Stewart, JGR, Pirelli?

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How will Bubba do on these unproven tires, if in fact he does land at JGR?
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Octane 10/23/2011 6:15am
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There is no "if in fact he does ". He *IS* going to JGR and I think the Pirellis will be just fine??
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Your right Pirelli is completely unproven, after all, they only have around 56 world MX titles.
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Your right Pirelli is completely unproven, after all, they only have around 56 world MX titles.
So does KTM but how many do both have in SX/MX in the USA where the fastest guys in the world race?

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Could be an advantage at times since most others will be on Dunlop. ...or disadvantage.
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mxracer816 wrote:
How will Bubba do on these unproven tires, if in fact he does land at JGR?
Davi, Justin, and les did very well with them.
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machine wrote:
Your right Pirelli is completely unproven, after all, they only have around 56 world MX titles.
fader418 wrote:
So does KTM but how many do both have in SX/MX in the USA where the fastest guys in the world race?
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How many times did Brayton or Millsaps crash due to washing the front-end last year?.....None that I can remember.

They just swept the SX Lites podium in Australia & went 1-3 in the Pro Open. They have made spec-tires for World Superbike, Formula 1......I imagine they can build a capable SX tire for dirt bikes.
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Racer111 10/23/2011 7:46am
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machine wrote:
Your right Pirelli is completely unproven, after all, they only have around 56 world MX titles.
fader418 wrote:
So does KTM but how many do both have in SX/MX in the USA where the fastest guys in the world race?
jh43 wrote:
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How...
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How many times did Brayton or Millsaps crash due to washing the front-end last year?.....None that I can remember.

They just swept the SX Lites podium in Australia & went 1-3 in the Pro Open. They have made spec-tires for World Superbike, Formula 1......I imagine they can build a capable SX tire for dirt bikes.
While I think that Pirelli tires will be fine, comparing Milsaps and Brayton's non-issue with the tires is kind of a moot point. Neither one of those guys enter or exit turns near the speed JS7 and RV do.

And honestly, the front end washouts that JS7 and RV experienced were more of a front suspension set-up as opposed to a traction issue.
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fader418 wrote:
So does KTM but how many do both have in SX/MX in the USA where the fastest guys in the world race?
jh43 wrote:
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How...
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How many times did Brayton or Millsaps crash due to washing the front-end last year?.....None that I can remember.

They just swept the SX Lites podium in Australia & went 1-3 in the Pro Open. They have made spec-tires for World Superbike, Formula 1......I imagine they can build a capable SX tire for dirt bikes.
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While I think that Pirelli tires will be fine, comparing Milsaps and Brayton's non-issue with the tires is kind of a moot point. Neither one of...
While I think that Pirelli tires will be fine, comparing Milsaps and Brayton's non-issue with the tires is kind of a moot point. Neither one of those guys enter or exit turns near the speed JS7 and RV do.

And honestly, the front end washouts that JS7 and RV experienced were more of a front suspension set-up as opposed to a traction issue.
wow, the sheep really run free on Viltal. I suppose you also think Michelin tires are unproven too?


Just because a tire manufacturer doesn't sponsor a series, doesn't mean their tires suck. Both Pirelli and Michelin make really good tires. Don't get so caught up in the marketing guys.
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Racer111 10/23/2011 8:33am
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jh43 wrote:
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How...
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How many times did Brayton or Millsaps crash due to washing the front-end last year?.....None that I can remember.

They just swept the SX Lites podium in Australia & went 1-3 in the Pro Open. They have made spec-tires for World Superbike, Formula 1......I imagine they can build a capable SX tire for dirt bikes.
Racer111 wrote:
While I think that Pirelli tires will be fine, comparing Milsaps and Brayton's non-issue with the tires is kind of a moot point. Neither one of...
While I think that Pirelli tires will be fine, comparing Milsaps and Brayton's non-issue with the tires is kind of a moot point. Neither one of those guys enter or exit turns near the speed JS7 and RV do.

And honestly, the front end washouts that JS7 and RV experienced were more of a front suspension set-up as opposed to a traction issue.
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wow, the sheep really run free on Viltal. I suppose you also think Michelin tires are unproven too? Just because a tire manufacturer doesn't sponsor a...
wow, the sheep really run free on Viltal. I suppose you also think Michelin tires are unproven too?


