that sounds extremely rough and life threatening Sad I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but what you are describing sounds very similar to what veterans experience after they come back home from combat. Hope things continue to get better for you.
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It's important to put your goals in to perspective, imo. Fear and hesitation are not bad at all if you are riding mostly for fun. If you want to be a top professional racer, you would have to pretty much lie to yourself or do whatever it takes to get over the memories of crashing. Just like Hank says above, the professional racer is amazing at accomplishing their objectives. Most of these guys come back from injury time and time again at near full speed. It is quite amazing, but that is their job.

Racing motocross, I never fully understood the mental aspect of it. It wasn't until I started road racing that I did understand what these types of feelings can do and how they can impact your performance.

If you aren't comfortable, don't push it.

Most times racing motocross, I wouldn't do certain things while practicing that I would do in the race. There is always a risk and reward.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Well......I have to say , when I got into my bad wreck in 05' , I ended up taking a little over 5 years off. I...
Well......I have to say , when I got into my bad wreck in 05' , I ended up taking a little over 5 years off. I was basically done with the riding aspect of the sport. I started riding again this past August and Sept of 2010 , then just took another 5 -6 months off because of this shit weather.

Just started back up again a few weeks ago. I think for myself , that when I started riding again this past Aug-Sept , I really didn't know what to expect. I had total confidence in my bike ( 2010 Yamaha 450 ) , but I was unsure about myself....and other riders. I got better towards the end of that 7 week riding period , but I still find myself looking around a little , wondering where other riders are at. It's kind of hard to explain , but I still have thoughts of people coming strait at me , like what happened in my wreck.

It's not "Just on the bike".....I can be just sitting at home chilling out , thinking about riding , and then all of a sudden I get this little flash of a front fender coming at me. It's not nearly as much as was those first couple years , but I still get it. It doesn't matter though....because I love to ride , and I missed it a lot , so I'm glad I came back to the sport. I bought that bike last summer , on a spur of the moment type thing , and this year I'm coming in a little more prepared.

All I can say is....everyone is different. And no matter what anyone here tells you....it boils down to the way "You feel".....not anyone else. I completely understand where you are coming from though. I just try to put it out of my mind and not think about it , because if you let those bad thoughts ruin the fun , or the sport itself , then you might as well just hang up your boots.

As far as that goes....good luck man. And remember.....just have fun with it.
I think I've read about your crash before on here. Man, that sounds extremely rough and life threatening :( I don't mean to sound like a...
I think I've read about your crash before on here.

Man, that sounds extremely rough and life threatening Sad I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but what you are describing sounds very similar to what veterans experience after they come back home from combat. Hope things continue to get better for you.
Thank you Hank....for your kind words. You know , after racing and riding for 35+ years or so , I have had some real doozies when it comes to wreckin'......not gonna lie. I think this last major one I had was probably the worst I had ever had in my entire life , but it didn't help having it happen to me so much "later" in life....ya know? It was just one of those freak things you never thought could happen......and it happened. Who would of thought about another rider just jumping out on the track , going backwards , meeting up at probably the fastest ( and most blind ) corner on the whole track....and hitting wheel to wheel?

That weird flashback / thought is the main reason I stepped away from the sport for 5 years. I wasn't going to let that fear ruin my chance at having fun in the only true sport I care about......motocross.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Thank you Hank....for your kind words. You know , after racing and riding for 35+ years or so , I have had some real doozies when...
Thank you Hank....for your kind words. You know , after racing and riding for 35+ years or so , I have had some real doozies when it comes to wreckin'......not gonna lie. I think this last major one I had was probably the worst I had ever had in my entire life , but it didn't help having it happen to me so much "later" in life....ya know? It was just one of those freak things you never thought could happen......and it happened. Who would of thought about another rider just jumping out on the track , going backwards , meeting up at probably the fastest ( and most blind ) corner on the whole track....and hitting wheel to wheel?

That weird flashback / thought is the main reason I stepped away from the sport for 5 years. I wasn't going to let that fear ruin my chance at having fun in the only true sport I care about......motocross.
You are welcome Smile It sounds like you have a deep passion for motocross, so I'm glad you are able to enjoy it once again. It also seems like taking the time off was the right thing, and smart thing to do.

