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5/23/2011 10:17pm
kongols wrote:
I just found Mathes source.
Mathes reliable source.
jemcee wrote:
if you're saying that matthes got it from the person who started that thread you're a bit off cause that person was quoting something that matthes...
if you're saying that matthes got it from the person who started that thread you're a bit off
cause that person was quoting something that matthes wrote in a racerhead
Exactly.
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I`m sorry i should have put this at the end Whistling Whistling Whistling Whistling Whistling Whistling Whistling Whistling Whistling Whistling Jeez...
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Bad talk the Kawi all ya want but it really seemed to work for Stewart, one can't forget the amazing years he had in 07 and...
Bad talk the Kawi all ya want but it really seemed to work for Stewart, one can't forget the amazing years he had in 07 and 08. The kawis are very stable at speed, and Stewart knew how to get them to turn, seems it suited his style
And yet when the Stewart team left Kawi for Yamaha, "Big" James stated that he was happy because now for the first time they would be on equal equipment.

I wonder if they'll have similar excuses when they leave Yamaha?
5/23/2011 11:13pm
this is a bit bias, but, I am leaning towards Matthes being reliable on this one. He didnt state FACT, its done, hes going Suz. He reported, as ANY REPORTING MEDIA DOES IN ANY OTHER SPORT, speculation. Its being talked about, a reliable source says... you hear this in every sport I can think of, from ball and stick, to any motorsport. Wether it pans out or not, that remains to be seen about any speculative reporting, and Steve has been very clear on this point that its rumor and speculation from a reliable source.

Now, that being said..... re-read what JS7 tweeted. Sounds to me like a person that is under contract, talking to someone else, cat got a peek out of the bag and JS7 is pissed. Lest we forget LB's "taking a break for family time" horsecrap that came out of that camp, or the "I love my yzf450", or the lawsuit/s.

Right now, as far as credibility goes of being open and honest, Steve is a +100 and the JSE team is at about a -50. Granted, the JSE camp cant be open and honest about breaking a contract. So will give them a bit of a flier on that part.

You know what I love about you guys. You alllllll scream about why so secretive, and omg this false stuff is crap, and omg omg wtfBBQ, why dont they just say........ and if it doesnt concern your rider you read it as its written and dont make a giant leap to mis-read it. but if its about "your guy" a statement like "i heard in the pits" becomes fu you dont know wtf you are talking about and stop making chit up omg omg omg because how you picture "your guy" and whats said doesnt line up, so its just haters, or liars, or making up drama. Everyone else, you take it for whats said and how its said... your guy, its melt down time.

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5/23/2011 11:22pm
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big mistake for both parties in my eyes. if the rumors of Suzuki having a hard time financially, why hire the most expensive guy? doesn't make...
big mistake for both parties in my eyes.

if the rumors of Suzuki having a hard time financially, why hire the most expensive guy?

doesn't make sense to me.

ps... James didn't win the championship because there were 3 better guys every week, not because he was on a yamaha
What he said.
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this is a bit bias, but, I am leaning towards Matthes being reliable on this one. He didnt state FACT, its done, hes going Suz. He...
this is a bit bias, but, I am leaning towards Matthes being reliable on this one. He didnt state FACT, its done, hes going Suz. He reported, as ANY REPORTING MEDIA DOES IN ANY OTHER SPORT, speculation. Its being talked about, a reliable source says... you hear this in every sport I can think of, from ball and stick, to any motorsport. Wether it pans out or not, that remains to be seen about any speculative reporting, and Steve has been very clear on this point that its rumor and speculation from a reliable source.

Now, that being said..... re-read what JS7 tweeted. Sounds to me like a person that is under contract, talking to someone else, cat got a peek out of the bag and JS7 is pissed. Lest we forget LB's "taking a break for family time" horsecrap that came out of that camp, or the "I love my yzf450", or the lawsuit/s.

Right now, as far as credibility goes of being open and honest, Steve is a +100 and the JSE team is at about a -50. Granted, the JSE camp cant be open and honest about breaking a contract. So will give them a bit of a flier on that part.

