45% don't owe U.S. income tax

jmar
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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 7:42am
This is wrong. I don't care if you make 10k or billions. Everyone needs to pay their fair share.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/14/pf/taxes/who_pays_income_taxes/index.ht…
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4/17/2011 7:32pm
I think what it means is that if we keep the lower rates for low income workers, part of the Bush tax cuts, there has to be new revenue to replace it. At least that's how I read it.

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Void Main wrote:
Flat tax is the way to go.
Fuck all this social engineering. Why do people think these politicians know what's best? A flat tax is major step in the right direction. Everybody has skin in the game.
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4/17/2011 7:46pm
Void Main wrote:
It's your patriotic duty jmar. Wink
Trust me, I pay my fair share. I just think a flat tax is the only fair deal.
4/17/2011 8:03pm
I'm typically against raising taxes on the rich but the more I hear about it I'm begging to understand that capital gains need to be reevaluated. These bookoo rich fellas are finding ways to pay taxes at a lower rate than someone making minimum wage; it's just not right.
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The deficit reduction commission actually recommended the beginnings of a flat tax - vastly lowered rates but almost no deductions. Sounds like a good idea to me. In fact, I'd love to see it set up so that the rates increase automatically if actual deficits are higher than some trigger level.
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Void Main wrote:
It's your patriotic duty jmar. Wink
jmar wrote:
Trust me, I pay my fair share. I just think a flat tax is the only fair deal.
I'm with you on that one.
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All the tax credits, deductions and exemptions need to go away.
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Do away with ALL deductions and credits and charge a flat tax...
We could eliminate half of the IRS workers as well.
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4/18/2011 9:21am
huck wrote:
Do away with ALL deductions and credits and charge a flat tax...
We could eliminate half of the IRS workers as well.
Exactly. And yes, it would work oldfart. If anything make it a certain percentage for people making under/over $250k per year.
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4/18/2011 9:27am
In this flat tax proposal, is there a cutoff? Does someone below the poverty level still pay taxes? If yes, why?
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We made $101k last year - I was laid off in December 2010. I did my taxes and owe $983. Oh, and did I mention that I've been unemployed for five months and don't have $1000 laying around? Of course if each of my Vitalmx brethren sent me $5, I could have that thousand bucks in no time (hint)...........
4/18/2011 10:23am
Stanford wrote:
We made $101k last year - I was laid off in December 2010. I did my taxes and owe $983. Oh, and did I mention that...
We made $101k last year - I was laid off in December 2010. I did my taxes and owe $983. Oh, and did I mention that I've been unemployed for five months and don't have $1000 laying around? Of course if each of my Vitalmx brethren sent me $5, I could have that thousand bucks in no time (hint)...........
Sounds like someone needs to hire a financial advisor.
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4/18/2011 10:44am
Whatever I post you will shoot down so why bother? Anybody with half a brain can figure out that doing a flat tax with no deductions allowed would put way more money back into our economy compared to how the current system works. If Joe Blow pays $12k in income taxes this year, and has $10k worth of deductions what good does that do? Get rid of the deductions, and it'll work. The old system just doesn't anymore. When I can write off pretty much anything and everything it's worthless to even collect taxes. Isn't it?
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4/18/2011 10:56am
funny...heard a story not long ago about the fight against prohibition. Some of the wealthiest Americans were in on the fight. Turns out, it was a smoke screen. They were actually trying to get an amendment (or a law, don't remember which) which would exempt them from income taxes.
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4/18/2011 11:04am
txmxer wrote:
In this flat tax proposal, is there a cutoff? Does someone below the poverty level still pay taxes? If yes, why?
Everyone needs to pay their fair share.
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4/18/2011 11:11am
Flat tax will hurt poor and middle class, the largest economic spending block, more than any other group.

