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Saw a write up on the Moose sub-tank bars. Has anyone tried them? I need new bars and they are not much more than Pro Tapers....
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AMA714 4/16/2009 5:26am
4/16/2009 5:26am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2009 5:28am
nobody tried these? I like the idea of not having sub tanks to hide... just not so sure if the bars make for a good sub tank..
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Camp332 4/16/2009 5:31am
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I had no idea what you were talking about until I googled them.

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AMA714 4/16/2009 5:34am
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Hey Cam. Yeah it seems like a good alternative to having tanks strapped to the forks but I have never seen them in action.
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Camp332 4/16/2009 5:36am
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I'd like to see how the internals are designed. Pretty cool concept, and it totally makes sense to do.

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Matt Fisher 4/16/2009 7:59am
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I've tried them, and was impressed. Virtually no weight added, super easy to adjust even while riding, and they make bleeding the air out a no-brainer. I could certainly feel a difference between the various clicker settings, they seemed to smooth out the hit my wrists took while charging through rocks. I also noticed that different settings would alter how the bike responded to small jumps or whoops.

TGT Racing actually designed and mfgs the bars, Moose markets them.
http://www.tgtracing.com/

MXA did a write-up on them about a year ago- gave the bars a 5 star rating.
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Camp332 wrote:
I'd like to see how the internals are designed. Pretty cool concept, and it totally makes sense to do.
Smart for sure. Like yourself I googled it, TT has a lot of chatter on them and all good. Looks like something worth adding.
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jtomasik 4/16/2009 9:15am
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Pretty cool. They remind me I gotta get those quick bleed air valves on my forks. Dang. Keep forgetting. Having the Flex bars doesn't help, either. The Flex bars take the fear out of coming up short. I came down hard several times trying jumps I normally wouldn't, and it's been amazing how they've taken up the hit, along with my forks.

Ok...sorry to hijack the thread.
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Void Main 4/16/2009 10:16am
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Looks to me like it would be easy to use your favorite handlebar for this. The hoses are a separate item anyway. Looks like all you have to do is drill a hole in the bar and tap it then weld both ends shut and away you go. According to the description on the Moose site that's basically all they've done.

Of course that wouldn't exactly work for me since I have to run bark busters (Cycra Probends). If I weld the ends shut I can't insert the mount. I'm guessing the moose bar is sealed up a couple of inches from the end leaving room for the bark buster.
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AMA714 4/16/2009 11:17am
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I had Enzo subs on my last CRF 450 and did like them. But I might try this out since I was looking to try a different bar bend anyway. I wonder what options they have.
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Void Main wrote:
Looks to me like it would be easy to use your favorite handlebar for this. The hoses are a separate item anyway. Looks like all you...
Looks to me like it would be easy to use your favorite handlebar for this. The hoses are a separate item anyway. Looks like all you have to do is drill a hole in the bar and tap it then weld both ends shut and away you go. According to the description on the Moose site that's basically all they've done.

Of course that wouldn't exactly work for me since I have to run bark busters (Cycra Probends). If I weld the ends shut I can't insert the mount. I'm guessing the moose bar is sealed up a couple of inches from the end leaving room for the bark buster.
How do the cyra guards mount in the end of the bars? If they use the crushed rubber hose to expand set up they might already seal the ends for you.
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Void Main wrote:
Looks to me like it would be easy to use your favorite handlebar for this. The hoses are a separate item anyway. Looks like all you...
Looks to me like it would be easy to use your favorite handlebar for this. The hoses are a separate item anyway. Looks like all you have to do is drill a hole in the bar and tap it then weld both ends shut and away you go. According to the description on the Moose site that's basically all they've done.

