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7/19/2014 9:51am
Think we all know what happened to that other plane now.. Probably shot 8 of those BUK's at it at the same time
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7/19/2014 10:16am
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VoiceOfDonetsk ‏@VoiceOfDonetsk 3m Terrorists destroy all the evidence at the crash site of the Boeing #MH17. Trying to cover their tracks? [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs631-ECcAAr3Ck.jpg[/img]
VoiceOfDonetsk ‏@VoiceOfDonetsk 3m

Terrorists destroy all the evidence at the crash site of the Boeing #MH17. Trying to cover their tracks?


I saw this video and it makes them look so guilty.
Who does this?
Hearing how they're using dead people's credit cards is sickening.

Putin's reputation is beyond repair.
7/19/2014 10:45am
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UN and American investigators are suppose to be on there way. by the looks of it they aren't even going to get past the road blocks...
UN and American investigators are suppose to be on there way. by the looks of it they aren't even going to get past the road blocks and sure as hell won't be anything left to investigate. This is a building shit storm folks...As said before this is getting creepy scary.
I live next to NORAD and a Military base.(Ft. Carson, Peterson AF Base). I guess when shit does break out I will know
A guy wrote a column on CNN.com about, "Is this a Franz Ferdinand moment", referring to the assassination that started the World Wars. It's full of inconsistency and incorrect facts (for one thing it said the plane was going 800 MPH, which is impossible), but this really is starting to get scary.

But just like it's in nobody's interest to shoot down the plane in the first place, it's also in nobody's interest to go to war with Russia now. Nobody wins in that scenario. Besides, I'm sure there is enough data available to say who shot the missile without any scene forensics. At best, scene forensics would tell you what kind of missile was used, and everyone seems to already know that. Where it hit the plane (if it actually hit it at all) is pretty irrelevant at this point.
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This is so out of hand it can be. Can't believe no one is doing anything about it. I'm speechless and sad.
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Even after all this Angela Merkel is against sanctions on Russia and want's Ukraine to have peace talks with terrorists. She's just as much out there...
Even after all this Angela Merkel is against sanctions on Russia and want's Ukraine to have peace talks with terrorists. She's just as much out there as Putin.
No one is willing to get their hands dirty. Angela is usually a good dude, the reason she wants peace is because that is the easiest and CHEAPEST way to end this. The problem I see there is hipocracy. If someone commits a crime under your watch they get punished. If they do it under someone elses, just shake on it, WTF? The criminals need to know what they did wrong, not just a slap on the wrist. There is a reason NATO and UN exists. You act when someone else can't. Not just to protect your own shit.

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7/19/2014 12:19pm
CNN reporter about crash site: "no cellphones, no wallets, no purses". Fucking vultures.
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7/19/2014 12:47pm
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CNN reporter about crash site: "no cellphones, no wallets, no purses". Fucking vultures.
Dumbasses forget, these days they can track that shit. They'll get them
7/19/2014 12:51pm
The only way Putin can avoid owning this fiasco is to send his military in expressly to secure the site and recover the bodies. Then, as soon as that's finished, withdraw his forces. He can't stand by and watch this happening unless he wants to own this lock, stock and barrel.
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[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs7pAJdCQAA3OFw.jpg[/img]
Kongols, can you give me a run down about who is who. Seems like every thing I read is , rebels, separatist, DNR ect I can't tell who's who lol
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Kongols, can you give me a run down about who is who. Seems like every thing I read is , rebels, separatist, DNR ect I can't...
Kongols, can you give me a run down about who is who. Seems like every thing I read is , rebels, separatist, DNR ect I can't tell who's who lol
Start at Page 16..halfway down.
7/19/2014 8:11pm
wonder when the US is gonna release everything they know. Well, almost everything.
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wonder when the US is gonna release everything they know. Well, almost everything.
Never



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7/20/2014 2:53am Edited Date/Time 7/20/2014 2:57am
Paul Sonne ‏@PaulSonne 52m

Bodies being loaded into these refrigerated rail cars in city of Torez. #MH17


Shaun Walker ‏@shaunwalker7 53m

MH17 bodies - an unverifiable number - are being held in refrigerated wagons at Torez station. The stench is unbearable. Lots of armed men.






Paul Sonne ‏@PaulSonne 27m

Here is the refrigerated train. It's chugging to cool the cars but not going anywhere. Security has disappeared #MH17



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A guy wrote a column on CNN.com about, "Is this a Franz Ferdinand moment", referring to the assassination that started the World Wars. It's full of...
A guy wrote a column on CNN.com about, "Is this a Franz Ferdinand moment", referring to the assassination that started the World Wars. It's full of inconsistency and incorrect facts (for one thing it said the plane was going 800 MPH, which is impossible), but this really is starting to get scary.

But just like it's in nobody's interest to shoot down the plane in the first place, it's also in nobody's interest to go to war with Russia now. Nobody wins in that scenario. Besides, I'm sure there is enough data available to say who shot the missile without any scene forensics. At best, scene forensics would tell you what kind of missile was used, and everyone seems to already know that. Where it hit the plane (if it actually hit it at all) is pretty irrelevant at this point.
I dont think it is a franz ferdinand moment, because in reality the west doesn't care. Germany, which is the major power in Europe doesnt care.
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Not surprised at all...
7/20/2014 4:35am
A guy wrote a column on CNN.com about, "Is this a Franz Ferdinand moment", referring to the assassination that started the World Wars. It's full of...
A guy wrote a column on CNN.com about, "Is this a Franz Ferdinand moment", referring to the assassination that started the World Wars. It's full of inconsistency and incorrect facts (for one thing it said the plane was going 800 MPH, which is impossible), but this really is starting to get scary.

