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By The Associated Press
The state of Alabama has given its 37,527 employees until 2010 to start getting fit -- or they'll pay $25 a month for insurance that otherwise is free.

Alabama will be the first state to charge its overweight workers who don't try to slim down, while a handful of other states reward employees who adopt healthful behaviors.

Alabama already charges workers who smoke -- and has seen some success in getting them to quit -- but now has turned its attention to a problem that plagues many people in the Deep South: obesity.

The State Employees' Insurance Board earlier this month approved a plan to charge state workers starting in January 2010 if they don't get free health screenings.

If the screenings turn up serious problems with blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose or obesity, employees will have a year to see a doctor at no cost, enroll in a wellness program or take steps on their own to improve their health. If they show progress in a follow-up screening, they won't be charged. But if they don't, they must pay starting in January 2011.

"We are trying to get individuals to become more aware of their health," said state worker Robert Wagstaff, who serves on the insurance board.

Not all state employees see it that way.

"It's terrible," said health department employee Chequla Motley. "Some people come into this world big."

Computer technician Tim Colley already pays $24 a month for being a smoker and doesn't like the idea of another charge.

"It's too Big Brotherish," he said.

The board will apply the obesity charge to anyone with a body mass index of 35 or higher who is not making progress. A person 5 feet 6 inches tall weighing 220 pounds, for example, would have a BMI of 35.5. A BMI of 30 is considered the threshold for obesity.

The board has not yet determined how much progress a person would have to show and is uncertain how many people might be affected, because everyone could avoid the charge by working to lose weight.

But that's unlikely. Government statistics show Alabamans have a big weight problem. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 30.3% are now obese, ranking the state behind only Mississippi.

E.K. Daufin of Montgomery, a college professor and founder of Love Your Body, Love Yourself, which holds body acceptance workshops, said the new policy will be stressful for people like her.

"I'm big and beautiful and doing my best to keep my stress levels down so I can stay healthy," Daufin said. "That's big, not lazy, not a glutton and certainly not deserving of the pompous, poisonous disrespect served up daily to those of us with more bounce to the ounce."

A recent study suggested that about half of overweight people and nearly a third of obese people have normal blood pressure and cholesterol levels, while about a quarter of people considered to be of normal weight suffer from the ills associated with obesity.

No intent to punish
Walter Lindstrom, founder of the Obesity Law and Advocacy Center in California, is concerned that all overweight Alabama employees will get is advice to walk more and to broil their chicken.

"The state will feel good about itself for offering something, and the person of size will end up paying $300 a year for the bad luck of having a chronic disease his/her state-sponsored insurance program failed to cover in an appropriate and meaningful fashion," he said.

William Ashmore, executive director of the State Employees' Insurance Board, said the state will spend an extra $1.6 million next year on screenings and wellness programs but should see significant long-term savings.

Ashmore said research shows someone with a body mass index of 35 to 39 generates $1,748 more in annual medical expenses than someone with a BMI of less than 25, which is considered normal.

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, a few states offer one-time financial incentives for people pursuing healthy lifestyles. Ohio workers, for instance, get $50 for having health assessments and another $50 for following through with the advice.

Arkansas and Missouri go a step further, offering monthly discounts on premiums for employees who take health risk assessments and participate in wellness programs to reduce obesity, stress and other health problems.

Alabama's new policy is drawing no objection from the lobbying group representing state workers.

Mac McArthur, the executive director of the Alabama State Employees Association, said the plan is not designed to punish employees.

"It's a positive," he said.
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OBAMA has said that if america wasn't so fat ,we wouldn't need imported oil..lose weight and be slim like me..
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How would they know if you smoked?
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Sounds like a bunch of shit to me
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here comes the fat tax..you'll be paying alot dave

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Crash82 just took his shirt off!!! Sick
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older, overweight people have more health problems. They have been charging young men more for car insurance for ages. I don't see where the issue is?!? Now, if they were charging them more by ETHNICITY, that would be wrong. You don't get to choose your race

how is this legit?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2008/08/and_the_latest_nyc_idea_for…

strange times we live in..
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8/26/2008 9:59am Edited Date/Time 8/26/2008 10:12am
justlovemx wrote:
here comes the fat tax..you'll be paying alot dave
dave won't be paying anything. He will be getting credits he can sell in a fat-and-trade system. call them lipid credits

i most likely owe about 30 credits right now
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8/26/2008 10:02am Edited Date/Time 8/26/2008 10:03am
its his fat mouth that going to cost him..LOL
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yes it is a good idea..do health insurnace companies have health managers..teaching people how to stay trim and healthy to keep costs down?
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BMI is the most unaccurate thing in the WORLD.