Of course that wouldn't exactly work for me since I have to run bark busters (Cycra Probends). If I weld the ends shut I can't insert the mount. I'm guessing the moose bar is sealed up a couple of inches from the end leaving room for the bark buster.
lumpy790 wrote:
How do the cyra guards mount in the end of the bars? If they use the crushed rubber hose to expand set up they might already...
How do the cyra guards mount in the end of the bars? If they use the crushed rubber hose to expand set up they might already seal the ends for you.
It's not crushed rubber but the split bushing type. Not sure what the official name is. The ones I run definitely won't make a seal but I don't see why I couldn't use the rubber mounts. It would save me from having to weld the ends shut. Good idea!
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Void Main wrote:
Looks to me like it would be easy to use your favorite handlebar for this. The hoses are a separate item anyway. Looks like all you...
Looks to me like it would be easy to use your favorite handlebar for this. The hoses are a separate item anyway. Looks like all you have to do is drill a hole in the bar and tap it then weld both ends shut and away you go. According to the description on the Moose site that's basically all they've done.

Of course that wouldn't exactly work for me since I have to run bark busters (Cycra Probends). If I weld the ends shut I can't insert the mount. I'm guessing the moose bar is sealed up a couple of inches from the end leaving room for the bark buster.
lumpy790 wrote:
How do the cyra guards mount in the end of the bars? If they use the crushed rubber hose to expand set up they might already...
How do the cyra guards mount in the end of the bars? If they use the crushed rubber hose to expand set up they might already seal the ends for you.
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It's not crushed rubber but the split bushing type. Not sure what the official name is. The ones I run definitely won't make a seal but...
It's not crushed rubber but the split bushing type. Not sure what the official name is. The ones I run definitely won't make a seal but I don't see why I couldn't use the rubber mounts. It would save me from having to weld the ends shut. Good idea!
I hate to reply to my own message but after thinking about this a little more I don't think that would be suck a good idea for a couple of reasons:

- Too easy to get contamination/particles down in the bars if you have to remove the bark busters to work on the bike
- Fork oil up around the rubber mount probably would not be good.

Other than that it's a good idea. Smile
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AMA714 4/17/2009 6:06am
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I agree Void. I think you would be better off turning down a Teflon or rubber plug and then pounding it in the bar... compression fit. Plus welding a plug would anneal the temper in the bars

I think I have some Teflon around from the days of making plugs to go in the wrist pin on our mod snow mobiles.
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How much more oil would need to be added to a set up like this?
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ACMYERS wrote:
How much more oil would need to be added to a set up like this?
It depends on the type of riding that you intend to do and your speed. If you have issues bottoming, you can play around with it until you get the settings right. I have added up to 25cc's in each leg for bottoming, and then played around with the adjuster knob until I got the desired plushness setting over the small bumps. I know some slower riders that just bolt it on and go. You just have to be realistic about your speed and what you are looking for. Once you ride with this system it's hard to go back. It tracks better on turn in and the small bumps all but disappear. You can get the front end to feel like an xr over the small bumps but set up the bike to resist bottoming as well.
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AMA714 4/17/2009 1:00pm
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With sub tanks I went up 12cc over stock. It all depends if you had a bottoming issue to begin with. i run my stuff pretty stiff so I just wanted to get rid of the harshness on small stuff, so I would imagine these to be similar
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AMA714 wrote:
I agree Void. I think you would be better off turning down a Teflon or rubber plug and then pounding it in the bar... compression fit...
I agree Void. I think you would be better off turning down a Teflon or rubber plug and then pounding it in the bar... compression fit. Plus welding a plug would anneal the temper in the bars

I think I have some Teflon around from the days of making plugs to go in the wrist pin on our mod snow mobiles.
Good idea. Rubber plugs would probably be the ticket. Just drive them into the bar far enough so that there is room left for the bark buster mounts.
Matt Fisher 4/17/2009 8:08pm
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Based on what MXA says about the current crop of KTM's all needing to have 15-20cc's of oil removed from the forks, adding these bars might be the perfect upgrade.