Just because a tire manufacturer doesn't sponsor a series, doesn't mean their tires suck. Both Pirelli and Michelin make really good tires. Don't get so caught up in the marketing guys.
Way to read closely! 2 out of the 3 people you're talking too said there should be no issues with Pirelli tires. Wake up before you post!
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machine wrote:
Your right Pirelli is completely unproven, after all, they only have around 56 world MX titles.
fader418 wrote:
So does KTM but how many do both have in SX/MX in the USA where the fastest guys in the world race?
jh43 wrote:
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How...
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How many times did Brayton or Millsaps crash due to washing the front-end last year?.....None that I can remember.

They just swept the SX Lites podium in Australia & went 1-3 in the Pro Open. They have made spec-tires for World Superbike, Formula 1......I imagine they can build a capable SX tire for dirt bikes.
......and I recall Davi and Brayton winning those races after they washed out......

I love Pirelli's! Not sure how Stewart will though. Won't know until he races on them. I'm sure they'll be fine in practice, but if anyone thinks they washed out because of the tire choice, that's just silly. As if ANY tire prevents washouts when you're really pushing the limits of traction.
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GuyB 10/23/2011 8:47am
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Just as an FYI, James went through every front tire available at Dunlop, trying to find one that worked for his style and setup.
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downandup 10/23/2011 8:48am
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It's not the tire, it's the rider!! Silly
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Racer111 10/23/2011 8:52am
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RaceFace wrote:
......and I recall Davi and Brayton winning those races after they washed out...... I love Pirelli's! Not sure how Stewart will though. Won't know until he...
......and I recall Davi and Brayton winning those races after they washed out......

I love Pirelli's! Not sure how Stewart will though. Won't know until he races on them. I'm sure they'll be fine in practice, but if anyone thinks they washed out because of the tire choice, that's just silly. As if ANY tire prevents washouts when you're really pushing the limits of traction.
Niether Brayton nor Millsaps won a SX race or National last year. Not sure what you're talking about.
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RaceFace 10/23/2011 9:50am
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......and I recall Davi and Brayton winning those races after they washed out...... I love Pirelli's! Not sure how Stewart will though. Won't know until he...
......and I recall Davi and Brayton winning those races after they washed out......

I love Pirelli's! Not sure how Stewart will though. Won't know until he races on them. I'm sure they'll be fine in practice, but if anyone thinks they washed out because of the tire choice, that's just silly. As if ANY tire prevents washouts when you're really pushing the limits of traction.
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Niether Brayton nor Millsaps won a SX race or National last year. Not sure what you're talking about.
Ahhh, that's the point. I was just using sarcasm. Again, I am not saying Pirellis will be bad, but the other poster was saying that Davi and Brayton did just fine on them.....as if they won anything. As you pointed out as well and I agree, comparing what they did to RV and James is a moot point.
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TJ 755 10/23/2011 9:54am
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Pirelli made special one off front tires just for the YZ's light front end and Bubbas super stiff forks. Pirelli was a big part of the equation.
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mxracer816 10/23/2011 9:59am
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I wasn't relating Stewart's front end issues from last year in my OP, was just wondering how well you think the Pirelli will hold up to the speed of JS7? Also has a Pirelli mounted rider ever won a series in mx?
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bullpen58 10/23/2011 11:10am
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machine wrote:
Your right Pirelli is completely unproven, after all, they only have around 56 world MX titles.
LMFAO!!!

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EvanR127 10/23/2011 12:19pm
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I thought I remember reading that the riders hate the factory dunlop tires compared to the factory Michelins.........
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EvanR127 wrote:
I thought I remember reading that the riders hate the factory dunlop tires compared to the factory Michelins.........
You may be thinking of Bridgestone. Dunlop had a lot of catching up to do after Bridgestone pulled out.

The last big US team to run Michelin that I remember was Suzuki back when Pastrana was still racing.
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fader418 10/23/2011 1:20pm
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machine wrote:
Your right Pirelli is completely unproven, after all, they only have around 56 world MX titles.
fader418 wrote:
So does KTM but how many do both have in SX/MX in the USA where the fastest guys in the world race?
jh43 wrote:
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How...
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How many times did Brayton or Millsaps crash due to washing the front-end last year?.....None that I can remember.

They just swept the SX Lites podium in Australia & went 1-3 in the Pro Open. They have made spec-tires for World Superbike, Formula 1......I imagine they can build a capable SX tire for dirt bikes.
Great first post! I guess you never heard how the riders were struggling with the Dunlop tires after Bridgestone pulled out? It's not as easy as you think. Who cares about some meaningless mud bog race in Australia? And I am pretty sure if RV and JS went 5 seconds a lap slower like the guys mentionioned they would never wash out the front end either. It was not the tire. Its called riding on the edge and maybe for James his suspension was a little stiff.
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EvanR127 10/23/2011 1:24pm
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EvanR127 wrote:
I thought I remember reading that the riders hate the factory dunlop tires compared to the factory Michelins.........
DownSouth wrote:
You may be thinking of Bridgestone. Dunlop had a lot of catching up to do after Bridgestone pulled out. The last big US team to run...
You may be thinking of Bridgestone. Dunlop had a lot of catching up to do after Bridgestone pulled out.

