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Some say gym fitness others say bike fittness some say both, but just like 2 and 4 poppers, with a decent rider say 12 weeks training gym or bike who would it be at the end of a moto
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rucka356 10/7/2008 8:07am
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I like biking. I normally ride down to a neighborhood close to my house, then all the way down the main road. It's a hell of a work out. Downhill 90% of the way! hahaha
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You could bike at the gym!

Actually I like getting outside and biking, but I would say you need a little more upper body workout in addition to bicycling.
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anyday wrote:
Some say gym fitness others say bike fittness some say both, but just like 2 and 4 poppers, with a decent rider say 12 weeks training...
Some say gym fitness others say bike fittness some say both, but just like 2 and 4 poppers, with a decent rider say 12 weeks training gym or bike who would it be at the end of a moto
If you are saying riding mx (aka practicing) for 12 weeks or actually working out for 12 weeks, that's a no brainer. The skills acquired during practice and seat time are very hard to replicate, and that rider will be faster.

Now, I think that cycling is probably one of THE WORST types of training a motocrosser can do. It is a DECENT form of LSD training, that could be used once in awhile to switch it up, and climbing or sprint work has great benefits if done with proper frequency and intensity. However, with regular cyclists, they ride 50ish miles at a time, with few if any climbs, and stay well within their aerobic means. This is not to say they are out of shape at all, they are not. However, you put the most fit cyclist on an mx track, and even if he has the skills of an average B rider, he will fatigue rather rapidly at full tilt boogie because he lacks anaerobic capacity, his PCR system is rather under-developed along with hig glycolytic system, and his lactate metabolic pathways are under-developed for the balls to the walls effort endured in motocross.

I think the reason cycling IS GOOD for many people is because it's low impact and easy to do. It helps get someone a base level of fitness, but is in no way shape or form good preparation for motocross. Just sayin....

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anyday wrote:
Some say gym fitness others say bike fittness some say both, but just like 2 and 4 poppers, with a decent rider say 12 weeks training...
Some say gym fitness others say bike fittness some say both, but just like 2 and 4 poppers, with a decent rider say 12 weeks training gym or bike who would it be at the end of a moto
JYZ566 wrote:
If you are saying riding mx (aka practicing) for 12 weeks or actually working out for 12 weeks, that's a no brainer. The skills acquired during...
If you are saying riding mx (aka practicing) for 12 weeks or actually working out for 12 weeks, that's a no brainer. The skills acquired during practice and seat time are very hard to replicate, and that rider will be faster.

Now, I think that cycling is probably one of THE WORST types of training a motocrosser can do. It is a DECENT form of LSD training, that could be used once in awhile to switch it up, and climbing or sprint work has great benefits if done with proper frequency and intensity. However, with regular cyclists, they ride 50ish miles at a time, with few if any climbs, and stay well within their aerobic means. This is not to say they are out of shape at all, they are not. However, you put the most fit cyclist on an mx track, and even if he has the skills of an average B rider, he will fatigue rather rapidly at full tilt boogie because he lacks anaerobic capacity, his PCR system is rather under-developed along with hig glycolytic system, and his lactate metabolic pathways are under-developed for the balls to the walls effort endured in motocross.

I think the reason cycling IS GOOD for many people is because it's low impact and easy to do. It helps get someone a base level of fitness, but is in no way shape or form good preparation for motocross. Just sayin....
I agree
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CRF122 10/7/2008 10:37am
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If muscles made you fast i would be the next James Stewart.

I would say probably biking
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If muscles made you fast i would be the next James Stewart.

I would say probably biking
I wouldn't. And I'd also be James Stewart....
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anyday wrote:
Some say gym fitness others say bike fittness some say both, but just like 2 and 4 poppers, with a decent rider say 12 weeks training...
Some say gym fitness others say bike fittness some say both, but just like 2 and 4 poppers, with a decent rider say 12 weeks training gym or bike who would it be at the end of a moto
JYZ566 wrote:
If you are saying riding mx (aka practicing) for 12 weeks or actually working out for 12 weeks, that's a no brainer. The skills acquired during...
If you are saying riding mx (aka practicing) for 12 weeks or actually working out for 12 weeks, that's a no brainer. The skills acquired during practice and seat time are very hard to replicate, and that rider will be faster.