You know what I love about you guys. You alllllll scream about why so secretive, and omg this false stuff is crap, and omg omg wtfBBQ, why dont they just say........ and if it doesnt concern your rider you read it as its written and dont make a giant leap to mis-read it. but if its about "your guy" a statement like "i heard in the pits" becomes fu you dont know wtf you are talking about and stop making chit up omg omg omg because how you picture "your guy" and whats said doesnt line up, so its just haters, or liars, or making up drama. Everyone else, you take it for whats said and how its said... your guy, its melt down time.
Why do you have to be such a downer? This had a potential of 10-pager and you just had to come here with your conscience stuff. Oh well...Whistling
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The whole secrecy, insider, aloof attitude from some in this sport is freaking laughable. I love this sport with all my heart, but in the eyes of the other 99.9% of the planet that has never even heard of motocross, its right up there with lawn mower racing, and competitive eating. Why dont you report the news and facts and leave the carrot dangling and school girl tactics to the armchair QB's
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this is a bit bias, but, I am leaning towards Matthes being reliable on this one. He didnt state FACT, its done, hes going Suz. He...
this is a bit bias, but, I am leaning towards Matthes being reliable on this one. He didnt state FACT, its done, hes going Suz. He reported, as ANY REPORTING MEDIA DOES IN ANY OTHER SPORT, speculation. Its being talked about, a reliable source says... you hear this in every sport I can think of, from ball and stick, to any motorsport. Wether it pans out or not, that remains to be seen about any speculative reporting, and Steve has been very clear on this point that its rumor and speculation from a reliable source.

Now, that being said..... re-read what JS7 tweeted. Sounds to me like a person that is under contract, talking to someone else, cat got a peek out of the bag and JS7 is pissed. Lest we forget LB's "taking a break for family time" horsecrap that came out of that camp, or the "I love my yzf450", or the lawsuit/s.

Right now, as far as credibility goes of being open and honest, Steve is a +100 and the JSE team is at about a -50. Granted, the JSE camp cant be open and honest about breaking a contract. So will give them a bit of a flier on that part.

You know what I love about you guys. You alllllll scream about why so secretive, and omg this false stuff is crap, and omg omg wtfBBQ, why dont they just say........ and if it doesnt concern your rider you read it as its written and dont make a giant leap to mis-read it. but if its about "your guy" a statement like "i heard in the pits" becomes fu you dont know wtf you are talking about and stop making chit up omg omg omg because how you picture "your guy" and whats said doesnt line up, so its just haters, or liars, or making up drama. Everyone else, you take it for whats said and how its said... your guy, its melt down time.
kongols wrote:
Why do you have to be such a downer? This had a potential of 10-pager and you just had to come here with your conscience stuff...
Why do you have to be such a downer? This had a potential of 10-pager and you just had to come here with your conscience stuff. Oh well...Whistling
Good points. But I suggest Steve has to hold back some, so I say he's about 90% open and honest wile I consider Stevie having 0% of that! Smile I don't trust anything Stevie's says. But that's probably just me.
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Dungey will not be on a KTM. I would say factory Honda or twotwo Motorsports. It's not about Suz picking on over the other, I am sure Dungey wants to try something new and something where he is guaranteed a pay check.
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5/24/2011 8:04am
MXA did an interesting interview with Decoster (The Repetitive Life Of Roger Decoster).
He says that Dungey went to bat for him and Suzuki told Dungey that Decoster would be back.
It didn't happen so maybe it could factor into Dungey's decision.
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TriRacer27 wrote:
Some of you sound like news casters on MSNBC or Fox News. You take a little tidbit of information and blow it out of proportion. A...
Some of you sound like news casters on MSNBC or Fox News. You take a little tidbit of information and blow it out of proportion. A rider has a bad race = he'll never win again. A rider wins going away, you start a bandwagon and an "undefeated" tally. It's as if you had never raced before yourselves.

Wait, you have raced before right? Is that too much to assume from vital members?
I don't race, but then I just think logically, so I don't think racing has anything to do with it, some people just like to get a rise out of you or just like to make shit up, that's all.

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If James leaves Yamaha, does that mean he is leaving San Manuel also? How big of a sponsorship are they and is he making most of his juice from them or elsewhere? Also, IMO, Dungey and DeCoster, as well as Reed and DeCoster seemed to have a good working relationship, but Reed didn't go to KTM, so just because there is a good relationship there doesn't mean that Dungey would go to KTM. Although Reed and Dungey are at different points in their respective careers, I personally think it would benefit Dungey a lot to be with Roger. And if RD is worried about a paycheck from SUZ, would TwoTwo be able to afford him? I'd like to see Dungey on a KTM. As far as James goes, I can see how certain bikes seem to agree with certain riders, but I don't see SUZ having/wanting to drop the coin on JS7 and that would basically leave Honda or KTM for James. And neither one of those really seem logical either. But what the hell do I know, anyways.
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5/24/2011 1:55pm
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The whole secrecy, insider, aloof attitude from some in this sport is freaking laughable. I love this sport with all my heart, but in the eyes...
The whole secrecy, insider, aloof attitude from some in this sport is freaking laughable. I love this sport with all my heart, but in the eyes of the other 99.9% of the planet that has never even heard of motocross, its right up there with lawn mower racing, and competitive eating. Why dont you report the news and facts and leave the carrot dangling and school girl tactics to the armchair QB's
It's pretty simple. Matthes pisses off Stewart- Stewart does not grant him any interviews or info. So Matthes has to walk a line.
Ask Pingree about this.