The last big US team to run Michelin that I remember was Suzuki back when Pastrana was still racing.
haha ya ur right! I love my 403/404 on my rm!
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EvanR127 wrote:
I thought I remember reading that the riders hate the factory dunlop tires compared to the factory Michelins.........
DownSouth wrote:
You may be thinking of Bridgestone. Dunlop had a lot of catching up to do after Bridgestone pulled out. The last big US team to run...
You may be thinking of Bridgestone. Dunlop had a lot of catching up to do after Bridgestone pulled out.

The last big US team to run Michelin that I remember was Suzuki back when Pastrana was still racing.
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haha ya ur right! I love my 403/404 on my rm!
Try a michelin rear Starcross
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Are we sure JGR will be on Perelli's this year?
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Haha! This made me laugh. Everything that could possibly change and Pirelli tyres is the biggest concern. Pirelli are the top-end tyre over here, I'm sure that'll be the least of his worries. But he's probably read this post and is now going use the classic "my tyres werent hooking up" etc excuse at A1 when he gets beat again..

Nothing wrong with Pirelli. Nothing wrong with Ktm-(other than a few seasons of bad riders and luck. All has changed now. You'll see!)
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lilbulld 10/23/2011 8:43pm
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downandup wrote:
It's not the tire, it's the rider!! Silly
Dunlop is just everywhere... Brand marketing, dollars, whatever... bridgestone > dunlop , imo... Sure pirellis just as good a tire as the others though
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jh43 wrote:
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How...
How many times did Stewart (and Villopoto) lose SX races last season due to the front-end washing out? I can remember multiple for both riders. How many times did Brayton or Millsaps crash due to washing the front-end last year?.....None that I can remember.

They just swept the SX Lites podium in Australia & went 1-3 in the Pro Open. They have made spec-tires for World Superbike, Formula 1......I imagine they can build a capable SX tire for dirt bikes.
Racer111 wrote:
While I think that Pirelli tires will be fine, comparing Milsaps and Brayton's non-issue with the tires is kind of a moot point. Neither one of...
While I think that Pirelli tires will be fine, comparing Milsaps and Brayton's non-issue with the tires is kind of a moot point. Neither one of those guys enter or exit turns near the speed JS7 and RV do.

And honestly, the front end washouts that JS7 and RV experienced were more of a front suspension set-up as opposed to a traction issue.
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wow, the sheep really run free on Viltal. I suppose you also think Michelin tires are unproven too? Just because a tire manufacturer doesn't sponsor a...
wow, the sheep really run free on Viltal. I suppose you also think Michelin tires are unproven too?


Just because a tire manufacturer doesn't sponsor a series, doesn't mean their tires suck. Both Pirelli and Michelin make really good tires. Don't get so caught up in the marketing guys.
Rc said he could shave off 2 to 3 secs a lap st his practice sx track when he tested his favorite tires by bridgestone vs dunlaps. Dont you remember when rc and others ran bstones with the dunlap logo on em? You obviously are clueless when it comes to pro moto and sx and the difference a tire can make in speed and more importantly confidence. Then again james may need a built in excuse. ;-)
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BobbyM 10/23/2011 11:30pm
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TJ 755 wrote:
Pirelli made special one off front tires just for the YZ's light front end and Bubbas super stiff forks. Pirelli was a big part of the...
Pirelli made special one off front tires just for the YZ's light front end and Bubbas super stiff forks. Pirelli was a big part of the equation.
Ah...then this could work no doubt. Can you buy these james replicas anywhere? :-))
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BobbyM wrote:
Rc said he could shave off 2 to 3 secs a lap st his practice sx track when he tested his favorite tires by bridgestone vs...
Rc said he could shave off 2 to 3 secs a lap st his practice sx track when he tested his favorite tires by bridgestone vs dunlaps. Dont you remember when rc and others ran bstones with the dunlap logo on em? You obviously are clueless when it comes to pro moto and sx and the difference a tire can make in speed and more importantly confidence. Then again james may need a built in excuse. ;-)
Your right I don't know jack. Here's some toilet reading for you though.

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/MXAs-TIRE-SHOOTOUT-In-Search-Of-The-Best-Intermedi-1158.aspx

Tires change all the time try and keep up........Smile

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