But just like it's in nobody's interest to shoot down the plane in the first place, it's also in nobody's interest to go to war with Russia now. Nobody wins in that scenario. Besides, I'm sure there is enough data available to say who shot the missile without any scene forensics. At best, scene forensics would tell you what kind of missile was used, and everyone seems to already know that. Where it hit the plane (if it actually hit it at all) is pretty irrelevant at this point.
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I dont think it is a franz ferdinand moment, because in reality the west doesn't care. Germany, which is the major power in Europe doesnt care.
Europe almost can't afford to care. Europe can't get in a pissing match with Putin because Putin controls their energy supply. If Putin cuts off their natural gas, or limits it, European industry comes to a screeching halt.

The airliner tragedy is done. There's no fixing that. The situation on the ground is appalling and disgusting, but it'll get resolved eventually. The ongoing problem, it seems to me, is that Putin himself is becoming dangerously erratic and irrational.
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VoiceOfDonetsk ‏@VoiceOfDonetsk 6m

If this is real "black box",then why terrorists deny that they have it? I'm afraid they can "casually appeared" in RF


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Just Hovens Greve ‏@JustHovensGreve 6h

Biggest Dutch newspaper,Telegraaf, asks for military intervention by NATO to protect #MH17 & calls Putin a KGB liar.


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VoiceOfDonetsk ‏@VoiceOfDonetsk 6m If this is real "black box",then why terrorists deny that they have it? I'm afraid they can "casually appeared" in RF [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs_T-hyCAAAEyEB.jpg[/img]
VoiceOfDonetsk ‏@VoiceOfDonetsk 6m

If this is real "black box",then why terrorists deny that they have it? I'm afraid they can "casually appeared" in RF


Reuters reported earlier that they have found the black box. Aleksandr Borodaj (separatist leader) also confirmed this earlier and they will be transportet to Donetsk later. He also stated that the box is under THEIR control.

The reports differ a bit. AP reported that the boxes will be delivered to IATA. Which I highly doubt.
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Russia has their stamp all over this, they can clean up all they want and still never have the evidence disappear.
The Family's continue to suffer and may never have their loved one's back. Putin and his terrorist buddy's need to be putin an airplane and shot down.

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"The world's television media seemed oblivious to the irony of criticising the chaos while contributing to it – wading through fields to get a better shot with little regard for the human and material debris below. Sky had to apologise after one of its reporters rummaged through a suitcase on camera for effect." - The Guardian
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"Nevertheless, despite the loud accusations of looting by locals, it is unclear how widespread this has been. Dozens of eminently lootable items – watches, new pairs of shoes and even somehow unharmed bottles of duty-free alcohol visible from the road lay untouched on the ground, and at one site locals had even brought furry toys and small candles in tribute. It was unclear if and how relatives would ever be able to take possession of the items that lay scattered over a huge radius." - The Guardian
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7/20/2014 1:37pm
Eerily very similar to what happened to MH17

"In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes, differences, claims, counterclaims" relating to the incident at the International Court of Justice, including an apology in the form of "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the Loss of lives caused by the incident...".[9] As part of the settlement, the United States did not admit legal liability but agreed to pay US$61.8 million, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims."

Russia needs to "Man-up" and say they made a mistake but instead they try and brush it under a rug "Nothing to see here" type shit which makes them look even more Fkd up. Juvenile type thinkin.

Thxs for the link BigAl
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BigAl wrote:
Old-Man wrote:
Eerily very similar to what happened to MH17 [i]"In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes...
Eerily very similar to what happened to MH17

"In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes, differences, claims, counterclaims" relating to the incident at the International Court of Justice, including an apology in the form of "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the Loss of lives caused by the incident...".[9] As part of the settlement, the United States did not admit legal liability but agreed to pay US$61.8 million, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims."

Russia needs to "Man-up" and say they made a mistake but instead they try and brush it under a rug "Nothing to see here" type shit which makes them look even more Fkd up. Juvenile type thinkin.

Thxs for the link BigAl
So thats the amount of money a life is worth + inflation.

$213,103.45 in 1988 is about $413344.23 in 2013 * 298 = $123,176,580.54
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7/20/2014 2:23pm
BigAl wrote:
Old-Man wrote:
Eerily very similar to what happened to MH17 [i]"In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes...
Eerily very similar to what happened to MH17

"In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes, differences, claims, counterclaims" relating to the incident at the International Court of Justice, including an apology in the form of "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the Loss of lives caused by the incident...".[9] As part of the settlement, the United States did not admit legal liability but agreed to pay US$61.8 million, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims."

Russia needs to "Man-up" and say they made a mistake but instead they try and brush it under a rug "Nothing to see here" type shit which makes them look even more Fkd up. Juvenile type thinkin.

Thxs for the link BigAl
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So thats the amount of money a life is worth + inflation.

$213,103.45 in 1988 is about $413344.23 in 2013 * 298 = $123,176,580.54
Right, So in this case it's worth nothing...so far, maybe in 8 years like the link shows the Families will get some type of closure. but to have your Family members loaded in a dump truck and brought to a ref. train for all media to see is inconceivable.

Nothing good about War.

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