Why do we still have sx east/west?

vet954
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Edited Date/Time 1/21/2012 3:04pm
The change was instituted over 8 years ago to encourage privateers to race the events in hope that they would seed the premier class with lowered expenses.
For the past 6 years the class has been filled with full on factory riders racing a 6 event "championship" for the title.
It does not lower the teams expenses. Pro Circuit, Factory Connection, etc. are at every event.
To win a 7 race series should not be considered a Championship Title. It should be a slap in the face for the teams to have the same rider participate in the lites series for a second series. Same applys to outdoor mx.

Make the lites class a non televised, non points, non money series. Maybe then we would have a full gate of factory riders who don't want to race for top 10.
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10/30/2008 3:10pm
i can agree...
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10/30/2008 3:33pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:03pm
They started doing the East/West SX series back in 1985 if I remember correctly.
23 years ago.
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10/30/2008 3:52pm
Yep . Back in the old days you had to be from the east to race east coast and from the west to race west. When they changed that they started with the mess we have today .
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10/30/2008 4:23pm
Yes it was good idea when it first came out, to help younger inexperienced pros their feet wet so they could move up to the premier series. That didn't last long before it started to evolve into its current form which makes no sense at all.

The way it is now they should remove the east west thing and let the younger rider cut their teeth in arena cross. If not then put it back to how it was in 1985, a true rookie series.

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10/30/2008 5:22pm
It makes even less sense now that you can race a 250 in the 450 class.
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10/30/2008 6:06pm
i want 125 pro only class back errr 250f.any pro!
for the youngsters....mix them in but score them seperate ...as a pro/am catagory.
10/30/2008 6:17pm
PD441 wrote:
It makes even less sense now that you can race a 250 in the 450 class.
agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10/30/2008 6:49pm
I agree Cygnus. You should race the coast you grew up in! Bradshaw, Swink, Lusk, , Ferry, Carmichael, Pastrana, All East coast Champs that grew up racing on the East Coast. Chicken, M/C, Gaddis, Huffman, all West coast champs that grew up racing in the west coast. IMO they should'nt let them pick coasts to race in.

It was awesome when they would get together twice a year for a shootout, instead of at the finale in Vegas.
10/30/2008 8:04pm
I did not read your post vet because most posts here are boring but I think the lites class should be combined.
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vet954 wrote:
The change was instituted over 8 years ago to encourage privateers to race the events in hope that they would seed the premier class with lowered...
The change was instituted over 8 years ago to encourage privateers to race the events in hope that they would seed the premier class with lowered expenses.
For the past 6 years the class has been filled with full on factory riders racing a 6 event "championship" for the title.
It does not lower the teams expenses. Pro Circuit, Factory Connection, etc. are at every event.
To win a 7 race series should not be considered a Championship Title. It should be a slap in the face for the teams to have the same rider participate in the lites series for a second series. Same applys to outdoor mx.

Make the lites class a non televised, non points, non money series. Maybe then we would have a full gate of factory riders who don't want to race for top 10.

Ask yourself, who controls the structure of this East West Supercross event?
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10/31/2008 8:07am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:03pm
I would like to see the 450 class be the 450 class with an 18 year old min. age.

Then run the 250f's like the ax series.
The 250f class have a national series that runs with the same schedule as the 450's.
Then have the support classes broke up into regions.
Take some prestige/$$ out of the 250f's national series so that the truly elite guys are all in the same class.

The east west bs is a gravy train. The field is split in half and riders getting top 6's get the fame money & ride that comes with sx. Then when the series is merged outside they are riding the wheels off to get get 15th. Its the same crap every year,
"Man why is this guy going 12-15 every weekend when he was top 6 every weekend in lites sx? He doesn't deserve that ride."
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10/31/2008 8:32am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:03pm
For years I've been saying to make it "1series".
The reason for being is long gone. The class
has matured into what we now many many times
call the best racing. Not taking away anything from
the 450's, but there there's usually just so few going for it!
The "Lites" deserves no-less in my opinion.
Again, it's grown into it & the shoe fits!
Look to the "Outdoors" for the example!
The "Lites" are "hammer-n-nail" the whole time
regardless of location.
Something to look at.
Dave O.Wink
"Change is good"..........Woohoo
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10/31/2008 8:36am
zippy895 wrote:
i want 125 pro only class back errr 250f.any pro!
for the youngsters....mix them in but score them seperate ...as a pro/am catagory.
i like the pro am idea. maybe not necessarily on a 250f cause half the manufacturers don't produce them anymore. It would have to be non-points. I think it would be cool to see the class used as "glimpse into the future." Maybe even have a limit on how many times one can enter the pro-am class at a supercross so the factories do not get involved.
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10/31/2008 8:40am
The 250f classs should be one series that way it would make mmore 250f guys move up to the 450s too... then you could add in 125 two stroke classs for amateurs in the east and west which will give the crowd more race... but the 450 guys and 250 guys should have to race 2 mains in a night... the Ulster MX1 champ rode 4 25 minute motos a few saturadys ago in the Irish Championship on a sand track- 2 MX2 and 2 MX1 races with only 15 minutes between the MX1 and MX2 classes, and he has to work for a living and train...