I really don't know what to say about that wreck. Sounds like a worst case scenario come to life. I'm glad it didn't turn out any worse. keep on keeping on!
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5/28/2011 6:28am Edited Date/Time 5/28/2011 6:29am
Barrett57 wrote:
after wrecking seriously hard twice in 2 weeks (how i didnt break anything is a miracle), i could not get back up to speed and i...
after wrecking seriously hard twice in 2 weeks (how i didnt break anything is a miracle),
i could not get back up to speed and i had no confidence.

it sounds stupid, but i changed my number, i ran 86 when i crashed, and i changed to 511, after my number changed i was back up to speed,confident and ready to get back racing.
Well, i had a new riding gear when i crashed in 2009 and snapped my upper arm in half and broke my shoulder. I just sold those pants/jersey last week because i just couldn't use them after the crash.. Laughing
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So as the title states, we all know that crashes & wrecks are a part of the sport & I've had my fair share of them...
So as the title states, we all know that crashes & wrecks are a part of the sport & I've had my fair share of them of late. Of recent I had two get offs on my bike to where I had to bail off the bike & pretty much take the rest of the flight w/o the bike. SO I just got back out about 3 weeks ago, went trail riding since I've been having my problems at the track of late. Everything was okay there, took me awhile to get in my groove but I find myself doubting myself & the machine at times. So Yesterday I decide to hit the track & actually go to the track where I had my last spill in March. Rode okay but man I have lost some speed & my mentality & confidence isn't there, I know seat time is one of the only ways I can get it back but any pointers on the mental side & how to overcome it. I basically have developed a little fear & mistrust with myself & the machine. Let's call it Ricky Bobby syndrome. I was timid at times to hit jumps that I have jumped probably 1000 times if not more in my life.
this is the period in a riders life where the balls/gonads/family jewels and are actually shrinking while the brain...amazingly is growing. At some point when the nads are smaller than the brain (around 22 or 23) you begin the transition from a racer role to a management role and you can kiss your riding "career" goodbye.

it happens to the best of us....
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BobbyM wrote:
this is the period in a riders life where the balls/gonads/family jewels and are actually shrinking while the brain...amazingly is growing. At some point when the...
this is the period in a riders life where the balls/gonads/family jewels and are actually shrinking while the brain...amazingly is growing. At some point when the nads are smaller than the brain (around 22 or 23) you begin the transition from a racer role to a management role and you can kiss your riding "career" goodbye.

it happens to the best of us....
Well spoken. My last race was in '03. I had a brush with a snow fence that didn't end in my favor and everytime I took to the track after that it was like I had to force myself to go as fast as I knew I could, almost to the point of being scary. After that it just wasn't fun anymore and I hung it up.
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broken left elbow, broken right outer hand and fingers, knee and a choped off ring finger rt hand. had some really bad get offs, were i just couldn't believe i got up. big believer in if you think your gonna crash you will. jinx!! as i get older i question maybe i should stop riding? but everytime i put my gear on and go pound out a few laps i realize theres nothing that comes close to riding except maybe poundin laps on the wife. had a few get offs there also
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I'm gonna be honest here. Making a video of your X-rays set to music in a way is focusing on your injuries, almost celebrating it. I...
I'm gonna be honest here.
Making a video of your X-rays set to music in a way is focusing on your injuries, almost celebrating it. I know that might piss you off- but in this sport there is tendency to see yourself as a hero for being injured.
You are on your way to focusing way too much on being hurt, and showing everybody what you have been through. A lot of motocrossers have this tendency. It's like guys who make us look at their X-rays and nasty surgical scars in their avatars. You are highlighting the danger, you are highlighting what has happened to your body. You are not only reliving your crash and your injury over and over again. You are constantly imprinting and reinforcing the fact this is a super -dangerous sport that can have life changing consequences in a split second.

I kind of feel the same way about RV running videos of his mangled leg in front of thousands of people right before he takes to the track. I'm not judging you, I am just suggesting you are focusing ont the wrong things. You should be putting that crap out of your mind, not re-living it over and over.
I didn't make the video nor asked for it to be made. My friend simply makes videos after all of our rides. Good or bad. So you can take your glorifying & go else where. I posted the video so people could better understand & see the wreck. Not for attention. I simply wanted to know what others methods or experiences were. I guess you should be writing to the FIM & such after all they showed Ryan Villopoto's crash on every highlight reel last year & this year. I'm glad I have video of the footage. I'm know not left to guess what happen I can go back & watch it.

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