Where's the outrage #2?

1/14/2026 8:35pm
SKlein wrote:
I've got a crazy thought experiment for you. What happens if the full extents of the files were released when they were legally required to be...

I've got a crazy thought experiment for you. What happens if the full extents of the files were released when they were legally required to be and the Clinton's were implicated in them? Does that not solve the exact same problem you're describing now?

No

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1/14/2026 8:51pm

Timeline from the other thread for reference.  All that are complicit need to be brought to justice.  

March 2005

Police in Palm Beach, Florida, begin investigating Epstein after the family of a 14-year-old girl reports she was molested at his mansion. Multiple underage girls, many of them high school students, would later tell police Epstein hired them to give sexual massages.

May 2006

Palm Beach police officials sign paperwork to charge Epstein with multiple counts of unlawful sex with a minor, but the county's top prosecutor, State Attorney Barry Krischer, takes the unusual step of sending the case to a grand jury.

July 2006

Epstein is arrested after a grand jury indicts him on a single count of soliciting prostitution. The relatively minor charge draws almost immediate attention from critics, including Palm Beach police leaders, who assail Krischer publicly and accuse him of giving Epstein special treatment. The FBI begins an investigation.

2007

Federal prosecutors prepare an indictment against Epstein. But for a year, the money manager's lawyers engage in talks with the U.S. attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta, about a plea bargain that would allow Epstein to avoid a federal prosecution. Epstein's lawyers decry his accusers as unreliable witnesses.

June 2008

Epstein pleads guilty to state charges: one count of solicitating prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from someone under the age of 18. He is sentenced to 18 months in jail. Under a secret arrangement, the U.S. attorney's office agrees not to prosecute Epstein for federal crimes. Epstein serves most of his sentence in a work-release program that allows him to leave jail during the day to go to his office, then return at night.

July 2009

Epstein is released from jail. For the next decade, multiple women who say they are Epstein's victims wage a legal fight to get his federal non-prosecution agreement voided, and hold him and others liable for the abuse. One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Giuffre, says in her lawsuits that, starting when she was 17, Epstein and his girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, set up sexual encounters with royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and other rich and powerful men, including Britain's Prince Andrew. All of those men deny the allegations.

November 2018

The Miami Herald revisits the handling of Epstein's case in a series of stories focusing partly on the role of Acosta — who by this point is President Donald Trump's labor secretary — in arranging his unusual plea deal. The coverage renews public interest in the case.

July 6, 2019

Epstein is arrested on federal sex trafficking charges after federal prosecutors in New York conclude they aren't bound by the terms of the earlier non-prosecution deal. Days later, Acosta resigns as labor secretary amid public outrage over his role in the initial investigation.

Aug. 10, 2019

Guards find Epstein dead in his cell at a federal jail in New York City. Investigators conclude he killed himself.

July 2, 2020

Federal prosecutors in New York charge Ghislaine Maxwell with sex crimes, saying she helped recruit the underage girls that Epstein sexually abused and sometimes participated in the abuse herself.

Dec. 30, 2021

After a monthlong trial, a jury convicts Maxwell of multiple charges, including sex trafficking, conspiracy and transportation of a minor for illegal sexual activity.

June 28, 2022

Maxwell is sentenced to 20 years in prison.

January 2024

Public interest in the Epstein case surges after a judge unseals thousands of pages of court records in a civil lawsuit involving one of his victims. Almost all of the information was already public and the dayslong document dump proves disappointing to people who hoped it would spill new secrets about wrongdoing by the rich and powerful. But it fuels demands for even more records to be made public.

2024

Trump, who was in office when Epstein was arrested, suggests during the presidential campaign that he'd seek to open the government's Epstein files.

February 2025

Attorney General Pam Bondi suggests in a Fox News Channel interview that an Epstein "client list" is sitting on her desk. The Justice Department distributes binders marked "declassified" to far-right influencers at the White House, but it quickly becomes clear much of the information had long been in the public domain.

July 7, 2025

The Justice Department says Epstein didn't maintain a "client list" and it won't make any more files related to his sex trafficking investigation public.

July 17, 2025

The Wall Street Journal describes a sexually suggestive letter that the newspaper says bore Trump's name and was included in a 2003 album for Epstein's 50th birthday. Trump denies writing the letter, calling it "false, malicious, and defamatory." The next day Trump sues the paper and media mogul Rupert Murdoch.

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1/14/2026 8:54pm
SKlein wrote:
I've got a crazy thought experiment for you. What happens if the full extents of the files were released when they were legally required to be...

I've got a crazy thought experiment for you. What happens if the full extents of the files were released when they were legally required to be and the Clinton's were implicated in them? Does that not solve the exact same problem you're describing now?

ToolMaker wrote:

No

Got it, so push aside the issues I’ve posed to you and instead hyper-focus on the Clinton’s. I think I see what you’re requesting now. 👍

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1/15/2026 4:04am

So say Trump is innocent in all of those but knows all the details. Imagine living with yourself knowing you’re providing cover for absolute monsters. What a life. 

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1/15/2026 5:23am
SKlein wrote:
I've got a crazy thought experiment for you. What happens if the full extents of the files were released when they were legally required to be...

I've got a crazy thought experiment for you. What happens if the full extents of the files were released when they were legally required to be and the Clinton's were implicated in them? Does that not solve the exact same problem you're describing now?

ToolMaker wrote:

No

SKlein wrote:

Got it, so push aside the issues I’ve posed to you and instead hyper-focus on the Clinton’s. I think I see what you’re requesting now. 👍

Walk and chew gum son, walk and chew gum.

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1/15/2026 5:32am
OriginMX wrote:
They should be prosecuted for contempt of congress.  Every person in the files should be held accountable along with the FBI and DOJ that have done...

They should be prosecuted for contempt of congress.  Every person in the files should be held accountable along with the FBI and DOJ that have done everything they can NOT to release the files. Nobody cares if they are left or right.  They all need to go down. 

soggy wrote:

It seems our government is extremely compromised. 

Extremely?  How about completely.   The entire process is a facade.    

George-Carlin

“Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything."

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1/15/2026 2:48pm

I tend to stay out of these stupid ass, political arguments, so I will. But, since I just saw the word owner …. I’ve been wondering which professional sports team owners are on THE LIST . You know damn well there are some of them, and other billionaires that own our politicians and run our country. The list will never come out. 

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1/15/2026 3:20pm

Epstein files will never be fully released unredacted because if even half of the accusations that have been speculated turned out to be true it would potentially undermine the faith and legitimacy of all governmental and political institutions. Neither sides of the political isle want this for obvious reasons. 

All wealthy elites have made their wealth and reached their positions of superiority ONLY by means of corrupt State institutions. Everyone from the Clintons of the world to the trumps of the world are equally dependent on our faith and belief in the legitimacy of such institutions and they are all riding in the same boat. If one goes down, they all go down. Their fates are intertwined. 

Where's the outrage? There is none, because they're not manufacturing it. The narrative is manufactured. Any politician calling for the complete Epstein files to be released unredacted is doing so only to give you the illusion that our politicians aren't fully controlled.

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