So-Cal Desert Racing

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Edited Date/Time 12/5/2015 1:09pm
Anyone here ever tried desert racing? As in District 38 (Near San Diego) or District 37 (Johnson Valley, Yucca, etc.)? In my opinion, its a breathe of fresh air to get away from moto, and change it up. Pretty cool experience. D38 puts on some damn cool 100+ mile races down in the Imperial Valley.
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The word "socal" and "cali" are so fucking annoying
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Thanks for posting, 401. Yes, I started my whole dirt bike career racing D37 when I was 17 - 20. Enjoyed it immensely. Got me hooked on dirt bikes. I then got married, got a career, kids, etc, and stayed off the the dirt bikes until I was older and the Kids grew up. Now I'm 48 and got back into dirt bikes 4 years ago. Mostly MX tracks and following MX. I moved to San Diego 15 years ago and was amazed desert racing wasn't as popular here in D38 as it was in D37. I recently raced a D38 desert raced and am hooked again. It is so much fun and a welcome change from MX. I will be at the "King of the desert" race next! I feel desert racing is making a comeback!
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Nice testimony, do you drink use soy latte in your coffee?
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rubarb wrote:
The word "socal" and "cali" are so fucking annoying
Thanks for the great feedback. I will take that into consideration the next time I post a new topic on Vital. Really, I just want to go out of my way to personally thank you for the lovely response. Without great posters like you, this website would fall apart into a cascading landslide of utter doom. Please, by all means, keep doing what you are doing. All of us members here on Vital owe you with our lives Mr. Rubarb. You are a warrior. Protector of all that is good. Thanks to you, we are all entitled to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of all whom plot against it.

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KAB wrote:
Thanks for posting, 401. Yes, I started my whole dirt bike career racing D37 when I was 17 - 20. Enjoyed it immensely. Got me hooked...
Thanks for posting, 401. Yes, I started my whole dirt bike career racing D37 when I was 17 - 20. Enjoyed it immensely. Got me hooked on dirt bikes. I then got married, got a career, kids, etc, and stayed off the the dirt bikes until I was older and the Kids grew up. Now I'm 48 and got back into dirt bikes 4 years ago. Mostly MX tracks and following MX. I moved to San Diego 15 years ago and was amazed desert racing wasn't as popular here in D38 as it was in D37. I recently raced a D38 desert raced and am hooked again. It is so much fun and a welcome change from MX. I will be at the "King of the desert" race next! I feel desert racing is making a comeback!
Awesome! I am currently healing up from a ruptured spleen, but plan on being out there for the King. Look for a guy on a 2012 KX450 with "401" on it. Would love to meet you.
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Ya bro, look for me if you can, my number is 92, but I will be going by soo fast you might not see me...
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Ya bro, look for me if you can, my number is 92, but I will be going by soo fast you might not see me...
I was just curious Rub- What would you do for a klondike bar?
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You've now sparked my interest. Who the hell are you Rub?
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If you like the terrain give an Enduro a try. Do either a restart or qualifier style which don't require time keeping. They are like a great trail ride with a bunch of all out motos in the middle of them.
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If you like the terrain give an Enduro a try. Do either a restart or qualifier style which don't require time keeping. They are like a...
If you like the terrain give an Enduro a try. Do either a restart or qualifier style which don't require time keeping. They are like a great trail ride with a bunch of all out motos in the middle of them.
Have you ever tried the d37 Big 6 Grand Prix races? They're a blast.
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401 wrote:
You've now sparked my interest. Who the hell are you Rub?
Friend of mine does business with Brandt, good shit
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You've now sparked my interest. Who the hell are you Rub?
rubarb wrote:
Friend of mine does business with Brandt, good shit
right on Rub. right on.
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Grew up out in the desert. Johnson Valley, Red Mountain, Rock Pile. Unfortunately the Marine base has shut a lot of the OHV area down recently for military usage. Still awesome area out there. Endless trails. My dad raced D37 for years and I have grown up riding/racing desert. Tracks are fun but the high speed unpredictable whoops, rocks, bushes, and sand washes make it for one helluva ride!
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Yeah I dabbled a bit in desert events. (this pic belongs in the "Official Spode riding picture thread")