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jtomasik wrote:
Pretty cool. They remind me I gotta get those quick bleed air valves on my forks. Dang. Keep forgetting. Having the Flex bars doesn't help, either...
Pretty cool. They remind me I gotta get those quick bleed air valves on my forks. Dang. Keep forgetting. Having the Flex bars doesn't help, either. The Flex bars take the fear out of coming up short. I came down hard several times trying jumps I normally wouldn't, and it's been amazing how they've taken up the hit, along with my forks.

Ok...sorry to hijack the thread.
I'm sportin' these...

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Matt Fisher wrote:
Based on what MXA says about the current crop of KTM's all needing to have 15-20cc's of oil removed from the forks, adding these bars might...
Based on what MXA says about the current crop of KTM's all needing to have 15-20cc's of oil removed from the forks, adding these bars might be the perfect upgrade.
How would that affect the bladders in the top of the forks?
Matt Fisher 4/17/2009 9:43pm
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Matt Fisher wrote:
Based on what MXA says about the current crop of KTM's all needing to have 15-20cc's of oil removed from the forks, adding these bars might...
Based on what MXA says about the current crop of KTM's all needing to have 15-20cc's of oil removed from the forks, adding these bars might be the perfect upgrade.
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How would that affect the bladders in the top of the forks?
Are the bladders not open to the fork top?
Based on what you wrote, I'm guessing they're different than my Showa's.

MXA has mentioned that removing 15-20cc's of oil softens up the forks just a bit, much like adding subtanks would do. My thought was by adding these bars, one wouldn't need to remove any oil. Am I missing something?
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jtomasik wrote:
Pretty cool. They remind me I gotta get those quick bleed air valves on my forks. Dang. Keep forgetting. Having the Flex bars doesn't help, either...
Pretty cool. They remind me I gotta get those quick bleed air valves on my forks. Dang. Keep forgetting. Having the Flex bars doesn't help, either. The Flex bars take the fear out of coming up short. I came down hard several times trying jumps I normally wouldn't, and it's been amazing how they've taken up the hit, along with my forks.

Ok...sorry to hijack the thread.
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I'm sportin' these... [img]http://www.zeta-racing.com/body/forktop/all-image/ZE91-1103.jpg[/img]
I'm sportin' these...

I've been running those for several years now too.
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ACMYERS 4/18/2009 6:08am
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Matt Fisher wrote:
Based on what MXA says about the current crop of KTM's all needing to have 15-20cc's of oil removed from the forks, adding these bars might...
Based on what MXA says about the current crop of KTM's all needing to have 15-20cc's of oil removed from the forks, adding these bars might be the perfect upgrade.
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How would that affect the bladders in the top of the forks?
Matt Fisher wrote:
Are the bladders not open to the fork top? Based on what you wrote, I'm guessing they're different than my Showa's. MXA has mentioned that removing...
Are the bladders not open to the fork top?
Based on what you wrote, I'm guessing they're different than my Showa's.

MXA has mentioned that removing 15-20cc's of oil softens up the forks just a bit, much like adding subtanks would do. My thought was by adding these bars, one wouldn't need to remove any oil. Am I missing something?
No Matt. Your fine. I really don't have a good understanding of the bladders in KTM forks. I'm Probably way off but, I do think they are seperate.
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BIGHEAD1 4/18/2009 11:04am
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The thing that concerns me is A. If it has a check valve to keep oil out then you are losing out on some performance compared to say ENZO subtanks. B. If it doesn't your handlebars will slowly fill with oil.
Matt Fisher 4/18/2009 1:57pm
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The thing that concerns me is A. If it has a check valve to keep oil out then you are losing out on some performance compared...
The thing that concerns me is A. If it has a check valve to keep oil out then you are losing out on some performance compared to say ENZO subtanks. B. If it doesn't your handlebars will slowly fill with oil.
Won't gravity keep that from happening with the bars, while actual subtanks would have a higher likelyhood of getting oil in them?

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