Glyphosate in our food

APLMAN99 wrote:

Glyphosate has been around a LONG time, so if there has been a jump in autism over the last 5 years it would be hard to...

Glyphosate has been around a LONG time, so if there has been a jump in autism over the last 5 years it would be hard to conclude that it was from that.

Glyphosate is one of those 'taboo' issues with a lot of farmers/orchardists. It's actually a lot like the climate change issues, etc.

Most farmers know deep down that the stuff really does cause cancer in some people. But the fact that there really is no good alternative to glyphosate as a herbicide, they deny the data shown.

George Costanza wrote:

hasn't the use of it really exploded recently? round up ready seeds and such? i know autism had been rising and now this sudden jump... i...

hasn't the use of it really exploded recently? round up ready seeds and such? i know autism had been rising and now this sudden jump...

i do remember my dad talking about it many years(30?) ago and i remember he was skeptical of it.

hard to say with all the other types of medications that have popped up, i think the US is the most medicated country in the world? i guess it could be many things, all contributing. either way, kind of a shitty deal.

George Costanza wrote:

I was looking into this the other day, and much of our plant based food is being found with traces of Glyphosate (round up) on it...

I was looking into this the other day, and much of our plant based food is being found with traces of Glyphosate (round up) on it. a quick google and you will see the stats on it and what foods..

then i stumbled across this study that shows a 50% increase in autism over the last 5 years, and they mentioned Glyphosate as being one of the possible reasons.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2022/07/study-autism-rate-jumps-more-than-5…

I am skeptical that this shit is safe for our consumption, and it is being used all over the US on crops.

Just wondering if anyone here has knowledge or experience with it and how safe it is etc...?

could be a lot of autistic vegans running around in the future

APLMAN99 wrote:

Glyphosate has been around a LONG time, so if there has been a jump in autism over the last 5 years it would be hard to...

Glyphosate has been around a LONG time, so if there has been a jump in autism over the last 5 years it would be hard to conclude that it was from that.

Glyphosate is one of those 'taboo' issues with a lot of farmers/orchardists. It's actually a lot like the climate change issues, etc.

Most farmers know deep down that the stuff really does cause cancer in some people. But the fact that there really is no good alternative to glyphosate as a herbicide, they deny the data shown.

APLMAN99 wrote:

It's possible that there has been an increase, but I would be surprised if it is much. And for fruit crops it has been the 'go...

It's possible that there has been an increase, but I would be surprised if it is much. And for fruit crops it has been the 'go to' systemic herbicide for as long as I have been aware of the world around me (born in 65 and grew up on an apple and pear orchard so pretty long).

Actually I think that in orcharding it is probably used on a lot less of a percentage of the crop because so much of it has been converted to organic. Organic week control is a real bitch without being able to use glyphosate, that's for sure. Propane burners that can damage the trees and melt the irrigation lines are the main method here, although there are some people still using weed badger type of things that damage the feeder roots close to the surface.

But the data does show that glyphosate increases the incidence of cancer and I believe the research to be pretty solid. But again, without an alternative to use it gets denied by those who rely on its use.

APLMAN99 wrote:

It's possible that there has been an increase, but I would be surprised if it is much. And for fruit crops it has been the 'go...

It's possible that there has been an increase, but I would be surprised if it is much. And for fruit crops it has been the 'go to' systemic herbicide for as long as I have been aware of the world around me (born in 65 and grew up on an apple and pear orchard so pretty long).

Actually I think that in orcharding it is probably used on a lot less of a percentage of the crop because so much of it has been converted to organic. Organic week control is a real bitch without being able to use glyphosate, that's for sure. Propane burners that can damage the trees and melt the irrigation lines are the main method here, although there are some people still using weed badger type of things that damage the feeder roots close to the surface.

But the data does show that glyphosate increases the incidence of cancer and I believe the research to be pretty solid. But again, without an alternative to use it gets denied by those who rely on its use.