Say it's a 20% flat tax

$1,000,000 earner pays $200,000 and still has $800,000 to survive

Middle class earner makes say $100,000 and pays in $20,000 leaving $80,000 to live on

Lower class earner makes $20,000 a year and pays $4,000 in and now has to survive on $16,000

Out of those three scenarios, which group is affected the most and which the least?
Which group would have less to contribute to the economy by way of retail purchasing?
Of those three scenarios, and knowing that middle and lower class is the largest economic spending block, how do you think that will affect the economy, retail sales and revenues generated from that group, including but not limited to local and state income as well?
If you slow down and limit retail sales and economic growth by way of reducing the income of your largest spending block, who does that hurt? The rich who manage and own those businesses and/or are shareholders in those businesses?

or does it make more sense to put more money into the hands of the largest economic spending block, so they can spend, add to the economy, boost sales and profits of corporations?
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4/18/2011 11:14am
jmar wrote:
Everyone needs to pay their fair share.
What if you only income is from the Government to begin with?
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txmxer wrote:
In this flat tax proposal, is there a cutoff? Does someone below the poverty level still pay taxes? If yes, why?
jmar wrote:
Everyone needs to pay their fair share.
and why is 10% or some other % fair? It's seems "fair" on the front end, but maybe it should be fair on the back end? Meaning if I don't drive, why do I have to pay for the roads? If i don't have kids, why should I have to pay for the schools?
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4/18/2011 11:29am
jmar wrote:
Everyone needs to pay their fair share.
Racer92 wrote:
What if you only income is from the Government to begin with?
Tax it just as you would anything else.

I believe SS is taxed now, isn't it?
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4/18/2011 11:30am
flarider wrote:
Flat tax will hurt poor and middle class, the largest economic spending block, more than any other group. Say it's a 20% flat tax $1,000,000 earner...
Flat tax will hurt poor and middle class, the largest economic spending block, more than any other group.

Say it's a 20% flat tax

$1,000,000 earner pays $200,000 and still has $800,000 to survive

Middle class earner makes say $100,000 and pays in $20,000 leaving $80,000 to live on

Lower class earner makes $20,000 a year and pays $4,000 in and now has to survive on $16,000

Out of those three scenarios, which group is affected the most and which the least?
Which group would have less to contribute to the economy by way of retail purchasing?
Of those three scenarios, and knowing that middle and lower class is the largest economic spending block, how do you think that will affect the economy, retail sales and revenues generated from that group, including but not limited to local and state income as well?
If you slow down and limit retail sales and economic growth by way of reducing the income of your largest spending block, who does that hurt? The rich who manage and own those businesses and/or are shareholders in those businesses?

or does it make more sense to put more money into the hands of the largest economic spending block, so they can spend, add to the economy, boost sales and profits of corporations?
I don't think the magic number is 20%. I think it would be less.
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4/18/2011 11:31am
flarider wrote:
Flat tax will hurt poor and middle class, the largest economic spending block, more than any other group. Say it's a 20% flat tax $1,000,000 earner...
Flat tax will hurt poor and middle class, the largest economic spending block, more than any other group.

Say it's a 20% flat tax

$1,000,000 earner pays $200,000 and still has $800,000 to survive

Middle class earner makes say $100,000 and pays in $20,000 leaving $80,000 to live on

Lower class earner makes $20,000 a year and pays $4,000 in and now has to survive on $16,000

Out of those three scenarios, which group is affected the most and which the least?
Which group would have less to contribute to the economy by way of retail purchasing?
Of those three scenarios, and knowing that middle and lower class is the largest economic spending block, how do you think that will affect the economy, retail sales and revenues generated from that group, including but not limited to local and state income as well?
If you slow down and limit retail sales and economic growth by way of reducing the income of your largest spending block, who does that hurt? The rich who manage and own those businesses and/or are shareholders in those businesses?

or does it make more sense to put more money into the hands of the largest economic spending block, so they can spend, add to the economy, boost sales and profits of corporations?
Make anybody who makes under $30k per year pay a flat rate. Say $1500?? How hard is this to figure out?
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4/18/2011 11:35am
flarider wrote:
Flat tax will hurt poor and middle class, the largest economic spending block, more than any other group. Say it's a 20% flat tax $1,000,000 earner...
Flat tax will hurt poor and middle class, the largest economic spending block, more than any other group.