Now, I think that cycling is probably one of THE WORST types of training a motocrosser can do. It is a DECENT form of LSD training, that could be used once in awhile to switch it up, and climbing or sprint work has great benefits if done with proper frequency and intensity. However, with regular cyclists, they ride 50ish miles at a time, with few if any climbs, and stay well within their aerobic means. This is not to say they are out of shape at all, they are not. However, you put the most fit cyclist on an mx track, and even if he has the skills of an average B rider, he will fatigue rather rapidly at full tilt boogie because he lacks anaerobic capacity, his PCR system is rather under-developed along with hig glycolytic system, and his lactate metabolic pathways are under-developed for the balls to the walls effort endured in motocross.

I think the reason cycling IS GOOD for many people is because it's low impact and easy to do. It helps get someone a base level of fitness, but is in no way shape or form good preparation for motocross. Just sayin....
You make a good point, but why then do most motocross trainers seem to put a lot of emphasis on training with the bicycle? No, nothing beats seat time on an mx bike, i agree, but surely once you have a good heart rate monitor and a decent bicycle (or stationary spin bike etc), you can train at a relatively high intensity and get good results. For those who can only get to ride on weekends, i say the bicycle could work wonders.
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davis224 10/8/2008 6:36am
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I find coming home from work, laying on the couch and eating pizza and drinking soda does wonders for me. By wonders I mean no more than 3 hard laps and I pump up.

but for the past few weeks I've just been doing pushups and riding once a week, and I'm getting slightly better with arm pump. This past weekend I was able to actually ride hard all 6 laps, but 2-3 of those were at half-arm pump to where it just annoyed this shit out of me coming into corners.
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JYZ566 10/8/2008 9:32am
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anyday wrote:
Some say gym fitness others say bike fittness some say both, but just like 2 and 4 poppers, with a decent rider say 12 weeks training...
Some say gym fitness others say bike fittness some say both, but just like 2 and 4 poppers, with a decent rider say 12 weeks training gym or bike who would it be at the end of a moto
JYZ566 wrote:
If you are saying riding mx (aka practicing) for 12 weeks or actually working out for 12 weeks, that's a no brainer. The skills acquired during...
If you are saying riding mx (aka practicing) for 12 weeks or actually working out for 12 weeks, that's a no brainer. The skills acquired during practice and seat time are very hard to replicate, and that rider will be faster.

Now, I think that cycling is probably one of THE WORST types of training a motocrosser can do. It is a DECENT form of LSD training, that could be used once in awhile to switch it up, and climbing or sprint work has great benefits if done with proper frequency and intensity. However, with regular cyclists, they ride 50ish miles at a time, with few if any climbs, and stay well within their aerobic means. This is not to say they are out of shape at all, they are not. However, you put the most fit cyclist on an mx track, and even if he has the skills of an average B rider, he will fatigue rather rapidly at full tilt boogie because he lacks anaerobic capacity, his PCR system is rather under-developed along with hig glycolytic system, and his lactate metabolic pathways are under-developed for the balls to the walls effort endured in motocross.

I think the reason cycling IS GOOD for many people is because it's low impact and easy to do. It helps get someone a base level of fitness, but is in no way shape or form good preparation for motocross. Just sayin....
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You make a good point, but why then do most motocross trainers seem to put a lot of emphasis on training with the bicycle? No, nothing...
You make a good point, but why then do most motocross trainers seem to put a lot of emphasis on training with the bicycle? No, nothing beats seat time on an mx bike, i agree, but surely once you have a good heart rate monitor and a decent bicycle (or stationary spin bike etc), you can train at a relatively high intensity and get good results. For those who can only get to ride on weekends, i say the bicycle could work wonders.
I would say most trainers have a very 1 dimensional view of training for motocross. Again, cycling, even at high intensity, will not raise your anaerobic capacity much. Why is this you ask? Because the modal demand is very low, that is, you are still just pedaling, albeit faster.

To really see gains in anaerobic fitness, and aerobic fitness as a by product (measured by V02 max, lactate threshold, resting HR etc) you need to have a constantly varied program, with many different stimuli. The end goal would be great strength and anaerobic capacity increases across broad modal domains.

I liken the idea that cycling is the best training for a motocrosser to saying that Lance Armstrong should be able to hang with Dean Wilson on an MX track. Not so, even if Lance had great skills on a bike. This is because he is trained as an endurance athlete and could not sustain maximal output through muscular activity outside of pedaling for very long.

Other people will say well all my son does is ride and he never gets tired, so all you should do is ride. We have to look at the age component, as well as the genetic component to each person before laying a blanket statement like that.

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ok then some of you great minds there give us a snopsis ( i cant spell ) on what mix of say gym work out , bike time , mx time, and of course food would be the near perfect ingredeients for an mx racer barr personal abilaty and age , just a generalisation to be at their best
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JYZ566 10/9/2008 5:25am
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crossfit

ride 2x a week

paleo-zone diet
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(the above was for someone above age 21 btw)

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JYZ566 wrote:
crossfit

ride 2x a week

paleo-zone diet
What's Paleo-zone diet.

Wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on what would give a good base fitness, i'm coming back from being injured for the best part of 2 years, without any training at all and looking to get back at it and shed the weight I have put on. was planning on swimming a lot as this was most of my training before injury and seemed ok, but would like to train more specific now.

I raced for the first time in a long time on Sunday, and had good speed for only 2-3 laps lol but then the I was just dying and need to get it figured out if i want to get back to where I was.
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Not sure about road biking( I think roadbikers have issues), but mountain biking is a damn good workout for Moto. Throw in some Whitewater kayaking (playboating is the best for working everything IMO) and you have a great workout that's fun to boot.
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running shoes and a 5 mile loop done every day along with riding 1-2 x a week.
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Motocross is aerobic

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Go to racerx.com, scroll down to FOTW photo, click to enlarge, then jerk off, it's best to switch it up on the hands though, say Mon Wed Fri right hand, tues thurs sat left hand. Then moto hard sunday.
All fitness problems solved
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JYZ566 10/9/2008 10:43am
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az2u wrote:
Motocross is aerobic
Technically yes...and then so is wrestling, an 800m sprint, MMA fights, rowing etc, but again cycling would be ill-suited to increasing fitness for any of these high intensity, broad modality types of sports.....same with MX.
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Cycling is an excellent addition to your MX training program for several reasons. You can greatly increase your cardiovascular output levels by cycling, you can build a good base with cycling, and you can recover with cycling. Cycling is good because it is low impact, unlike running and hard days at the track. You can even still excercise your skills with Mountain biking while improving your aerobic fitness.
To achieve the optimal results you need track days, gym time with resistance training (preferably full movements vs. isolation), cardio training (I prefer bike days, and rowing mixed), proper diet and hydration, and finally GOOD REST.

Anyone who does NOT think that cycling can be an important element of MX training should ask RC, Stewart, Wey, Villopoto, and others what they think of it!
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JYZ566 wrote:
crossfit

ride 2x a week

paleo-zone diet
chrisgg90 wrote:
What's Paleo-zone diet. Wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on what would give a good base fitness, i'm coming back from being injured for the best part...
What's Paleo-zone diet.

Wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on what would give a good base fitness, i'm coming back from being injured for the best part of 2 years, without any training at all and looking to get back at it and shed the weight I have put on. was planning on swimming a lot as this was most of my training before injury and seemed ok, but would like to train more specific now.

I raced for the first time in a long time on Sunday, and had good speed for only 2-3 laps lol but then the I was just dying and need to get it figured out if i want to get back to where I was.
Paleo-zone, or in other words paleolithic diet is essentially eat like a caveman, Back in the days before food processing, there were no bread products available, no rice, yogurt etc etc and other foods that have been synthetically derived. Basically you live on meat, eggs, veggies, nuts and associated foods. A sample diet would be:

wakeup 7am- 8egg whites, 2 yolk-omellete with fat free cheese, 1 cup spinach/brocolli/asparagus/green beans, 1/2 grapefruit and 12 almonds

meals 2-5- 930/1200/230/5/730 7oz chicken/tuna/beef/turkey etc, 1 cup green vegetable, 2 table spoons peanut butter or 18 almonds

meal 6- 10pm- 2 scoop protein shake, 1/2 grapefruit, 12 almonds

Also, you can sub one of the meals 2-5 for a protein shake/veggie/ healthy fat combination. Briefly, every meal should contain approx 45g lean protein, 20g fibrous carbohydrate, and 20 g fat, with the addition of 2 simple carbohydrate sources coming in meals 1 and 6 from fruit. If you hate grapefruit, blueberries are a great sub for them, as these fruits both contain naringin, which extends the half life of many lipolytic (fat burning) enzymes.

The above diet, is for your basic 200lb guy with about 16-20% body fat roughly. Different people will of course require different intakes and stuff, but you guys get the idea.