JAFO92 wrote:

Are you outta the biz now? For some reason I thought you were still a relatively big timer in that world. Which I think is cool...

Are you outta the biz now? For some reason I thought you were still a relatively big timer in that world. Which I think is cool AF and respect.

JAFO92 wrote:

Are you outta the biz now? For some reason I thought you were still a relatively big timer in that world. Which I think is cool...

Are you outta the biz now? For some reason I thought you were still a relatively big timer in that world. Which I think is cool AF and respect.

APLMAN99 wrote:

I'm not growing anything currently, still in a related field and have a lot of work entanglements with orcharding. I came back to the area to...

I'm not growing anything currently, still in a related field and have a lot of work entanglements with orcharding. I came back to the area to help my best friend farm but he got into a mess with a processor contract and nearly lost his place. He's rebounded (somewhat) but I moved to a manufacturing management/supply chain role and we supply products for the industry.

So I can go back to being unrespectable!!!!!!!!

George Costanza wrote:

cool. the company i work for is a manufacturer of HVAC systems for large vegetable storage systems, like potatoes, onions, carrots. We supply all fans/parts/sensors needed...

cool.

the company i work for is a manufacturer of HVAC systems for large vegetable storage systems, like potatoes, onions, carrots. We supply all fans/parts/sensors needed, but specifically we manufacture control panels, evaporative coolers, fresh air/exhaust doors, humidifiers, door controllers and large fans. Our claim to fame is our controls for the refrigeration systems.

early wrote:

GMO Glyphosphate resistant crops have been around for more than 20 years. Is that stuff good for you? I wouldn't say so. Is it causing autism...

GMO Glyphosphate resistant crops have been around for more than 20 years.

Is that stuff good for you? I wouldn't say so. Is it causing autism? Who knows.

If you read that article, the Chinese study that the numbers are pulled from credits the increase to expanded diagnosis parameters.

The glyphospgate stuff is a separate conclusion pulled from an Epoch Times article which is imo a suspect source of information.

FWIW, there are certified organic farming practices that have suspect health consequences as well.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Looking for info on glyphosate usage it does appear that its use has went up dramatically over the last 20 years or so, and the driver...

Looking for info on glyphosate usage it does appear that its use has went up dramatically over the last 20 years or so, and the driver looks to be the row crops that are genetically engineered for resistance. That's not something that happens much in tree fruits so that was really off my radar. But it definitely isn't simply a 5 year thing.

I tried to look at the actual study on the ASD increase but it's behind a pay wall. It does appear, based on the rate going up and down, that it's almost a WAG of sorts or it would be difficult for it to go down significantly one year then rise significantly the next. The ASD thing is interesting and I truly do think that some of it is that we didn't have the same diagnostic tools in the past. There could be a definite increase, but my gut feeling is that we are just better at recognizing it. My oldest son is a good example. Stellar mathematician and as an adult he does very well socially, but he has some issues that his doctors have said put him on the spectrum. Mostly sensory issues, like loud noises and stuff that seems very silly like the seams of his socks having to be just perfect, having to count his steps, etc. His issues are overall very mild, and wouldn't have been considered on the spectrum a decade ago.

swordfish wrote:

It has widespread use in forestry, they use it to reduce overgrowth, foliage, weeds, etc.
Basically vegetation control in planted Forrests.

swordfish wrote:

It has widespread use in forestry, they use it to reduce overgrowth, foliage, weeds, etc.
Basically vegetation control in planted Forrests.

JAFO92 wrote:

There are much better ways to control target grasses and broad leaf weeds than that stuff. Ive had an applicator license for 35+ years and personally...

There are much better ways to control target grasses and broad leaf weeds than that stuff. Ive had an applicator license for 35+ years and personally use all manner of stuff in my boom sprayer(s), but have zero need for glyphosate. I never want to kill everything, you are setting yourself up for serious erosion doing that.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Looking for info on glyphosate usage it does appear that its use has went up dramatically over the last 20 years or so, and the driver...