The same is true in any branch of journalism.
5/24/2011 3:58pm
Rudeboy119 wrote:
The whole secrecy, insider, aloof attitude from some in this sport is freaking laughable. I love this sport with all my heart, but in the eyes...
The whole secrecy, insider, aloof attitude from some in this sport is freaking laughable. I love this sport with all my heart, but in the eyes of the other 99.9% of the planet that has never even heard of motocross, its right up there with lawn mower racing, and competitive eating. Why dont you report the news and facts and leave the carrot dangling and school girl tactics to the armchair QB's
It's pretty simple. Matthes pisses off Stewart- Stewart does not grant him any interviews or info. So Matthes has to walk a line. Ask Pingree about...
It's pretty simple. Matthes pisses off Stewart- Stewart does not grant him any interviews or info. So Matthes has to walk a line.
Ask Pingree about this.

The same is true in any branch of journalism.
wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right there the next day or week addressing said reporter that went after them. Unless you are a total horses ass... and strangly if you go way beyond horses ass you get more interviews.... you rarely see a highly oppinionated reporter get ran out in any sport but ours.

Here is the crux....... JS not liking the bike and looking for a different bike IS NEWS in our sport. period! Dont even have the nerve to even remotely try to say its not news. Hes the highest profile rider in our sport, any move he makes bike/team/track and yes, personal, is news, like it or not, thats reality. So all the fans, all of us hardcore motoheads, drool for inside tidbits. We get them, the fanboys denounce and cry, the non-fanboys go interesting and want to hear more.

Want to know just how small our sport is.... a major star in our sport can side step, bs, or flatout blackball a media person.... and thinks to his core it doesnt hurt himself, his image or his team. Well, go ask RC about that. He has flatout said one of his biggest regrets in this sport was not being better with the media. search racerx interviews about 2 years ago. You goto any other sport, there will be 50 media people there... ours, what, 12 for real paid media types? You see a player in the locker room and hes got 20 people there taking quotes, ours, 1 on 1, or maybe 2 or 3. In the press conference, how many are there that are actual paid media? a guy or two from a local paper, the magazine guys, so another 4 or 8, some online site guys, 5 or 6, some independent freelance guys... then ??? am I far off on this GuyB? Any other sport, there are WAY more paid media there.

So a reliable source confirms pit rumor. Steve, as a moto journalist, just like ANY sports media (and like him or not, hes media) gets reliable confirmation of a rumor and does what? He does what a journalist does, reports on it! Its news, its a story and he clearly says its speculation but it has teeth because a source that would know confirms it. What do reporters do, tell the fans the news or the story! (face palm)

Now, wether or not it happens, is immaterial. You have all seen it, in other sports you follow, a trade might be taking place, it was confirmed by the front office that....... then, it doesnt happen, but at the time, it was a big deal, then it didnt reach an agreeable to each side conclusion so its over.

So, its whispers in the pits, JS looking for a diff bike. Then a reliable source says, yes, there has been some communication. That gets reported.... wtf do you think the guy with a 1 year left contract is going to do?!?!? Of course hes going to deny it completely! He has to because 1) it can screw up his future move 2) it can get his current deal sideways before hes ready to make a move and 3) because its going to be a burned bridge if it does happen and in this sport thats a big deal.

Plus... and lastly... I LOVE how the majority in this thread arent even in the same time zone of a race or a team and think they know something! Some of you arent even on this effing continent for fucks sake! So, the guy that is at EVERY race, is IN the transporters, knows the managers, mechanics, riders, on a first name basis has less credibility than Jbob4738race from wherethehelleverbutgoestooneraceayear-ville?

/end of soapbox!
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that was an awesome post
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wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right...
wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right there the next day or week addressing said reporter that went after them. Unless you are a total horses ass... and strangly if you go way beyond horses ass you get more interviews.... you rarely see a highly oppinionated reporter get ran out in any sport but ours.

Here is the crux....... JS not liking the bike and looking for a different bike IS NEWS in our sport. period! Dont even have the nerve to even remotely try to say its not news. Hes the highest profile rider in our sport, any move he makes bike/team/track and yes, personal, is news, like it or not, thats reality. So all the fans, all of us hardcore motoheads, drool for inside tidbits. We get them, the fanboys denounce and cry, the non-fanboys go interesting and want to hear more.

Want to know just how small our sport is.... a major star in our sport can side step, bs, or flatout blackball a media person.... and thinks to his core it doesnt hurt himself, his image or his team. Well, go ask RC about that. He has flatout said one of his biggest regrets in this sport was not being better with the media. search racerx interviews about 2 years ago. You goto any other sport, there will be 50 media people there... ours, what, 12 for real paid media types? You see a player in the locker room and hes got 20 people there taking quotes, ours, 1 on 1, or maybe 2 or 3. In the press conference, how many are there that are actual paid media? a guy or two from a local paper, the magazine guys, so another 4 or 8, some online site guys, 5 or 6, some independent freelance guys... then ??? am I far off on this GuyB? Any other sport, there are WAY more paid media there.

