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What are your thoughts on them? Should they be legal or illegal for citizens?
I watched Joe Rogan's podcast with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and he mentioned if he were elected president he would ban them for citizens for personal use. Just curious what everyone thinks on this?
I hope Guy doesn't delete this as I would like to keep it clean and get some honest opinions.
Myself, I've never understood the need for Joe Blow to have an AR15 in his house. Pistols, shotguns, rifles, muzzle loaders are no problem IMO as I own guns myself. I've gotten into discussions with guys before about assault rifles and I've never heard one good argument in favor of them besides being cussed at for questioning them as to why they want them, or the random 'merica response and the 2nd amendment.
Thoughts?
I watched Joe Rogan's podcast with Bernie Sanders yesterday, and he mentioned if he were elected president he would ban them for citizens for personal use. Just curious what everyone thinks on this?
I hope Guy doesn't delete this as I would like to keep it clean and get some honest opinions.
Myself, I've never understood the need for Joe Blow to have an AR15 in his house. Pistols, shotguns, rifles, muzzle loaders are no problem IMO as I own guns myself. I've gotten into discussions with guys before about assault rifles and I've never heard one good argument in favor of them besides being cussed at for questioning them as to why they want them, or the random 'merica response and the 2nd amendment.
Thoughts?
Here's mine.
If hogs in your area are that brazen, you most certainly need an AR.
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If I jab you with a broken bottle, is that not an assault weapon? Based on this logic, any weapon capable of being used in an assault can be banned - not just the rifles you are arbitrarily categorizing.
The thing about the second amendment is that it's very clear "shall not be infringed". As soon as you put firearms in categories, such as "assault weapons", you are now infringing on that right. That is a very dangerous president as then rights like free speech can be categorized and restricted.
Banning "assault weapons" does not restrict someones ability to commit mass murder. It just means they will use a different means, such as training themselves in how to be more proficient with a pistol, which will inevitably lead to semi-automatic pistols being considered "assault weapons" and banned.
Can you tell us why an AR-15 should be banned but not any other semi-automatic rifle? I'm curious about your point of view. Some people want it banned because it looks scary, when in reality and based on function, it's not much different than any other semi-auto rifle out there.
So, you might not consider this a "good argument", but my reason for why law-abiding citizens of the US should be able to purchase firearms is because of the second amendment and to ensure that we the people have a fighting chance if, God help us, the day ever comes when the government becomes tyrannical.
And yeah, the government may have tanks and whatnot, but I'd still rather have a rifle than nothing at all.
And if the 2nd amendment isn't a good enough reason, here are more: personal defense, hunting, sport shooting, relaxing with target practice.
I respect your opinion and you do not deserve to be cussed at or insulted for having a different view than mine on firearms. I'm glad you started the topic, I hope everyone remains civil and we can share opinions.
We all benefit from learning more about each others perspective.
Edit: Why down vote the guy for being curious and asking for feedback? 98% of other people who start this topic are throwing around accusations and being jerks... sheesh
As I explained in another thread, the semi-automatic makes it easier to for me to control predators and feral hogs in my agricultural pursuits. To be quite honest, I myself am not a 'hunter' and have zero desire to shoot deer or other game for food. I prefer ribeyes and pork ribs. However, I DO love to shoot firearms at the gun range for sport with my son. Reloading ammo and building rifles is fun to us. But going back to the rifles the media calls "Assault" rifles, I use a few of them for the reasons above, because when those kind of critters show up, you have but a short time to dispatch them before they are gone into the woods. The small size of the M4 and the larger magazine makes it easier to get the job done in a pinch. Because they when they do pop up, you usually in the middle of doing a chore, not expecting that, and have to act fast. But at the end of the day, the M4's semi-automatic action behaves no different than a typical wood stock long rifle with a semi-automatic action. The only difference is the M4/AR platforms people associate with the militarys fully automatic M16A1 ( or M249 SAW) - because they look similar. Truth is, I could use a walnut stock semi-automatic rifle to do the same thing, its just that the M4 is more durable with its plastic components and such and to me more suited to bouncing around the pasture, in the dirt, dust, humidity, etc. Heck sometimes Im out working on fence and a heat shower comes up, and my M4 get soaked.
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I said the other day I don't get into any kind of thread where weapons are involved as far as a debate. I will say this much, and then leave it alone - because to me it is the "be all and end all" to the question of "Why do you need that sort of weapon?"
It's none of your business. Mind your own business and don't worry about mine. The Bill of Rights says I can, and that's all you need to know about the why of it. Further, did you know the Bill of Rights is not meant to limit the citizen? It is meant to limit what government can do to a citizen. The Bill of Rights is all about limiting government - not the citizen. It's really a beautiful document until it gets reinterpreted into meaning something it was never meant to say, and it's not hard to figure out what the founders meant when they wrote it. There are so many writings by them outside of the Bill of Rights making it very clear what they intended with each of the amendments.
Honestly, that's all I'm going to add. Take it or leave it. Sam, don't feel "put upon" by me. You're a good poster and a good guy to have around Vital.
they have just been banned here, with a buy back scheme, i always thought that they needed what we call an E Cat licence, which was a higher level of Gun Licence than a std one, but apparently they didn't when they did not meet the defintion of a MSSA, see most below for that
this is called a MSSA here, Military Style Semi Auto,
here is what they define a MSSA
from Wiki,
The 2013 version of the Arms Code describes a military style semi-automatic firearm as any "self-loading" (i.e. semi-automatic) firearm, other than a pistol, with any of the following features:[5]
Folding or telescopic butt
Magazine that holds, or is detachable and has the appearance of holding more than 15 cartridges (for .22 rimfire)
Magazine that holds more than 7 cartridges, or is detachable and has the appearance of holding more than 10 cartridges (for other than a .22 rimfire)
Bayonet lug
Pistol grip as defined by regulation
Flash suppressor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-style_semi-automatic_firearms
It also disallows my 742 Woodsmaster if I install the 10 round magazine.
Pit Row
This is a pistol grip rifle stock.
Now, I have a question.
If a guy is witnessed by many, and there is no doubt
He was the shooter, should he be shot or hung on the spot?
Amendment 5
- Protection of Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property
No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.
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- Rights of Accused Persons in Criminal Cases
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor; and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Edit: Forgot to add that I agree with a lot of other posters about what classifies as an "assault" rifle. I can use mine to hunt with. So is it a hunting rifle that looks scary?
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