Red Bud Observations

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Just got home and had time on the road to reflect on Red Bud this year versus the past 23 that I've been to + MXoN.

The camping / there-for-the-weekend / Amateur-day racer crowd seemed bigger than ever, but the Saturday-only crowd was smaller. I was able to get out of there in 30 minutes and that never happens. I assume this was due to the no-BYOB-trackside rule this year?

Speaking of that rule...not gonna lie, it was nice that the majority of the people there seemed to be there for the races, and even nicer that I didn't have to worry about people offering my 11-year-old a beer bong. Don't get me wrong, I've had my share of good times there back before I started a family, but I don't remember much about the actual races as that ended up being secondary to the party. McGrath, Emig, Pastrana, RC's earlier days...all a fog. It bums me out now to think about it. There were still plenty of sunburned people having a good time, it just takes more commitment now because you had to make trips back and forth to the parking lots for cheap beer, and I think that scared a lot of the non-fans away. At this point in my life, I'm good with that. To those getting pinched off by the new rule, trust me...if you're a fan, you'll live to appreciate it. And besides, based on how many empties I saw scattered around, it's obvious the track crew wasn't being overly goonish about it. Overall the crowd was just as loud and crazy as ever, but that really embarrassing 10% was missing and it's not a place to worry about bringing kids to anymore.

After attending the MXoN I figured the track had been lost, never to be the same. It seemed like there was so much sand that they had gone past the point of no return. But I was surprised to see that miraculously the dirt was great! Maybe better than ever. Someone did their homework to fix that mess. A few sections seemed like they were in the early 2000's even. Great dirt, lots of lines, some ruts but not a slot-car track. Really nice.

Maybe coincidence but a lot of Yamaha 250's were clearing Larocco's Leap easily. I even saw Cooper do it from the inside once. They keep bringing the turn at the bottom in closer and closer and somehow the number of 250 guys getting over it keeps going up. 250 engine development over the past 5 years must be crazy.

The porta-potty situation was on-point. Kudos.

First time I noticed the wash basins in the pits - maybe brought in with the MXoN?







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7/7/2019 8:08am
First time missing redbud in a few years. Watching on tv the crowd did seem quite sparse. I was surprised, hopefully it wasn’t just because the alcohol situation.
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7/7/2019 8:21am
Xracer wrote:
Just got home and had time on the road to reflect on Red Bud this year versus the past 23 that I've been to + MXoN...
Just got home and had time on the road to reflect on Red Bud this year versus the past 23 that I've been to + MXoN.

The camping / there-for-the-weekend / Amateur-day racer crowd seemed bigger than ever, but the Saturday-only crowd was smaller. I was able to get out of there in 30 minutes and that never happens. I assume this was due to the no-BYOB-trackside rule this year?

Speaking of that rule...not gonna lie, it was nice that the majority of the people there seemed to be there for the races, and even nicer that I didn't have to worry about people offering my 11-year-old a beer bong. Don't get me wrong, I've had my share of good times there back before I started a family, but I don't remember much about the actual races as that ended up being secondary to the party. McGrath, Emig, Pastrana, RC's earlier days...all a fog. It bums me out now to think about it. There were still plenty of sunburned people having a good time, it just takes more commitment now because you had to make trips back and forth to the parking lots for cheap beer, and I think that scared a lot of the non-fans away. At this point in my life, I'm good with that. To those getting pinched off by the new rule, trust me...if you're a fan, you'll live to appreciate it. And besides, based on how many empties I saw scattered around, it's obvious the track crew wasn't being overly goonish about it. Overall the crowd was just as loud and crazy as ever, but that really embarrassing 10% was missing and it's not a place to worry about bringing kids to anymore.

After attending the MXoN I figured the track had been lost, never to be the same. It seemed like there was so much sand that they had gone past the point of no return. But I was surprised to see that miraculously the dirt was great! Maybe better than ever. Someone did their homework to fix that mess. A few sections seemed like they were in the early 2000's even. Great dirt, lots of lines, some ruts but not a slot-car track. Really nice.

Maybe coincidence but a lot of Yamaha 250's were clearing Larocco's Leap easily. I even saw Cooper do it from the inside once. They keep bringing the turn at the bottom in closer and closer and somehow the number of 250 guys getting over it keeps going up. 250 engine development over the past 5 years must be crazy.

The porta-potty situation was on-point. Kudos.

First time I noticed the wash basins in the pits - maybe brought in with the MXoN?







Very informative, and I agree with you about your alcohol
assessments and I can barely remember my 20's, but I like it better now. about that last part where they keep bringing the corner before larrocco's leap closer and closer, why is that , it seems like it would be safer to give them a little bit room to gain speed so they dont come up short, it's not like they dont want them to jump it!
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RE: Traffic getting out, could it have been that many “casual” fans showed up mainly/only to watch the 450’s and bailed during/after 450 Moto 2? Was there with my dad, he noticed people leaving after first motos. Lack of traffic wasn’t for a low turnout.
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7/7/2019 8:32am
2nd 250 moto has the crowd looking like a ghost town from the copter cam.
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7/7/2019 8:44am
Great report and observations.

Thank You
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7/7/2019 8:55am
Great report, thank you.

I thought the crowd looked a little less than normal, no comparison to the mxdn crowd of course.