So a reliable source confirms pit rumor. Steve, as a moto journalist, just like ANY sports media (and like him or not, hes media) gets reliable confirmation of a rumor and does what? He does what a journalist does, reports on it! Its news, its a story and he clearly says its speculation but it has teeth because a source that would know confirms it. What do reporters do, tell the fans the news or the story! (face palm)

Now, wether or not it happens, is immaterial. You have all seen it, in other sports you follow, a trade might be taking place, it was confirmed by the front office that....... then, it doesnt happen, but at the time, it was a big deal, then it didnt reach an agreeable to each side conclusion so its over.

So, its whispers in the pits, JS looking for a diff bike. Then a reliable source says, yes, there has been some communication. That gets reported.... wtf do you think the guy with a 1 year left contract is going to do?!?!? Of course hes going to deny it completely! He has to because 1) it can screw up his future move 2) it can get his current deal sideways before hes ready to make a move and 3) because its going to be a burned bridge if it does happen and in this sport thats a big deal.

Plus... and lastly... I LOVE how the majority in this thread arent even in the same time zone of a race or a team and think they know something! Some of you arent even on this effing continent for fucks sake! So, the guy that is at EVERY race, is IN the transporters, knows the managers, mechanics, riders, on a first name basis has less credibility than Jbob4738race from wherethehelleverbutgoestooneraceayear-ville?

/end of soapbox!
Word. In short Matthes is doing what he's supposed to do, and we should all applaud that. For me he should go even further if there's more info.

Those that doesn't applaud this are either a bit slow, or biased towards Stevie (and they kind of have a reason for moaning then because they want what's best for their employer or their personal God). Or at least that's my take on the above.
5/24/2011 4:44pm
Thanks for the informative post. It answers alot of questions but opens up a whole bunch of others, for speculation of course. Like which team will be sponsored by which highly addictive, marketed at children, "energy" drink? Depending on where the big draws go.
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wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right...
wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right there the next day or week addressing said reporter that went after them. Unless you are a total horses ass... and strangly if you go way beyond horses ass you get more interviews.... you rarely see a highly oppinionated reporter get ran out in any sport but ours.

Here is the crux....... JS not liking the bike and looking for a different bike IS NEWS in our sport. period! Dont even have the nerve to even remotely try to say its not news. Hes the highest profile rider in our sport, any move he makes bike/team/track and yes, personal, is news, like it or not, thats reality. So all the fans, all of us hardcore motoheads, drool for inside tidbits. We get them, the fanboys denounce and cry, the non-fanboys go interesting and want to hear more.

Want to know just how small our sport is.... a major star in our sport can side step, bs, or flatout blackball a media person.... and thinks to his core it doesnt hurt himself, his image or his team. Well, go ask RC about that. He has flatout said one of his biggest regrets in this sport was not being better with the media. search racerx interviews about 2 years ago. You goto any other sport, there will be 50 media people there... ours, what, 12 for real paid media types? You see a player in the locker room and hes got 20 people there taking quotes, ours, 1 on 1, or maybe 2 or 3. In the press conference, how many are there that are actual paid media? a guy or two from a local paper, the magazine guys, so another 4 or 8, some online site guys, 5 or 6, some independent freelance guys... then ??? am I far off on this GuyB? Any other sport, there are WAY more paid media there.

So a reliable source confirms pit rumor. Steve, as a moto journalist, just like ANY sports media (and like him or not, hes media) gets reliable confirmation of a rumor and does what? He does what a journalist does, reports on it! Its news, its a story and he clearly says its speculation but it has teeth because a source that would know confirms it. What do reporters do, tell the fans the news or the story! (face palm)

Now, wether or not it happens, is immaterial. You have all seen it, in other sports you follow, a trade might be taking place, it was confirmed by the front office that....... then, it doesnt happen, but at the time, it was a big deal, then it didnt reach an agreeable to each side conclusion so its over.

So, its whispers in the pits, JS looking for a diff bike. Then a reliable source says, yes, there has been some communication. That gets reported.... wtf do you think the guy with a 1 year left contract is going to do?!?!? Of course hes going to deny it completely! He has to because 1) it can screw up his future move 2) it can get his current deal sideways before hes ready to make a move and 3) because its going to be a burned bridge if it does happen and in this sport thats a big deal.

Plus... and lastly... I LOVE how the majority in this thread arent even in the same time zone of a race or a team and think they know something! Some of you arent even on this effing continent for fucks sake! So, the guy that is at EVERY race, is IN the transporters, knows the managers, mechanics, riders, on a first name basis has less credibility than Jbob4738race from wherethehelleverbutgoestooneraceayear-ville?