Though I don't do any thing competition wise any more, the desert events where a nice change of pace to be sure. I personally liked the moto thing a bit more, but there's not much that can beat a day/weekend in the desert on a beautiful winter/spring day.
Good timesSmile


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BAMX wrote:
If you like the terrain give an Enduro a try. Do either a restart or qualifier style which don't require time keeping. They are like a...
If you like the terrain give an Enduro a try. Do either a restart or qualifier style which don't require time keeping. They are like a great trail ride with a bunch of all out motos in the middle of them.
401 wrote:
Have you ever tried the d37 Big 6 Grand Prix races? They're a blast.
I did one last year and it wasn't my cup of tea. We were the last race of the weekend and the track was beat to shit and super fast with blinding dust. My days of crashing my brains out in sixth gear are over. Well, I say that but I still race 0-200 expert which has my old ass trying to run down a bunch of 17 year olds. If you are ever really interested in doing an Enduro in D37 shoot me a PM before you sign up and see if I am going. I usually have a spot on my line always willing to show a newbie the ropes.
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Look for #257s on a 2009 KX 450, 401. I will have a stick with me to stick in rubarb's spokes when #92 goes by. JK. I will say hi to both of you when I see you out there.
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Look for #257s on a 2009 KX 450, 401. I will have a stick with me to stick in rubarb's spokes when #92 goes by. JK...
Look for #257s on a 2009 KX 450, 401. I will have a stick with me to stick in rubarb's spokes when #92 goes by. JK. I will say hi to both of you when I see you out there.
Cool...Just look for the bike in my profile pic. That is me at the end of the first loop Last Dog Standing last year.
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KAB wrote:
Thanks for posting, 401. Yes, I started my whole dirt bike career racing D37 when I was 17 - 20. Enjoyed it immensely. Got me hooked...
Thanks for posting, 401. Yes, I started my whole dirt bike career racing D37 when I was 17 - 20. Enjoyed it immensely. Got me hooked on dirt bikes. I then got married, got a career, kids, etc, and stayed off the the dirt bikes until I was older and the Kids grew up. Now I'm 48 and got back into dirt bikes 4 years ago. Mostly MX tracks and following MX. I moved to San Diego 15 years ago and was amazed desert racing wasn't as popular here in D38 as it was in D37. I recently raced a D38 desert raced and am hooked again. It is so much fun and a welcome change from MX. I will be at the "King of the desert" race next! I feel desert racing is making a comeback!
I really hope it does start making a comeback but currently it is still struggling. Not due to lack of interest, but due to money. The recession isn't over and people still don't have money to go out and race. Ever since the California 200 race crash the insurance for the hosting clubs has gone way up, as well as the BLM fees and other required fees, which hiked the entry fees up. It may have been a truck race incident, but that incident affected ALL desert racing as a whole. So people don't have money to spend like before and the fees are greater, so it is at a low right now.

Also, it doesn't help that we just lost about half of Johnson Valley to the Marine base. It really, really sucks and is very sad for those of us who know that valley and know the great riding areas that we just lost. It sucks.
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Yeah years of district 38 and some of the FUD series. Living in Brawley, you might as well just start racing SCORE and stop screwing around.
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We say socal but we don't say cali. Only people outside of California say cali
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socaldan wrote:
I really hope it does start making a comeback but currently it is still struggling. Not due to lack of interest, but due to money. The...
I really hope it does start making a comeback but currently it is still struggling. Not due to lack of interest, but due to money. The recession isn't over and people still don't have money to go out and race. Ever since the California 200 race crash the insurance for the hosting clubs has gone way up, as well as the BLM fees and other required fees, which hiked the entry fees up. It may have been a truck race incident, but that incident affected ALL desert racing as a whole. So people don't have money to spend like before and the fees are greater, so it is at a low right now.

Also, it doesn't help that we just lost about half of Johnson Valley to the Marine base. It really, really sucks and is very sad for those of us who know that valley and know the great riding areas that we just lost. It sucks.
There are too many factors to point to one for the decline in participation but I would say that the economy is the biggest factor. Some of the race series have insane entry fees like Best in the Desert and SCORE. I did a 50 minute BITD gran prix in Parker a few years go and the entry was like $250 for practice and 1 race. That is a dying business model these days.

