Right where he left off..... (RV)

Billy Jack wrote:

It can be disputed that RV has Dungey covered. From last night at A1, it seemed like RV, Dungey, and Stewart were pretty much even. I'm...

It can be disputed that RV has Dungey covered. From last night at A1, it seemed like RV, Dungey, and Stewart were pretty much even. I'm willing to bet that if Stewart or Dungey got the holeshot that we would be discussing a different scenario today. I don't think any of the aforementioned riders were riding conservatively last night. RV was only a few seconds ahead of Dungey; that's hardly enough of a gap to ride conservatively. He rode the best race since he won, but this nonsense about him backing it off and having more in the tank is misguided. It seemed that if anyone has a bit more, it would be Stewart who seemed to get by RV with relative ease in the heat race.

Billy Jack wrote:

It can be disputed that RV has Dungey covered. From last night at A1, it seemed like RV, Dungey, and Stewart were pretty much even. I'm...

It can be disputed that RV has Dungey covered. From last night at A1, it seemed like RV, Dungey, and Stewart were pretty much even. I'm willing to bet that if Stewart or Dungey got the holeshot that we would be discussing a different scenario today. I don't think any of the aforementioned riders were riding conservatively last night. RV was only a few seconds ahead of Dungey; that's hardly enough of a gap to ride conservatively. He rode the best race since he won, but this nonsense about him backing it off and having more in the tank is misguided. It seemed that if anyone has a bit more, it would be Stewart who seemed to get by RV with relative ease in the heat race.

Outsider wrote:

Heat race wins don't count for anything. Why battle JS for a heat race win at A1? That would not be very smart, especially after reading...

Heat race wins don't count for anything. Why battle JS for a heat race win at A1? That would not be very smart, especially after reading dipshit posts from guys like you about how RV can't finish a season... think about it.

Anybody who has been paying attention would agree that RV is a racer that is much more at home chasing down guys like RD than cruising around alone out front. After his injuries, rehabilitation and time off, it's amazing he could even run top 5, let alone win.

JS is a fast mofo, we know that. I actually thought he would win last night. But, he didn't... was it because RV, RD, TC, and IT have more speed? Was it because James has mellowed out?
I don't know why, and won't know until we see a few more races to judge intelligently.. (if that's possible!).

I do think RV will only get faster from here on out, barring injury... (knock on wood).

Billy Jack wrote:

No need, there are laptimes right here.There were a few more laps where RV was a bit quicker, and some where Dungey was faster. Their...

No need, there are laptimes right here.



There were a few more laps where RV was a bit quicker, and some where Dungey was faster. Their average overall times were pretty close with the nudge going to RV:



Ryan Dungey: 1:00.012



Ryan Villopoto: 59.894



In real life terms, that is such a small gap that it hardly makes a difference, it's 0.118 of a second quicker, average. If RV maintained that pace the entire race, he'd win by about 2.36 seconds.

That means that whoever got the holeshot and made a little bit of a gap wins the race. That's exactly what RV did.

By the way, Stewart had a quicker average laptime than both RV and Dungey.

JB 19 wrote:

Hey dipshit, you really think that if Dungey kept that pace he would have won? Villopoto was in race management mode. He checked out, got a...

Hey dipshit, you really think that if Dungey kept that pace he would have won? Villopoto was in race management mode. He checked out, got a good lead and MANAGED the race. How many times did MC do the same thing? How many times did we hear that this guy or that guy was going to wax MC next week cause he closing in hard at the end of the race. ........only to have MC win next week...and the next...and the next.....he was master at managing the race.

Lap times are basically useless. Didn't Roczen dominate practice? How'd that work out for him?

Billy Jack wrote:

Laptimes tell us a lot. They tell us what pace the riders are going, who is riding the fastest, who needs to be a bit faster...

Laptimes tell us a lot. They tell us what pace the riders are going, who is riding the fastest, who needs to be a bit faster, when a rider is his fastest, when a rider is slower, and so on. The nice thing about looking at laptimes is that we can see how the rider's are doing throughout the race. Therefore, saying that RV was in "management mode" comes up a bit short as an excuse since throughout the race, James Stewart was riding virtually the same pace as RV, and was passing people left and right to get up front. In other words, James was probably pushing it a bit to get as far to the front as he could and him and RV had similar laptimes.

Now, James made quick work of RV in the heat race so for you to claim that RV was in management mode, we would also have to accept the following premises:

1) That RV had more speed on tap if he needed it.

and (this follows from 1)

2) That Dungey and Stewart are slower than RV.

I don't see either 1 or 2 as very reasonable. RV was more than likely not in management mode since he had Dungey and Stewart behind him (Dungey only a few seconds). He won the race because he got the holeshot and rode the best race. Last night, RV was the best man. But he failed to gap Dungey, not because he was cruising around in management mode, but because Dungey was pretty much equal to RV's speed and RV could not pull away. At the level these guys ride, if they can pull away, they do pull away...especially earlier in the race if possible.

By the way, the laptimes I provided are main event laptimes so they are very relevant.

chrisbuehler wrote:

What race did you see. When Dungey got into 2nd RV was already 6sec away. With open track he layed down a couple laps and gained...

What race did you see. When Dungey got into 2nd RV was already 6sec away. With open track he layed down a couple laps and gained a sec. So don't think RV has some ungodly speed and oh yeah Stewart? He was in third for a good chunk of that race and couldn't catch the Ryan's. He's not a god anymore because he has actual competition. Mike Alessi isn't in the top five anymore and that's who James would have been passing 2 years ago on his way to the front. Every guy in the top 5 is gonna put up a fight and if he doesn't holeshot it's not a cinch he wins anymore

MXR wrote:

RV has Dungey covered when running full steam ahead and will give Stewart everthing he can handle when doing so . I did not say he...

RV has Dungey covered when running full steam ahead and will give Stewart everthing he can handle when doing so . I did not say he will blow JS out of the water . RV got a good start , rode a smart conservative race and had an easy win because RD and JS were back in the pack , he has a lot more steam in the pressure cooker when needed . RV was off the bike a long time with a real bad injury , came back in shape and rode smart last night . We are in for some great racing when they all get a good start and running up front . A-1 jitters are out of the way and looking forward to next week .