/end of soapbox!
x2... Half of the guys on here barely ride, let alone know jack shit from the shifter to the brake. This sport of ours is very easy to read. One of the reasons James has so many fans is because they are not the "core" group of fans. The average fan is easily a year behind our sport. One of the largest reasons why Motocross/Supercross are not killing ratings is because they treat the public worse than our government. When you watch a baseball game, they don't tell you that the game last roughly 9 innings. Or the fact that the home team bats second. Our sport? Lets spell it out for you like a 1st grade school girl. THIS SPORT WILL NEVER BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY UNTIL WE MAKE IT SERIOUS FOR THE CASUAL FAN!
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x2... Half of the guys on here barely ride, let alone know jack shit from the shifter to the brake. This sport of ours is very...
x2... Half of the guys on here barely ride, let alone know jack shit from the shifter to the brake. This sport of ours is very easy to read. One of the reasons James has so many fans is because they are not the "core" group of fans. The average fan is easily a year behind our sport. One of the largest reasons why Motocross/Supercross are not killing ratings is because they treat the public worse than our government. When you watch a baseball game, they don't tell you that the game last roughly 9 innings. Or the fact that the home team bats second. Our sport? Lets spell it out for you like a 1st grade school girl. THIS SPORT WILL NEVER BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY UNTIL WE MAKE IT SERIOUS FOR THE CASUAL FAN!
What's a shifter?
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5/24/2011 5:51pm
How cool would it be if Dungey went to TwoTwo on Factory Hondas and took Goose with him.
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5/24/2011 6:28pm
One of my least favorite points is the "you people don't ride". There are many reasons people "don't ride", some people raced their whole life and are TOO F'ing OLD, some have kids that race, some ride other types of bikes, some live so close to the meca of MX that we get to see the factory guys at our local tracks regularly.

I'm all of the above but that still doesn't make the text from Matthes less understandable to someone in BFE.
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Rudeboy119 wrote:
The whole secrecy, insider, aloof attitude from some in this sport is freaking laughable. I love this sport with all my heart, but in the eyes...
The whole secrecy, insider, aloof attitude from some in this sport is freaking laughable. I love this sport with all my heart, but in the eyes of the other 99.9% of the planet that has never even heard of motocross, its right up there with lawn mower racing, and competitive eating. Why dont you report the news and facts and leave the carrot dangling and school girl tactics to the armchair QB's
It's pretty simple. Matthes pisses off Stewart- Stewart does not grant him any interviews or info. So Matthes has to walk a line. Ask Pingree about...
It's pretty simple. Matthes pisses off Stewart- Stewart does not grant him any interviews or info. So Matthes has to walk a line.
Ask Pingree about this.

The same is true in any branch of journalism.
wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right...
wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right there the next day or week addressing said reporter that went after them. Unless you are a total horses ass... and strangly if you go way beyond horses ass you get more interviews.... you rarely see a highly oppinionated reporter get ran out in any sport but ours.

Here is the crux....... JS not liking the bike and looking for a different bike IS NEWS in our sport. period! Dont even have the nerve to even remotely try to say its not news. Hes the highest profile rider in our sport, any move he makes bike/team/track and yes, personal, is news, like it or not, thats reality. So all the fans, all of us hardcore motoheads, drool for inside tidbits. We get them, the fanboys denounce and cry, the non-fanboys go interesting and want to hear more.

Want to know just how small our sport is.... a major star in our sport can side step, bs, or flatout blackball a media person.... and thinks to his core it doesnt hurt himself, his image or his team. Well, go ask RC about that. He has flatout said one of his biggest regrets in this sport was not being better with the media. search racerx interviews about 2 years ago. You goto any other sport, there will be 50 media people there... ours, what, 12 for real paid media types? You see a player in the locker room and hes got 20 people there taking quotes, ours, 1 on 1, or maybe 2 or 3. In the press conference, how many are there that are actual paid media? a guy or two from a local paper, the magazine guys, so another 4 or 8, some online site guys, 5 or 6, some independent freelance guys... then ??? am I far off on this GuyB? Any other sport, there are WAY more paid media there.

So a reliable source confirms pit rumor. Steve, as a moto journalist, just like ANY sports media (and like him or not, hes media) gets reliable confirmation of a rumor and does what? He does what a journalist does, reports on it! Its news, its a story and he clearly says its speculation but it has teeth because a source that would know confirms it. What do reporters do, tell the fans the news or the story! (face palm)

Now, wether or not it happens, is immaterial. You have all seen it, in other sports you follow, a trade might be taking place, it was confirmed by the front office that....... then, it doesnt happen, but at the time, it was a big deal, then it didnt reach an agreeable to each side conclusion so its over.