I was 6'6" and 220lbs in college, an active athlete practicing twice a day and whenever I would do those stupid things online they'd tell me I was a little overweight.

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Motivation is needed for people to loose weight. However, there ARE a lot of people that are born to parents that are just big. I had a friend in high school that wrestled on our team. He weighed about 200 and was probably 5'-9" tall. After high school he gained another 30 pounds or so but could still run just as far as I could. He could ride a bicycle as hard and long as me. He's still that size and never will be smaller, no matter what he does. He'll be loosing $300 to the fat tax.

I don't think it's fair. I think it's just another attempt at reducing the medical coverage offered and raising the cost by the insurance companies.
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This already is happening where I work. We have a wellness plan that employees and their spouses have to follow or you pay more per week for health insurance.
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wpcjs wrote:
How would they know if you smoked?
Blood test. Insurance companies been using it for years to fuck people over.
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BMI is the most unaccurate thing in the WORLD. I was 6'6" and 220lbs in college, an active athlete practicing twice a day and whenever I...
BMI is the most unaccurate thing in the WORLD.

I was 6'6" and 220lbs in college, an active athlete practicing twice a day and whenever I would do those stupid things online they'd tell me I was a little overweight.

You are fat you stoopid punk ass kid. Put down the energy drinks, keg parties, MickeyDee's and call Jenny Craig. Im tired of funding your fat sickness bills.












/sarcasm

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8/26/2008 11:54am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:11pm
alphado wrote:
This already is happening where I work. We have a wellness plan that employees and their spouses have to follow or you pay more per week...
This already is happening where I work. We have a wellness plan that employees and their spouses have to follow or you pay more per week for health insurance.
one of the couples on biggest loser last season were going through and even worse case. if the guy didn't get down to XXX amount by XX/XX/XXXX they were going to deny him coverage..


i think KTM boy meant 6' 2" not 6' 6". If you were 6' 6" and 220 pounds, you were in fantastic shape..(even though the BMI numbers are admittedly FUBAR) the BMI is not an accurate indicator of fitness, B/C it does not take muscle mass into account.
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jtiger12 wrote:
older, overweight people have more health problems. They have been charging young men more for car insurance for ages. I don't see where the issue is...
older, overweight people have more health problems. They have been charging young men more for car insurance for ages. I don't see where the issue is?!? Now, if they were charging them more by ETHNICITY, that would be wrong. You don't get to choose your race

how is this legit?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2008/08/and_the_latest_nyc_idea_for…

strange times we live in..
why is it wrong to take into account ethnicity if it's not wrong to take into account sex? Traditionally speaking you don't choose your sex that I'm aware of.
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alphado wrote:
This already is happening where I work. We have a wellness plan that employees and their spouses have to follow or you pay more per week...
This already is happening where I work. We have a wellness plan that employees and their spouses have to follow or you pay more per week for health insurance.
jtiger12 wrote:
one of the couples on biggest loser last season were going through and even worse case. if the guy didn't get down to XXX amount by...
one of the couples on biggest loser last season were going through and even worse case. if the guy didn't get down to XXX amount by XX/XX/XXXX they were going to deny him coverage..


i think KTM boy meant 6' 2" not 6' 6". If you were 6' 6" and 220 pounds, you were in fantastic shape..(even though the BMI numbers are admittedly FUBAR) the BMI is not an accurate indicator of fitness, B/C it does not take muscle mass into account.
he meant 6'6"
8/26/2008 12:04pm
smokers and overweight people are costing the health insurance companies the most money,so why not charge them more?
I tried to get individual insurance back in my early 20's when I worked for myself. I was using steroids at the time. They came by my house and did urine and blood tests. Within 3 days I called to see when my premiums where due (they never called me). I was told due to my steroid use, they would not cover me.
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jtiger12 wrote:
older, overweight people have more health problems. They have been charging young men more for car insurance for ages. I don't see where the issue is...
older, overweight people have more health problems. They have been charging young men more for car insurance for ages. I don't see where the issue is?!? Now, if they were charging them more by ETHNICITY, that would be wrong. You don't get to choose your race

how is this legit?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2008/08/and_the_latest_nyc_idea_for…

strange times we live in..
txmxer wrote:
why is it wrong to take into account ethnicity if it's not wrong to take into account sex? Traditionally speaking you don't choose your sex that...
why is it wrong to take into account ethnicity if it's not wrong to take into account sex? Traditionally speaking you don't choose your sex that I'm aware of.
with my quick scan of the story, i don't see Sex mentioned anywhere? if you search the entire page (Ctrl+F), the topic doesn't come into play until you posted it.