The track presentation from the copter cam looked impressive. This track has put so much back into itself it shows, it's like a golf course of moto.
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7/7/2019 9:02am Edited Date/Time 7/7/2019 9:04am
2nd 250 moto has the crowd looking like a ghost town from the copter cam.
I didn't really notice but it could be because the 450's went first.
7/7/2019 10:03am
First time missing redbud in a few years due to work/life priorities. At MXoN I wondered if the no trackside BYOB was a FIM/MXGP requirement but I guess it’s a track rule now. Which I’m good with! Lot B is Lot B for a reason. Keep it there and there’s always going to be a handful that get in and that’s part of the redbud experience which is all good. What I do think is a little crazy is ticket/parking prices. There’s definitely a better deal with the all weekend pass. But for people who are just the Saturday only type people you are talking $200 minimum to get in the gate for the most part. I wonder if that has a large portion to do with it. Great observation!
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7/7/2019 10:36am
Wasn't there a really good chance of rain and lightning, and a good chance that would have impacted attendance?
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7/8/2019 10:16am
i was in canada fishing. got home late last night and cued up the races. where did the fans go? i been attending or watching red bud for 30+ years. that place was a ghost town this weekend compared to previous years. when i heard the price of the back section (vip fence side) where we usually watched from i was kinda shocked....then no beer? I have a lot of friends who are semi-local and none of them went. It kinda stood out so much i came here and scanned thru threads to see if anyone was talking about it....before i made a post. Smile
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Attendance seemed a bit down from the usual sweaty-body-fest, but it was far from sparse. You only really noticed it when you went through the pedestrian tunnels and there was no wait, and it was easy to find a spot in the LL grandstand (maybe because with the sun and heat it was just a giant aluminum frying pan...I lasted 5 minutes up there). I'd estimate 10% less people.

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7/8/2019 10:46am
Nothing beats a weekend at the races , with your buddies , and a few beers. Sometimes its the only time you might see guys all year, and that is what makes it special. And having a race to watch too makes it a worthwhile trip. No beer in the track at the Nations was dumb, and once people get out of the habit of going , its never coming back.
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philG wrote:
Nothing beats a weekend at the races , with your buddies , and a few beers. Sometimes its the only time you might see guys all...
Nothing beats a weekend at the races , with your buddies , and a few beers. Sometimes its the only time you might see guys all year, and that is what makes it special. And having a race to watch too makes it a worthwhile trip. No beer in the track at the Nations was dumb, and once people get out of the habit of going , its never coming back.
and this is what i was getting at. Smile thanks for seeing it also.
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7/8/2019 11:28am Edited Date/Time 7/8/2019 11:29am
2019 i just noticed empty spots on the fences in spots that normally are stacked.

podium 450 moto 2.




random 2013 photo.

Podium 450 moto 2 i believe.


say what you want. its was a lot more than 10%....maybe 10% each year from 2013...

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bowl turn bleacher/hill 450 moto 2
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sorry for partying
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10,000?
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Xracer wrote:
Just got home and had time on the road to reflect on Red Bud this year versus the past 23 that I've been to + MXoN...
Just got home and had time on the road to reflect on Red Bud this year versus the past 23 that I've been to + MXoN.

The camping / there-for-the-weekend / Amateur-day racer crowd seemed bigger than ever, but the Saturday-only crowd was smaller. I was able to get out of there in 30 minutes and that never happens. I assume this was due to the no-BYOB-trackside rule this year?

Speaking of that rule...not gonna lie, it was nice that the majority of the people there seemed to be there for the races, and even nicer that I didn't have to worry about people offering my 11-year-old a beer bong. Don't get me wrong, I've had my share of good times there back before I started a family, but I don't remember much about the actual races as that ended up being secondary to the party. McGrath, Emig, Pastrana, RC's earlier days...all a fog. It bums me out now to think about it. There were still plenty of sunburned people having a good time, it just takes more commitment now because you had to make trips back and forth to the parking lots for cheap beer, and I think that scared a lot of the non-fans away. At this point in my life, I'm good with that. To those getting pinched off by the new rule, trust me...if you're a fan, you'll live to appreciate it. And besides, based on how many empties I saw scattered around, it's obvious the track crew wasn't being overly goonish about it. Overall the crowd was just as loud and crazy as ever, but that really embarrassing 10% was missing and it's not a place to worry about bringing kids to anymore.

After attending the MXoN I figured the track had been lost, never to be the same. It seemed like there was so much sand that they had gone past the point of no return. But I was surprised to see that miraculously the dirt was great! Maybe better than ever. Someone did their homework to fix that mess. A few sections seemed like they were in the early 2000's even. Great dirt, lots of lines, some ruts but not a slot-car track. Really nice.

Maybe coincidence but a lot of Yamaha 250's were clearing Larocco's Leap easily. I even saw Cooper do it from the inside once. They keep bringing the turn at the bottom in closer and closer and somehow the number of 250 guys getting over it keeps going up. 250 engine development over the past 5 years must be crazy.

The porta-potty situation was on-point. Kudos.

First time I noticed the wash basins in the pits - maybe brought in with the MXoN?







Just like Australia it’s such a drinking culture and takes time for people to get used to changes...
Restricted drinking areas and Alcohol free beer is going to be part of the future including e bikes.... like it or lump it
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