Also, many of the older club members are just a pain in the ass. If you have ever gone on the D37 message board, you will quickly see my point. Most of them have a take it or leave it attitude and a lot of the people I have talked to don't want to deal with it. There was some insane thread where a guy mentioned that he thought that his trophy was a bit disappointing (It was an 8x10 of him during the race with whatever printed on it). His point was that he started racing later in life and worked to the point of finally getting a trophy and was a bit sad. Especially since the particular club is supposed to be the best..blah blah blah. That turned into insults which finally turned into what I read as physical threats.

All this being said, I would encourage anyone to give it a try. The CHEC series is awesome and Eric Kudla who promotes that the GXE and a bunch of other stuff is super friendly and always willing to help bring new riders out.
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BAMX wrote:
There are too many factors to point to one for the decline in participation but I would say that the economy is the biggest factor. Some...
There are too many factors to point to one for the decline in participation but I would say that the economy is the biggest factor. Some of the race series have insane entry fees like Best in the Desert and SCORE. I did a 50 minute BITD gran prix in Parker a few years go and the entry was like $250 for practice and 1 race. That is a dying business model these days.

Also, many of the older club members are just a pain in the ass. If you have ever gone on the D37 message board, you will quickly see my point. Most of them have a take it or leave it attitude and a lot of the people I have talked to don't want to deal with it. There was some insane thread where a guy mentioned that he thought that his trophy was a bit disappointing (It was an 8x10 of him during the race with whatever printed on it). His point was that he started racing later in life and worked to the point of finally getting a trophy and was a bit sad. Especially since the particular club is supposed to be the best..blah blah blah. That turned into insults which finally turned into what I read as physical threats.

All this being said, I would encourage anyone to give it a try. The CHEC series is awesome and Eric Kudla who promotes that the GXE and a bunch of other stuff is super friendly and always willing to help bring new riders out.
Everything you just said here is true, but it is also true of other forms of racing organizations as well, desert or not, motorcycle or not. There is always going to be some politics and drama, thats life and we can't get away from it.

I'm a member of a D37 desert club that hosts a NHHA (national hare and hound). I race all the D37 desert races, the NHHA series, the D37 big 6 series, and the D37 summer motocross series too. I grew up in apple valley riding desert and its my whole life. We did just lose half of johnson valley to the marines, however we still have half of it, stoddard, slash-x, red mountain. Desert racing will survive and carry on.

Entries fee's have gone up. Its got more expensive. When I started desert racing it was $30 per entry. Now its a whooping $45 for the local races, and it's $58 for the national hare and hounds. Compared to SCORE and BITD that is seriously a drop in the bucket. I've also done other MX series and practice plus 1/2 classes sets you back $70-80 so the entry fee isn't the problem in my humble opinion.

I think a lot of it has to do with the long drive, and you're out on the bike for more than a 20 minute moto. We're out there for 70-80 miles, which can take 3-5 hours, sometimes more depending on the race. It's not for everyone. There's a lot of little sissy lala's who don't want to scratch their plastics, who are too scared to get up into 5th/6th gear, absolutely freak out in dust, etc etc. Motocross is already a tough sport, desert racing takes it to an entirely different level of tough.

However the satisfaction of finishing a real desert race is unlike any moto win I've ever had (although a 1st OA moto is awesome!) I also think that the lifestyle and appeal of desert racing is very nostalgic. The vast majority of people who race and go to the D37 desert races would give you the shirt off their back if you asked. Very good people, very good atmosphere, and very family friendly. Think of it as a mini vacation every other weekend with your best friends. You get to camp in the desert for the weekend, then race your ass off and push yourself to limits you never knew you had, and get the satisfaction of that little metal finisher pin that means more than most trophies you'll ever get. If you're racing for a big shiny trophy or want to show off to your friends and buddies maybe motocross is the way to go, but if you're up for a challenge and want to make some life long friends I would definitely say come out to a D37 desert race. Its a once in a lifetime experience and Id be happy to help anyone who wants to come and give it a try. Just shoot me a PM if you do.
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I've never raced desert in southern California (though I'd love to give it a try)...but I think more moto folks need to try desert race (or any off road race)...the bang for the buck is way better than in moto (10X's the seat time for the entry fee)...way less "bros" out in the desert...and it takes the mental and physical difficulty of moto and doubles it...I LOVE desert racing....Nothing like it.