Depending on your injury types, current health status, and joint problems or lackthereof would help me immensely. But, if you are healthy, have good joints and the will power, crossfit type training is the best type of training for motocross. I am in no way shape or form associated with crossfit, except that I train that way and love it. I combine crossfit, plyometrics, and an occasional run with riding as often as I can. Granted I usually only get to race on the weekends , and if im lucky practice 3 times a month outside of that, but I can honestly say I am in great moto shape. I also have my CSCS certification for training, a BS in Biology, and am entering dental school, just to give you my background.
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also I modify the paleo-zone diet with 2 carb/fat load days a week. I will explain that if you're interested as well...
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kiki number 5 wrote:
Cycling is an excellent addition to your MX training program for several reasons. You can greatly increase your cardiovascular output levels by cycling, you can build...
Cycling is an excellent addition to your MX training program for several reasons. You can greatly increase your cardiovascular output levels by cycling, you can build a good base with cycling, and you can recover with cycling. Cycling is good because it is low impact, unlike running and hard days at the track. You can even still excercise your skills with Mountain biking while improving your aerobic fitness.
To achieve the optimal results you need track days, gym time with resistance training (preferably full movements vs. isolation), cardio training (I prefer bike days, and rowing mixed), proper diet and hydration, and finally GOOD REST.

Anyone who does NOT think that cycling can be an important element of MX training should ask RC, Stewart, Wey, Villopoto, and others what they think of it!
Like I said before, cycling is decent but far far far far away from optimal to achieve great results. I, for one, do not have the time to waste on things that yield a comparatively small benefit in regards to overall fitness and output in our desired sport.

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BDOG wrote:
running shoes and a 5 mile loop done every day along with riding 1-2 x a week.
This is the BEST ADVICE That i have seen YET. But lets just say a 2mile loop. Dnt want to hurt the KNEES! Why does'nt any one every talk about RUNNINGin the sport of MX. That is the BEST thing to Do to get in any type of SHAP( Baseball, basketball,soccor,Football, MX). I Think more people should look into this! But dnt forget to get that SEAT TIME!!!
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BDOG wrote:
running shoes and a 5 mile loop done every day along with riding 1-2 x a week.
sesker15 wrote:
This is the BEST ADVICE That i have seen YET. But lets just say a 2mile loop. Dnt want to hurt the KNEES! Why does'nt any...
This is the BEST ADVICE That i have seen YET. But lets just say a 2mile loop. Dnt want to hurt the KNEES! Why does'nt any one every talk about RUNNINGin the sport of MX. That is the BEST thing to Do to get in any type of SHAP( Baseball, basketball,soccor,Football, MX). I Think more people should look into this! But dnt forget to get that SEAT TIME!!!
So you would say someone who could run 5 miles comfortably at a quick pace would be in good moto shape? I disagree.......
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BDOG wrote:
running shoes and a 5 mile loop done every day along with riding 1-2 x a week.
sesker15 wrote:
This is the BEST ADVICE That i have seen YET. But lets just say a 2mile loop. Dnt want to hurt the KNEES! Why does'nt any...
This is the BEST ADVICE That i have seen YET. But lets just say a 2mile loop. Dnt want to hurt the KNEES! Why does'nt any one every talk about RUNNINGin the sport of MX. That is the BEST thing to Do to get in any type of SHAP( Baseball, basketball,soccor,Football, MX). I Think more people should look into this! But dnt forget to get that SEAT TIME!!!
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So you would say someone who could run 5 miles comfortably at a quick pace would be in good moto shape? I disagree.......
I am certainly no expert so I am just relaying what seems to work the best for me.

also has worked for the old school guys like Hannah.- I believe that was all the training he did and he was considered on e of the fittest guys of his era.

I like running because I can do it quick and it's over. 30 minutes and I'm done I also do alot of push ups and pull ups.

Works good for a hectic schedule.

I like the looks of P90X for Moto, anyone tried it?
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I've thought about different ways to train for MX. JYZ566 mentioned crossfit and I think it would be beneficial. I'm not sure about olympic lifting aspect. Technique is everything. Need to find a really good coach. Here's an idea. How about finding a piece of junk bike and adding weight to it. Lay it on the ground and practice picking the bike up from both sides.

I also thought of puting handle bars on a mechanical bull. Don't laugh.
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JYZ566 10/9/2008 5:51pm
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az2u wrote:
I've thought about different ways to train for MX. JYZ566 mentioned crossfit and I think it would be beneficial. I'm not sure about olympic lifting aspect...
I've thought about different ways to train for MX. JYZ566 mentioned crossfit and I think it would be beneficial. I'm not sure about olympic lifting aspect. Technique is everything. Need to find a really good coach. Here's an idea. How about finding a piece of junk bike and adding weight to it. Lay it on the ground and practice picking the bike up from both sides.

I also thought of puting handle bars on a mechanical bull. Don't laugh.
I learned olympic lifting in college, and yes it is a very skilled movement. However, a brief session with someone who played football, or has experience with the O-lifts is all anyone really needs. The loads are fairly light in crossfit so technique isn't the number 1 factor.

P-90x isn't the worst thing you could do for yourself....better than cycling anyway :-)

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