So, its whispers in the pits, JS looking for a diff bike. Then a reliable source says, yes, there has been some communication. That gets reported.... wtf do you think the guy with a 1 year left contract is going to do?!?!? Of course hes going to deny it completely! He has to because 1) it can screw up his future move 2) it can get his current deal sideways before hes ready to make a move and 3) because its going to be a burned bridge if it does happen and in this sport thats a big deal.

Plus... and lastly... I LOVE how the majority in this thread arent even in the same time zone of a race or a team and think they know something! Some of you arent even on this effing continent for fucks sake! So, the guy that is at EVERY race, is IN the transporters, knows the managers, mechanics, riders, on a first name basis has less credibility than Jbob4738race from wherethehelleverbutgoestooneraceayear-ville?

/end of soapbox!
You are spot on but there is another sport/athlete that pulls this maneuver with the media. It's Tiger Woods and he will blacklist a reporter and the media outlet he works for the second he gets irritated. A golf reporter that gets himself and employer blacklisted by Tiger doesn't stay employed for long.

I think it is ridiculous whether it is James in MX or any other athlete in any other sport. The good thing is maybe Steve won't be worried about pissing Stewie off anymore and we'll get some good dish.
5/24/2011 6:45pm
I agree Board. A fan is a fan and it doesnt make 3 craps if he is or did race/ride. A fan KNOWS alot more than you think. Has he experienced it... no. Is he knowledgable, very much so. Want proof...... Weege. I rest my case.
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I agree Board. A fan is a fan and it doesnt make 3 craps if he is or did race/ride. A fan KNOWS alot more than...
I agree Board. A fan is a fan and it doesnt make 3 craps if he is or did race/ride. A fan KNOWS alot more than you think. Has he experienced it... no. Is he knowledgable, very much so. Want proof...... Weege. I rest my case.
Weege was a rider....
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wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right...
wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right there the next day or week addressing said reporter that went after them. Unless you are a total horses ass... and strangly if you go way beyond horses ass you get more interviews.... you rarely see a highly oppinionated reporter get ran out in any sport but ours.

Here is the crux....... JS not liking the bike and looking for a different bike IS NEWS in our sport. period! Dont even have the nerve to even remotely try to say its not news. Hes the highest profile rider in our sport, any move he makes bike/team/track and yes, personal, is news, like it or not, thats reality. So all the fans, all of us hardcore motoheads, drool for inside tidbits. We get them, the fanboys denounce and cry, the non-fanboys go interesting and want to hear more.

Want to know just how small our sport is.... a major star in our sport can side step, bs, or flatout blackball a media person.... and thinks to his core it doesnt hurt himself, his image or his team. Well, go ask RC about that. He has flatout said one of his biggest regrets in this sport was not being better with the media. search racerx interviews about 2 years ago. You goto any other sport, there will be 50 media people there... ours, what, 12 for real paid media types? You see a player in the locker room and hes got 20 people there taking quotes, ours, 1 on 1, or maybe 2 or 3. In the press conference, how many are there that are actual paid media? a guy or two from a local paper, the magazine guys, so another 4 or 8, some online site guys, 5 or 6, some independent freelance guys... then ??? am I far off on this GuyB? Any other sport, there are WAY more paid media there.

So a reliable source confirms pit rumor. Steve, as a moto journalist, just like ANY sports media (and like him or not, hes media) gets reliable confirmation of a rumor and does what? He does what a journalist does, reports on it! Its news, its a story and he clearly says its speculation but it has teeth because a source that would know confirms it. What do reporters do, tell the fans the news or the story! (face palm)

Now, wether or not it happens, is immaterial. You have all seen it, in other sports you follow, a trade might be taking place, it was confirmed by the front office that....... then, it doesnt happen, but at the time, it was a big deal, then it didnt reach an agreeable to each side conclusion so its over.

So, its whispers in the pits, JS looking for a diff bike. Then a reliable source says, yes, there has been some communication. That gets reported.... wtf do you think the guy with a 1 year left contract is going to do?!?!? Of course hes going to deny it completely! He has to because 1) it can screw up his future move 2) it can get his current deal sideways before hes ready to make a move and 3) because its going to be a burned bridge if it does happen and in this sport thats a big deal.

Plus... and lastly... I LOVE how the majority in this thread arent even in the same time zone of a race or a team and think they know something! Some of you arent even on this effing continent for fucks sake! So, the guy that is at EVERY race, is IN the transporters, knows the managers, mechanics, riders, on a first name basis has less credibility than Jbob4738race from wherethehelleverbutgoestooneraceayear-ville?