I do realize its not for everyone...the speeds...the dust...the unknown...there is a HUGE pucker factor involved in hare and hounds. (I think Dirt Rider reviewed the various off road series-National Enduro, GNCC, WORCS, NHHA, etc. and said GNCC was the hardest...but that the NHHA's are the scariest...there is a huge pucker factor.)

But here's the deal...for most-probably 99% of the riders-the speeds aren't really that high (for the pros, fast A and B riders, yes)...and by the 3/4 point in the race its nothing but a trail ride because your to exhausted to even stand up.
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definitely dig desert riding and racing. haven't actually raced desert much in the last few years, but the last one i did at the Knolls, UT was awesome.

woke up to about 6 inches of snow and ended up doing the same loop 3 times instead of 3 seperate loops because of the visibility. conditions first lap were just snowy, but turned to pure hell on lap 2-3. over a foot deep mud across salt-flats, whoops the size of a volkswagen, and sleet constantly fell just ruining my goggles and gloves. my whole hand was a blister. great times though, finished 8th overall and 3rd OpenEx.

Titan... we gotta meet up for a ride this year bro


the only photo's i got were from the finish




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Honestly I can say that following the completion of a desert race, I feel far more satisfaction finishing; over a motocross race. If anyone in the San Diego area is interested in trying a district 38 race out I highly recommend it. Entry fees are around 50$ and the races are around 2-3 hours. Pretty sweet deal! Check out Amad38.com

As far as D37, I'm severely interested in trying some H&Hs out but have no where to start, as I am rather unfamiliar with the organization.
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401 wrote:
Honestly I can say that following the completion of a desert race, I feel far more satisfaction finishing; over a motocross race. If anyone in the...
Honestly I can say that following the completion of a desert race, I feel far more satisfaction finishing; over a motocross race. If anyone in the San Diego area is interested in trying a district 38 race out I highly recommend it. Entry fees are around 50$ and the races are around 2-3 hours. Pretty sweet deal! Check out Amad38.com

As far as D37, I'm severely interested in trying some H&Hs out but have no where to start, as I am rather unfamiliar with the organization.
Below is the website. They have a forum but it can be as painful as an Motocross Illustrated thread. There are a few helpful guys on there as there are a ton of great people and clubs in the district. I am sure that if you post for some info, you will probably get an offer or two to come out and camp with one of the clubs. That can be helpful because a lot of the desert races have remote gas stops.

If you want to try some more technical riding, try one of the Enduros. They are having one at The Ranch in Anza that will be as tight as can be. I think that I got my 125 out of 3rd about 5 times the whole day and I was in the top 15 OA.


http://www.district37ama.org/
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I'm doing West Chec stuff this year. Bit of a drive from Nor Cal but what the hey. Not big on bomb starts so I'm sticking to enduros. I'll be out at Lucerne end of March. Vet B HWT.
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401 wrote:
Honestly I can say that following the completion of a desert race, I feel far more satisfaction finishing; over a motocross race. If anyone in the...
Honestly I can say that following the completion of a desert race, I feel far more satisfaction finishing; over a motocross race. If anyone in the San Diego area is interested in trying a district 38 race out I highly recommend it. Entry fees are around 50$ and the races are around 2-3 hours. Pretty sweet deal! Check out Amad38.com

As far as D37, I'm severely interested in trying some H&Hs out but have no where to start, as I am rather unfamiliar with the organization.
What would you like to know? I can answer just about any question you'd have.
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mx_563 wrote:
I'm doing West Chec stuff this year. Bit of a drive from Nor Cal but what the hey. Not big on bomb starts so I'm sticking...
I'm doing West Chec stuff this year. Bit of a drive from Nor Cal but what the hey. Not big on bomb starts so I'm sticking to enduros. I'll be out at Lucerne end of March. Vet B HWT.
not big on bomb starts? i think that's my favorite part of racing desert... such a god damn rush sitting there with your foot raised on the kickstarter (or finger on the e-start these days), flinching just waiting for that banner to drop! i remember when i was younger i was so damn nervous, once that thing dropped all my nerves and anxiousness was out the window and i was pulling 3rd holding her wide.

love it

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