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alphado wrote:
This already is happening where I work. We have a wellness plan that employees and their spouses have to follow or you pay more per week...
This already is happening where I work. We have a wellness plan that employees and their spouses have to follow or you pay more per week for health insurance.
We have this same thing at our shop. Luckily i qualify for the insurance without spending a dime...
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alphado wrote:
This already is happening where I work. We have a wellness plan that employees and their spouses have to follow or you pay more per week...
This already is happening where I work. We have a wellness plan that employees and their spouses have to follow or you pay more per week for health insurance.
jtiger12 wrote:
one of the couples on biggest loser last season were going through and even worse case. if the guy didn't get down to XXX amount by...
one of the couples on biggest loser last season were going through and even worse case. if the guy didn't get down to XXX amount by XX/XX/XXXX they were going to deny him coverage..


i think KTM boy meant 6' 2" not 6' 6". If you were 6' 6" and 220 pounds, you were in fantastic shape..(even though the BMI numbers are admittedly FUBAR) the BMI is not an accurate indicator of fitness, B/C it does not take muscle mass into account.
txmxer wrote:
he meant 6'6"
hehehe... w3rd!
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pretty soon you'll just have "Genetic Insurance" issued at birth...
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jtiger12 wrote:
older, overweight people have more health problems. They have been charging young men more for car insurance for ages. I don't see where the issue is...
older, overweight people have more health problems. They have been charging young men more for car insurance for ages. I don't see where the issue is?!? Now, if they were charging them more by ETHNICITY, that would be wrong. You don't get to choose your race

how is this legit?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2008/08/and_the_latest_nyc_idea_for…

strange times we live in..
txmxer wrote:
why is it wrong to take into account ethnicity if it's not wrong to take into account sex? Traditionally speaking you don't choose your sex that...
why is it wrong to take into account ethnicity if it's not wrong to take into account sex? Traditionally speaking you don't choose your sex that I'm aware of.
jtiger12 wrote:
with my quick scan of the story, i don't see Sex mentioned anywhere? if you search the entire page (Ctrl+F), the topic doesn't come into play...
with my quick scan of the story, i don't see Sex mentioned anywhere? if you search the entire page (Ctrl+F), the topic doesn't come into play until you posted it.


tigger...you said, "They have been charging young men more for car insurance for ages."

that is where sex entered the conversation. Sorry to have confused you by quoting your own words in a response to what you specifically said.

Wink

note, it's just a question and not a statement of personal belief.
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Accountability.

I like it.
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We heard about his Grandma, just as she went under the bus in favor of the good reverend.
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I'm not fat, but I think this is BS. Like someone said, how about the people that are born into it and can't do anything about it?

The way I see it is that they are subjecting this on people to hide the real problem which is everyone being sue happy. United States needs to change the system to say that if you sue someone and your wrong then you pay for all the lawyer and court fees. That would stop about 75% of the bullshit that comes thru the system.
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BMI is the most unaccurate thing in the WORLD. I was 6'6" and 220lbs in college, an active athlete practicing twice a day and whenever I...
BMI is the most unaccurate thing in the WORLD.

I was 6'6" and 220lbs in college, an active athlete practicing twice a day and whenever I would do those stupid things online they'd tell me I was a little overweight.

Bingo.
The military uses a similar system for their physical readiness tests (or whatever they're called now). I have a buddy who's built like a gorilla – about as strong as one, too – and he always had to get waivers for the PRT because his neck was too thick. He had maybe 10% body fat.
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Phlapjax wrote:
[url=http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/InsureYourHealth/AlabamaHitsObeseWorkersWithFee.aspx]MSN Link[/url] By The Associated Press The state of Alabama has given its 37,527 employees until 2010 to start getting fit -- or they'll pay $25...
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By The Associated Press
The state of Alabama has given its 37,527 employees until 2010 to start getting fit -- or they'll pay $25 a month for insurance that otherwise is free.

Alabama will be the first state to charge its overweight workers who don't try to slim down, while a handful of other states reward employees who adopt healthful behaviors.