/end of soapbox!
Now you making it no fun at all.Whistling Wink I was just speculating about possibility that rumor went full circle. Mathes wrote in Racerhead that Watson thinks James might go to Suzuki, people started talking , cause c`mon, it`s Racerhead. After a short period of time the same rumor that was introduced to us by Mathes comes back to him as a sure thing. What? Whistling Evil
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wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right...
wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right there the next day or week addressing said reporter that went after them. Unless you are a total horses ass... and strangly if you go way beyond horses ass you get more interviews.... you rarely see a highly oppinionated reporter get ran out in any sport but ours.

Here is the crux....... JS not liking the bike and looking for a different bike IS NEWS in our sport. period! Dont even have the nerve to even remotely try to say its not news. Hes the highest profile rider in our sport, any move he makes bike/team/track and yes, personal, is news, like it or not, thats reality. So all the fans, all of us hardcore motoheads, drool for inside tidbits. We get them, the fanboys denounce and cry, the non-fanboys go interesting and want to hear more.

Want to know just how small our sport is.... a major star in our sport can side step, bs, or flatout blackball a media person.... and thinks to his core it doesnt hurt himself, his image or his team. Well, go ask RC about that. He has flatout said one of his biggest regrets in this sport was not being better with the media. search racerx interviews about 2 years ago. You goto any other sport, there will be 50 media people there... ours, what, 12 for real paid media types? You see a player in the locker room and hes got 20 people there taking quotes, ours, 1 on 1, or maybe 2 or 3. In the press conference, how many are there that are actual paid media? a guy or two from a local paper, the magazine guys, so another 4 or 8, some online site guys, 5 or 6, some independent freelance guys... then ??? am I far off on this GuyB? Any other sport, there are WAY more paid media there.

So a reliable source confirms pit rumor. Steve, as a moto journalist, just like ANY sports media (and like him or not, hes media) gets reliable confirmation of a rumor and does what? He does what a journalist does, reports on it! Its news, its a story and he clearly says its speculation but it has teeth because a source that would know confirms it. What do reporters do, tell the fans the news or the story! (face palm)

Now, wether or not it happens, is immaterial. You have all seen it, in other sports you follow, a trade might be taking place, it was confirmed by the front office that....... then, it doesnt happen, but at the time, it was a big deal, then it didnt reach an agreeable to each side conclusion so its over.

So, its whispers in the pits, JS looking for a diff bike. Then a reliable source says, yes, there has been some communication. That gets reported.... wtf do you think the guy with a 1 year left contract is going to do?!?!? Of course hes going to deny it completely! He has to because 1) it can screw up his future move 2) it can get his current deal sideways before hes ready to make a move and 3) because its going to be a burned bridge if it does happen and in this sport thats a big deal.

Plus... and lastly... I LOVE how the majority in this thread arent even in the same time zone of a race or a team and think they know something! Some of you arent even on this effing continent for fucks sake! So, the guy that is at EVERY race, is IN the transporters, knows the managers, mechanics, riders, on a first name basis has less credibility than Jbob4738race from wherethehelleverbutgoestooneraceayear-ville?

/end of soapbox!
Best post in this thread.
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5/24/2011 8:21pm Edited Date/Time 5/24/2011 8:22pm
wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right...
wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right there the next day or week addressing said reporter that went after them. Unless you are a total horses ass... and strangly if you go way beyond horses ass you get more interviews.... you rarely see a highly oppinionated reporter get ran out in any sport but ours.

Here is the crux....... JS not liking the bike and looking for a different bike IS NEWS in our sport. period! Dont even have the nerve to even remotely try to say its not news. Hes the highest profile rider in our sport, any move he makes bike/team/track and yes, personal, is news, like it or not, thats reality. So all the fans, all of us hardcore motoheads, drool for inside tidbits. We get them, the fanboys denounce and cry, the non-fanboys go interesting and want to hear more.

Want to know just how small our sport is.... a major star in our sport can side step, bs, or flatout blackball a media person.... and thinks to his core it doesnt hurt himself, his image or his team. Well, go ask RC about that. He has flatout said one of his biggest regrets in this sport was not being better with the media. search racerx interviews about 2 years ago. You goto any other sport, there will be 50 media people there... ours, what, 12 for real paid media types? You see a player in the locker room and hes got 20 people there taking quotes, ours, 1 on 1, or maybe 2 or 3. In the press conference, how many are there that are actual paid media? a guy or two from a local paper, the magazine guys, so another 4 or 8, some online site guys, 5 or 6, some independent freelance guys... then ??? am I far off on this GuyB? Any other sport, there are WAY more paid media there.

So a reliable source confirms pit rumor. Steve, as a moto journalist, just like ANY sports media (and like him or not, hes media) gets reliable confirmation of a rumor and does what? He does what a journalist does, reports on it! Its news, its a story and he clearly says its speculation but it has teeth because a source that would know confirms it. What do reporters do, tell the fans the news or the story! (face palm)

Now, wether or not it happens, is immaterial. You have all seen it, in other sports you follow, a trade might be taking place, it was confirmed by the front office that....... then, it doesnt happen, but at the time, it was a big deal, then it didnt reach an agreeable to each side conclusion so its over.