For these guys to race 13 mins and get paid millions is absurd and it is terrible value for the public as well!
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10/31/2008 10:30am
I agree. The new format to allow 250's into the 450 class defeats the entire purpose. They made that rule to state that the 450 class was the premier class. If it is the premier class then why are the smaller bikes allowed in it? Our racing has gotten boring and they are trying to fix it the wrong way. Privateers are hurting. So show love. Create a four championship series. The 250's should go all year long, along with the 450's to all 17 rounds. As for the other two championships. Create one for 250's and the other for 450's but separate the coasts like the lites class now. They would have an abbreviated SX championship to get them noticed.
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10/31/2008 10:51am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:03pm
"I would like to see the 450 class be the 450 class with an 18 year old min. age. "

You are singling out guys that turn pro when they reach 16. Alot of riders elect not to turn pro until they complete their formal highschool education (like Chris Blose). You are saying that he should jump right in to the 450 class with no professional experience to speak of? That would not be fair to any 450 riders....much less Chris.

Some guys stay in the 250 class because that is the ride they are offered. It does not have much to do with which class they prefer to ride in.



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10/31/2008 12:18pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:04pm
So you can have 2 titles that mean nothing. And lets not forget how important the end of the yr east west shootout is in Vegas.

The bottom line is there should be one series. If a Lites rider can't make all of the rounds he might want to consider getting a real job and get started with the rest of his life.
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10/31/2008 2:55pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:04pm
Ozzy wrote:
For years I've been saying to make it "1series". The reason for being is long gone. The class has matured into what we now many many...
For years I've been saying to make it "1series".
The reason for being is long gone. The class
has matured into what we now many many times
call the best racing. Not taking away anything from
the 450's, but there there's usually just so few going for it!
The "Lites" deserves no-less in my opinion.
Again, it's grown into it & the shoe fits!
Look to the "Outdoors" for the example!
The "Lites" are "hammer-n-nail" the whole time
regardless of location.
Something to look at.
Dave O.Wink
"Change is good"..........Woohoo
Your correct in what your saying, but wouldn't the 450 class be the same way if they moved up the lites guys faster. Seems to me the top lites guys are in the lites class way to long and could most definately fill in the gaps that you see in the competition in the 450 class.

Maybe there needs to be more insentive for these lites guys to want to be in the premier class.

If your extremely good at basketball the guys skip ncaa ball and go to the nba for the money and the competition. Maybe reaching with that comparison but you get the idea.
There are just some guys that need to move up after a year in the class in my opinion.
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10/31/2008 8:15pm
PD441 wrote:
It makes even less sense now that you can race a 250 in the 450 class.
minidad160 wrote:
agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why?

allowing the 250's in with the 450's will help the cause, if im reading the general sentiment of this thread.

people are tired of factory backed premier riders, camping out in what's supposed to be a "feeder" class correct?

and the teams arent going to put these 16yo's instantly on 450's. no matter how badly they smoke the field in the feeder series (ie like bubba did, RV just did, dungey will do this year) they arent ready to adapt to the 450 class as a whole. but on a 250 it should make the transition easier.

now do i think we will see a mass migration of talent and teams to the "premier" class (450). no, teams are still gonna coddle their riders and develop them in the 250 class at the moment.

maybe though, we will see them move up a year earlier than they are. 3 years in 250 for some of these kids is way to long.

and why shouldnt a 250 be allowed with the 450s? logically, why should there be a minimum cc restriction? never made sense to me before. im glad they changed it.

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11/1/2008 8:31pm
On the age limit, i simply meant that they should be at least 18 to ride 450's.
Along with meeting some advancement requirements.
The problem is that there is no more "coming up through the ranks."
Kids can leave lorettas and go ride millvile in the "premier" class at 16 years old.

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11/2/2008 10:37am
OK, Eagle, that makes sense.

Kids can jump in to the premier class straight from the amateur ranks (which I agree they shouldn't be able to do) because they have been groomed, prepared, and promoted with full-on sponsorship as amateurs. The only thing that is different for many of them is a paycheck. Huh

Gma B
11/2/2008 7:34pm
I dont know about non-paying. Maybe put a cap on what they can make in the Lites class where you can only max out at 60,000 a year including sponser deals and granted travelling costs aren't factored in. Keep the lites riders at an average full-time working mans salary.

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