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Of course criminals don't care what the definitions are they'll get whatever guns they can steal or smuggle in and do damage with them. And a person hell bent on destruction doesn't need a gun and can use a vehicle or even construct a bomb out of fertilizer and diesel fuel. With that they can blow up a federal building like Timothy McVeigh did in 1995 killing 168; many of them children.
I'm less concerned about how people do these mass killing events and more about why they do it. There's always going to be a way to accomplish it if they really want to.
But, what is more important. One could say frivolous trials, or the right of a critical government
check and balance?
Which is more important?
Maybe the amendment to the constitution should
not be about banning guns, but speedy execution in certain cases.
Thoughts?
but a clear majority of voters actually support a ban on assault weapons.. whatever you define them as..
Ratings said Hillary was a lock also.
The Shop
these rules are old now anyway, after Christchurch you basically can only have a .22 semi automatic, which is used for pest control here, (mainly Rabbits and Possum) we dont have those maundering hogs that hunt in packs here
here you need to have a licence to buy guns, or ammo, even privately, to buy a gun or ammo online or by mail order, you need to go to the local police station, and present your firearms licence and they contact the store and then it is released for shipping, the Christchurch Shooter brought a heap of stuff like this, and apparently their has been people complain about his behavior so why he was allowed to keep his licence is questioned buy a-lot of people here,
no system is perfect, and there will always be the ones that get around the law, as there is with everything else,
You said in your post " I've never understood the need for Joe Blow to have an AR15 in his house" but all should matter is that YOU choose not to have a AR15 but its not up to YOU or anyone else to tell anyone what we need as "need" has nothing to do with it. Want and need are two different things and one of the great things about living in the USA is we can buy what we want as long as its legal and we follow the rules, now people who don't follow the laws we cannot control.
America had just finished ridding itself of absolute tyranny when the founding fathers wrote The Constitution and The Bill of Rights. They wrote the whole thing with the intent to make it impossible for another king or autocracy to enslave the populace, even going so far as to enshrine and approve a method whereby the populace could remove the governing body by force and replace it with something better, if needed. The 2nd amendment is truly what gives The Constitution its and THE PEOPLE their power, and any other freedom you hold dear owes its very existence to the 2nd.
Do you like the right to not testify against yourself? Thank the 2nd amendment.
Do you like the right to vote? Thank the 2nd.
Do you like the right to free speech? Thank the 2nd.
The truth of the matter is that any leader in any country could at once decide to become supreme leader by fiat, and THE PEOPLE of The United States are the best equipped populace to destroy such evil at the outset.
in fact, the good old USA has helped such groups take over in countries like Iran over the last 70 odd years since WW2, deposing democratically elected governments, or helping the ones they liked at the time,
Pit Row
It's really a difficult area of law and policy to have even basic conversations about
The only issue with the second amendment for me is the founding fathers could never have imagined the firepower one person could wield with two arms and a weapon. Anyone here who thinks they can fight the government with their personal arsenal and some fragmented group of like-minded people are just kidding themselves.
Use your vote to make change, which ever way you feel on this, and any other issue.
As far as I know the USA is the only country in the world that has a 2nd. type thing, and way far from the only country that has all that other nice stuff. And/or freedom.
Could carry out a hellacious self defense action if I needed to.
I also have a 9mm chambered AR. My favorite.
Also 556/223 and 308. All serve a purpose.
But that yo-yo in NZ could of done just as much damage with a .22 AR15.
Does anyone here know the odd similar significance of a .22 and 5.56?
Many of Americans have multiple guns, I have a gun safe full of them and many people have multiple guns safes full of guns and ammo. So millions of Americans with many more millions of guns. I believe we could outfit a considerable number of Americans with guns and ammo to at least make an initial stand.
But I personally have a hard time believing our government forces would turn against their own people even if given a directive to do so. I also believe that many, many sheriffs around the country would not participate in any sort of gun confiscation if things ever come to that. They like knowing that millions of lawful gun owning Americans are backing them up. The bullshit that happened in Philly indicates to me that they may increasingly appreciate that fact.
Here is what one said;
"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ... Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither. Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security." - Benjamin Franklin
...or maybe you could ask the Germans how they felt about gun control during Nazi control.
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