Looking for info on glyphosate usage it does appear that its use has went up dramatically over the last 20 years or so, and the driver looks to be the row crops that are genetically engineered for resistance. That's not something that happens much in tree fruits so that was really off my radar. But it definitely isn't simply a 5 year thing.

I tried to look at the actual study on the ASD increase but it's behind a pay wall. It does appear, based on the rate going up and down, that it's almost a WAG of sorts or it would be difficult for it to go down significantly one year then rise significantly the next. The ASD thing is interesting and I truly do think that some of it is that we didn't have the same diagnostic tools in the past. There could be a definite increase, but my gut feeling is that we are just better at recognizing it. My oldest son is a good example. Stellar mathematician and as an adult he does very well socially, but he has some issues that his doctors have said put him on the spectrum. Mostly sensory issues, like loud noises and stuff that seems very silly like the seams of his socks having to be just perfect, having to count his steps, etc. His issues are overall very mild, and wouldn't have been considered on the spectrum a decade ago.

swordfish wrote:

It has widespread use in forestry, they use it to reduce overgrowth, foliage, weeds, etc.
Basically vegetation control in planted Forrests.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Looking for info on glyphosate usage it does appear that its use has went up dramatically over the last 20 years or so, and the driver...

Looking for info on glyphosate usage it does appear that its use has went up dramatically over the last 20 years or so, and the driver looks to be the row crops that are genetically engineered for resistance. That's not something that happens much in tree fruits so that was really off my radar. But it definitely isn't simply a 5 year thing.

I tried to look at the actual study on the ASD increase but it's behind a pay wall. It does appear, based on the rate going up and down, that it's almost a WAG of sorts or it would be difficult for it to go down significantly one year then rise significantly the next. The ASD thing is interesting and I truly do think that some of it is that we didn't have the same diagnostic tools in the past. There could be a definite increase, but my gut feeling is that we are just better at recognizing it. My oldest son is a good example. Stellar mathematician and as an adult he does very well socially, but he has some issues that his doctors have said put him on the spectrum. Mostly sensory issues, like loud noises and stuff that seems very silly like the seams of his socks having to be just perfect, having to count his steps, etc. His issues are overall very mild, and wouldn't have been considered on the spectrum a decade ago.

swordfish wrote:

It has widespread use in forestry, they use it to reduce overgrowth, foliage, weeds, etc.
Basically vegetation control in planted Forrests.

APLMAN99 wrote:

It's possible that there has been an increase, but I would be surprised if it is much. And for fruit crops it has been the 'go...

It's possible that there has been an increase, but I would be surprised if it is much. And for fruit crops it has been the 'go to' systemic herbicide for as long as I have been aware of the world around me (born in 65 and grew up on an apple and pear orchard so pretty long).

Actually I think that in orcharding it is probably used on a lot less of a percentage of the crop because so much of it has been converted to organic. Organic week control is a real bitch without being able to use glyphosate, that's for sure. Propane burners that can damage the trees and melt the irrigation lines are the main method here, although there are some people still using weed badger type of things that damage the feeder roots close to the surface.

But the data does show that glyphosate increases the incidence of cancer and I believe the research to be pretty solid. But again, without an alternative to use it gets denied by those who rely on its use.

JAFO92 wrote:

Are you outta the biz now? For some reason I thought you were still a relatively big timer in that world. Which I think is cool...

Are you outta the biz now? For some reason I thought you were still a relatively big timer in that world. Which I think is cool AF and respect.

APLMAN99 wrote:

I'm not growing anything currently, still in a related field and have a lot of work entanglements with orcharding. I came back to the area to...

I'm not growing anything currently, still in a related field and have a lot of work entanglements with orcharding. I came back to the area to help my best friend farm but he got into a mess with a processor contract and nearly lost his place. He's rebounded (somewhat) but I moved to a manufacturing management/supply chain role and we supply products for the industry.