So, its whispers in the pits, JS looking for a diff bike. Then a reliable source says, yes, there has been some communication. That gets reported.... wtf do you think the guy with a 1 year left contract is going to do?!?!? Of course hes going to deny it completely! He has to because 1) it can screw up his future move 2) it can get his current deal sideways before hes ready to make a move and 3) because its going to be a burned bridge if it does happen and in this sport thats a big deal.

Plus... and lastly... I LOVE how the majority in this thread arent even in the same time zone of a race or a team and think they know something! Some of you arent even on this effing continent for fucks sake! So, the guy that is at EVERY race, is IN the transporters, knows the managers, mechanics, riders, on a first name basis has less credibility than Jbob4738race from wherethehelleverbutgoestooneraceayear-ville?

/end of soapbox!
i told you once and i'll tell you again. james is done with this sport...FUCKING DONE. nobody in their right fucking mind would sign this headcase...NOBODY with any credentials at least.


james doesn't listen to anybody....

james doesn't respect anybody...

james doesn't give a fuck about anybody...


those are the facts and proven by how james acts...and reacts.

get yer fucking heads out of yer rectums folks and get a clue.
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BobbyM wrote:
i told you once and i'll tell you again. james is done with this sport...FUCKING DONE. nobody in their right fucking mind would sign this headcase...NOBODY...
i told you once and i'll tell you again. james is done with this sport...FUCKING DONE. nobody in their right fucking mind would sign this headcase...NOBODY with any credentials at least.


james doesn't listen to anybody....

james doesn't respect anybody...

james doesn't give a fuck about anybody...


those are the facts and proven by how james acts...and reacts.

get yer fucking heads out of yer rectums folks and get a clue.
Hey Bobby, is this about Larry?
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wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right...
wrong. sorry but its only an absolute in this sport. any other sport, you have seen reporters attack a player, driver, team, and they are right there the next day or week addressing said reporter that went after them. Unless you are a total horses ass... and strangly if you go way beyond horses ass you get more interviews.... you rarely see a highly oppinionated reporter get ran out in any sport but ours.

Here is the crux....... JS not liking the bike and looking for a different bike IS NEWS in our sport. period! Dont even have the nerve to even remotely try to say its not news. Hes the highest profile rider in our sport, any move he makes bike/team/track and yes, personal, is news, like it or not, thats reality. So all the fans, all of us hardcore motoheads, drool for inside tidbits. We get them, the fanboys denounce and cry, the non-fanboys go interesting and want to hear more.

Want to know just how small our sport is.... a major star in our sport can side step, bs, or flatout blackball a media person.... and thinks to his core it doesnt hurt himself, his image or his team. Well, go ask RC about that. He has flatout said one of his biggest regrets in this sport was not being better with the media. search racerx interviews about 2 years ago. You goto any other sport, there will be 50 media people there... ours, what, 12 for real paid media types? You see a player in the locker room and hes got 20 people there taking quotes, ours, 1 on 1, or maybe 2 or 3. In the press conference, how many are there that are actual paid media? a guy or two from a local paper, the magazine guys, so another 4 or 8, some online site guys, 5 or 6, some independent freelance guys... then ??? am I far off on this GuyB? Any other sport, there are WAY more paid media there.

So a reliable source confirms pit rumor. Steve, as a moto journalist, just like ANY sports media (and like him or not, hes media) gets reliable confirmation of a rumor and does what? He does what a journalist does, reports on it! Its news, its a story and he clearly says its speculation but it has teeth because a source that would know confirms it. What do reporters do, tell the fans the news or the story! (face palm)

Now, wether or not it happens, is immaterial. You have all seen it, in other sports you follow, a trade might be taking place, it was confirmed by the front office that....... then, it doesnt happen, but at the time, it was a big deal, then it didnt reach an agreeable to each side conclusion so its over.

So, its whispers in the pits, JS looking for a diff bike. Then a reliable source says, yes, there has been some communication. That gets reported.... wtf do you think the guy with a 1 year left contract is going to do?!?!? Of course hes going to deny it completely! He has to because 1) it can screw up his future move 2) it can get his current deal sideways before hes ready to make a move and 3) because its going to be a burned bridge if it does happen and in this sport thats a big deal.

Plus... and lastly... I LOVE how the majority in this thread arent even in the same time zone of a race or a team and think they know something! Some of you arent even on this effing continent for fucks sake! So, the guy that is at EVERY race, is IN the transporters, knows the managers, mechanics, riders, on a first name basis has less credibility than Jbob4738race from wherethehelleverbutgoestooneraceayear-ville?

/end of soapbox!
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