Say it's a 20% flat tax

$1,000,000 earner pays $200,000 and still has $800,000 to survive

Middle class earner makes say $100,000 and pays in $20,000 leaving $80,000 to live on

Lower class earner makes $20,000 a year and pays $4,000 in and now has to survive on $16,000

Out of those three scenarios, which group is affected the most and which the least?
Which group would have less to contribute to the economy by way of retail purchasing?
Of those three scenarios, and knowing that middle and lower class is the largest economic spending block, how do you think that will affect the economy, retail sales and revenues generated from that group, including but not limited to local and state income as well?
If you slow down and limit retail sales and economic growth by way of reducing the income of your largest spending block, who does that hurt? The rich who manage and own those businesses and/or are shareholders in those businesses?

or does it make more sense to put more money into the hands of the largest economic spending block, so they can spend, add to the economy, boost sales and profits of corporations?
Scotty wrote:
Make anybody who makes under $30k per year pay a flat rate. Say $1500?? How hard is this to figure out?
But then we're back to the same thing, not everyone is paying the same rate.
But this illustrates the problem with a "flat tax"
You really can't be 100% across the board even.
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4/18/2011 11:41am
txmxer wrote:
In this flat tax proposal, is there a cutoff? Does someone below the poverty level still pay taxes? If yes, why?
jmar wrote:
Everyone needs to pay their fair share.
txmxer wrote:
and why is 10% or some other % fair? It's seems "fair" on the front end, but maybe it should be fair on the back end...
and why is 10% or some other % fair? It's seems "fair" on the front end, but maybe it should be fair on the back end? Meaning if I don't drive, why do I have to pay for the roads? If i don't have kids, why should I have to pay for the schools?
We all pay for roads that we don't drive on, and at one point and time in your life, your going to be taxed for schools that your kids no longer use. That's just the way the system has to work.

If "everyone" is paying the same percentage, there is no dispute on either the front of back end.
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4/18/2011 11:43am
flarider wrote:
Flat tax will hurt poor and middle class, the largest economic spending block, more than any other group. Say it's a 20% flat tax $1,000,000 earner...
Flat tax will hurt poor and middle class, the largest economic spending block, more than any other group.

Say it's a 20% flat tax

$1,000,000 earner pays $200,000 and still has $800,000 to survive

Middle class earner makes say $100,000 and pays in $20,000 leaving $80,000 to live on

Lower class earner makes $20,000 a year and pays $4,000 in and now has to survive on $16,000

Out of those three scenarios, which group is affected the most and which the least?
Which group would have less to contribute to the economy by way of retail purchasing?
Of those three scenarios, and knowing that middle and lower class is the largest economic spending block, how do you think that will affect the economy, retail sales and revenues generated from that group, including but not limited to local and state income as well?
If you slow down and limit retail sales and economic growth by way of reducing the income of your largest spending block, who does that hurt? The rich who manage and own those businesses and/or are shareholders in those businesses?

or does it make more sense to put more money into the hands of the largest economic spending block, so they can spend, add to the economy, boost sales and profits of corporations?
Scotty wrote:
Make anybody who makes under $30k per year pay a flat rate. Say $1500?? How hard is this to figure out?
What's fair about that?

That's 5%.
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4/18/2011 11:53am
flarider wrote:
Flat tax will hurt poor and middle class, the largest economic spending block, more than any other group. Say it's a 20% flat tax $1,000,000 earner...
Flat tax will hurt poor and middle class, the largest economic spending block, more than any other group.

Say it's a 20% flat tax

$1,000,000 earner pays $200,000 and still has $800,000 to survive

Middle class earner makes say $100,000 and pays in $20,000 leaving $80,000 to live on

Lower class earner makes $20,000 a year and pays $4,000 in and now has to survive on $16,000

Out of those three scenarios, which group is affected the most and which the least?
Which group would have less to contribute to the economy by way of retail purchasing?
Of those three scenarios, and knowing that middle and lower class is the largest economic spending block, how do you think that will affect the economy, retail sales and revenues generated from that group, including but not limited to local and state income as well?
If you slow down and limit retail sales and economic growth by way of reducing the income of your largest spending block, who does that hurt? The rich who manage and own those businesses and/or are shareholders in those businesses?

or does it make more sense to put more money into the hands of the largest economic spending block, so they can spend, add to the economy, boost sales and profits of corporations?
Scotty wrote:
Make anybody who makes under $30k per year pay a flat rate. Say $1500?? How hard is this to figure out?
jmar wrote:
What's fair about that?

That's 5%.
You guys are missing my point which is with all of the deductions available people don't end up paying shit. 5% is better then nothing right? Everybody and their mother is trying to cheat the system, make a flat mandatory rate with no deductions. They will end up collecting a lot more revenue that way

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