So I can go back to being unrespectable!!!!!!!!

APLMAN99 wrote:

Looking for info on glyphosate usage it does appear that its use has went up dramatically over the last 20 years or so, and the driver...

Looking for info on glyphosate usage it does appear that its use has went up dramatically over the last 20 years or so, and the driver looks to be the row crops that are genetically engineered for resistance. That's not something that happens much in tree fruits so that was really off my radar. But it definitely isn't simply a 5 year thing.

I tried to look at the actual study on the ASD increase but it's behind a pay wall. It does appear, based on the rate going up and down, that it's almost a WAG of sorts or it would be difficult for it to go down significantly one year then rise significantly the next. The ASD thing is interesting and I truly do think that some of it is that we didn't have the same diagnostic tools in the past. There could be a definite increase, but my gut feeling is that we are just better at recognizing it. My oldest son is a good example. Stellar mathematician and as an adult he does very well socially, but he has some issues that his doctors have said put him on the spectrum. Mostly sensory issues, like loud noises and stuff that seems very silly like the seams of his socks having to be just perfect, having to count his steps, etc. His issues are overall very mild, and wouldn't have been considered on the spectrum a decade ago.

swordfish wrote:

It has widespread use in forestry, they use it to reduce overgrowth, foliage, weeds, etc.
Basically vegetation control in planted Forrests.

early wrote:

That's for reforestation of logged areas?

It really sucks what logging does to a forest for 20 years after the trees are cut.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Looking for info on glyphosate usage it does appear that its use has went up dramatically over the last 20 years or so, and the driver...

Looking for info on glyphosate usage it does appear that its use has went up dramatically over the last 20 years or so, and the driver looks to be the row crops that are genetically engineered for resistance. That's not something that happens much in tree fruits so that was really off my radar. But it definitely isn't simply a 5 year thing.

I tried to look at the actual study on the ASD increase but it's behind a pay wall. It does appear, based on the rate going up and down, that it's almost a WAG of sorts or it would be difficult for it to go down significantly one year then rise significantly the next. The ASD thing is interesting and I truly do think that some of it is that we didn't have the same diagnostic tools in the past. There could be a definite increase, but my gut feeling is that we are just better at recognizing it. My oldest son is a good example. Stellar mathematician and as an adult he does very well socially, but he has some issues that his doctors have said put him on the spectrum. Mostly sensory issues, like loud noises and stuff that seems very silly like the seams of his socks having to be just perfect, having to count his steps, etc. His issues are overall very mild, and wouldn't have been considered on the spectrum a decade ago.

swordfish wrote:

It has widespread use in forestry, they use it to reduce overgrowth, foliage, weeds, etc.
Basically vegetation control in planted Forrests.

APLMAN99 wrote:

We don’t usually eat a huge amount of our forest products…..

JAFO92 wrote:

Are you outta the biz now? For some reason I thought you were still a relatively big timer in that world. Which I think is cool...

Are you outta the biz now? For some reason I thought you were still a relatively big timer in that world. Which I think is cool AF and respect.

APLMAN99 wrote:

I'm not growing anything currently, still in a related field and have a lot of work entanglements with orcharding. I came back to the area to...

I'm not growing anything currently, still in a related field and have a lot of work entanglements with orcharding. I came back to the area to help my best friend farm but he got into a mess with a processor contract and nearly lost his place. He's rebounded (somewhat) but I moved to a manufacturing management/supply chain role and we supply products for the industry.

So I can go back to being unrespectable!!!!!!!!

TeamGreen wrote:

I don't know if everyone follows all of that; but, being around all these years...knowing you form around he web for quite a few years...and the...

I don't know if everyone follows all of that; but, being around all these years...knowing you form around he web for quite a few years...and the way you wrote that...

That made me LOL.

Nice.