Alabama already charges workers who smoke -- and has seen some success in getting them to quit -- but now has turned its attention to a problem that plagues many people in the Deep South: obesity.

The State Employees' Insurance Board earlier this month approved a plan to charge state workers starting in January 2010 if they don't get free health screenings.

If the screenings turn up serious problems with blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose or obesity, employees will have a year to see a doctor at no cost, enroll in a wellness program or take steps on their own to improve their health. If they show progress in a follow-up screening, they won't be charged. But if they don't, they must pay starting in January 2011.

"We are trying to get individuals to become more aware of their health," said state worker Robert Wagstaff, who serves on the insurance board.

Not all state employees see it that way.

"It's terrible," said health department employee Chequla Motley. "Some people come into this world big."

Computer technician Tim Colley already pays $24 a month for being a smoker and doesn't like the idea of another charge.

"It's too Big Brotherish," he said.

The board will apply the obesity charge to anyone with a body mass index of 35 or higher who is not making progress. A person 5 feet 6 inches tall weighing 220 pounds, for example, would have a BMI of 35.5. A BMI of 30 is considered the threshold for obesity.

The board has not yet determined how much progress a person would have to show and is uncertain how many people might be affected, because everyone could avoid the charge by working to lose weight.

But that's unlikely. Government statistics show Alabamans have a big weight problem. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 30.3% are now obese, ranking the state behind only Mississippi.

E.K. Daufin of Montgomery, a college professor and founder of Love Your Body, Love Yourself, which holds body acceptance workshops, said the new policy will be stressful for people like her.

"I'm big and beautiful and doing my best to keep my stress levels down so I can stay healthy," Daufin said. "That's big, not lazy, not a glutton and certainly not deserving of the pompous, poisonous disrespect served up daily to those of us with more bounce to the ounce."

A recent study suggested that about half of overweight people and nearly a third of obese people have normal blood pressure and cholesterol levels, while about a quarter of people considered to be of normal weight suffer from the ills associated with obesity.

No intent to punish
Walter Lindstrom, founder of the Obesity Law and Advocacy Center in California, is concerned that all overweight Alabama employees will get is advice to walk more and to broil their chicken.

"The state will feel good about itself for offering something, and the person of size will end up paying $300 a year for the bad luck of having a chronic disease his/her state-sponsored insurance program failed to cover in an appropriate and meaningful fashion," he said.

William Ashmore, executive director of the State Employees' Insurance Board, said the state will spend an extra $1.6 million next year on screenings and wellness programs but should see significant long-term savings.

Ashmore said research shows someone with a body mass index of 35 to 39 generates $1,748 more in annual medical expenses than someone with a BMI of less than 25, which is considered normal.

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, a few states offer one-time financial incentives for people pursuing healthy lifestyles. Ohio workers, for instance, get $50 for having health assessments and another $50 for following through with the advice.

Arkansas and Missouri go a step further, offering monthly discounts on premiums for employees who take health risk assessments and participate in wellness programs to reduce obesity, stress and other health problems.

Alabama's new policy is drawing no objection from the lobbying group representing state workers.

Mac McArthur, the executive director of the Alabama State Employees Association, said the plan is not designed to punish employees.

"It's a positive," he said.
Can you explain this a little more? I spent 6 years in the Marine Corps and never knew anyone that had to get waivers because of their freaking neck size... If you could pass the run, pullups, situps, swim qual etc. tests you were good to go. BMI was never even a consideration. I am 6'1' 215lbs, which is an overweight BMI, but am 14.5% bf.
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Cool, everyone should endorse the government running your life!

"wellness program" wtf...

Get in line robots.
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Can you explain this a little more? I spent 6 years in the Marine Corps and never knew anyone that had to get waivers because of...
Can you explain this a little more? I spent 6 years in the Marine Corps and never knew anyone that had to get waivers because of their freaking neck size... If you could pass the run, pullups, situps, swim qual etc. tests you were good to go. BMI was never even a consideration. I am 6'1' 215lbs, which is an overweight BMI, but am 14.5% bf.
When I was in the Navy, there was some kind of formula they used where the docs measured your neck size and plugged that number in against your height and another number I can't remember to get your BMI. If your BMI was over a certain number, you had to clear medical in order to not be sent to the fat boy program. I guess "waiver" wasn't exactly the right choice of words, but there were hoops to jump through.
And like I said in my original post, my buddy was in the same boat as you, only 2" shorter.

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