Racer X - Alessi bashing

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 3:42am
Here are some quotes from the last RacerX Redux in regards to Mike Alessi.

Yes, that was an AMA certified official holeshot. Canard ate Mike up immediately, but Mike tried scrubbing the first triple hard to keep up. Then when Dungey made a pass, Alessi stuffed him right back. After the race, the Suzuki guys were kind of bummed Mike did that, because there was absolutely no chance he was going to hold off Dungey for 19 more laps, so he basically wrecked Dungey’s race for no real reason—if Dunge had gotten to second on the first lap it may have changed everything. Oh and about 20 seconds later, Mike hit the whoops and his run at the front was over.

Matthes and I felt bad seeing Mike struggle in the whoops, and his brother Jeff was sitting right in front of us. So we asked Jeff how Tony somehow missed out on teaching Mike the whoops back when he was teaching starts. According to Jeff, they have built full-scale supercross tracks with nothing but whoop sections—no jumps, just whoops. And yet it still didn’t work. Jeff also said he helped Mike after practice in Dallas, and if not for his advice, Mike wouldn’t have made the main event..

It's like RacerX went out of their way to try and slam him? So, if Dungey loses the championship, it's somehow Alessi's fault? BS. Since when is it wrong to pass Dungey, or any racer, for that matter?! Hahn should have passed Reed too when he had the chance.
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I'm with ya, racing is racing no matter what the situation is with championship points.
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I think they have every right to discuss what they think about the racing.

Mike had every right to bang for position but they are also right to point out that there were some bad feelings about it.
It isn't like everyone that follows the sport doesn't know that Mike has problems with the whoops.....
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4/7/2011 7:55am
Dungey could have gotten a better start ! problem solved.


Mike sucks in the whoops because he doesn't believe he's any good in them the whole durned comedy keeps perpetuating itself
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4/7/2011 7:59am Edited Date/Time 4/7/2011 7:59am
I kind of do not like a fact that Racerx gone from "news site" to "opinion site".

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4/7/2011 8:01am
I like their opinion articles like that one. As long as you read it as their opinion and not fact it's fine to me. It's still nice to get opinions from people with inside access.
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kongols wrote:
I kind of do not like a fact that Racerx gone from "news site" to "opinion site".
RacerX has always been more of a lifestyle Magazine then a News source.
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I'm a big Dungey fan, but his team being bummed/slamming another rider who made the main, got a better start than him and didn't just let him by is BS...I doubt that Dungey would make that comment publicly. If Dungey loses the championship it will be because he let the same thing happen to him in about 4 races...IMO he needs to be just a tad more aggressive and guard his lines earlier in the race.

But my money is still on him to win the championship.
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I wish that people would recognize that when you line up on that gate you are equal. When that gate drops we go racing and every man is for himself. If I was Mikey I would have rubbed Dungey the same way. He doesn't owe Ryan shit.

I know of two ways to get faster at riding a motorcycle.

1. Practice with faster riders

2. Experience the pace at the front of the pack and get a feel for it while watching lines and technique.

Pretty sure Mikey is working toward getting faster and he doesn't owe Dungey, Canard, Reed, Villopoto or Stewart a mother effing thing.

Those comments from RacerX can pound sand.

Their is no objective reporting anywhere in the world. Everything is slanted with opinion and bias. Every for profit news organization has to pander to their target audience in an effort to increase ad revenue. Every non profit reporting group suffers from internal group think and has to pander to their donors as well. What can we do.
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4/7/2011 8:11am
I really don't see any bashing in that article. Everyone knows MA struggles in the whoops and everyone knows that Dungey would get him back shortly after that move.

As a fan wanting to see Dungey and Canard going at it for the lead I was bummed too.
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4/7/2011 8:13am
so if a professional racer struggles in the whoops it is off limits to report about it? Also, you would be hard pressed to dispute the fact that Mike could not hold off Dungey for 20 laps, that is pretty much a given at this point.
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burn1986 wrote:
Here are some quotes from the last RacerX Redux in regards to Mike Alessi. Yes, that was an AMA certified official holeshot. Canard ate Mike up...
Here are some quotes from the last RacerX Redux in regards to Mike Alessi.

Yes, that was an AMA certified official holeshot. Canard ate Mike up immediately, but Mike tried scrubbing the first triple hard to keep up. Then when Dungey made a pass, Alessi stuffed him right back. After the race, the Suzuki guys were kind of bummed Mike did that, because there was absolutely no chance he was going to hold off Dungey for 19 more laps, so he basically wrecked Dungey’s race for no real reason—if Dunge had gotten to second on the first lap it may have changed everything. Oh and about 20 seconds later, Mike hit the whoops and his run at the front was over.

Matthes and I felt bad seeing Mike struggle in the whoops, and his brother Jeff was sitting right in front of us. So we asked Jeff how Tony somehow missed out on teaching Mike the whoops back when he was teaching starts. According to Jeff, they have built full-scale supercross tracks with nothing but whoop sections—no jumps, just whoops. And yet it still didn’t work. Jeff also said he helped Mike after practice in Dallas, and if not for his advice, Mike wouldn’t have made the main event..

It's like RacerX went out of their way to try and slam him? So, if Dungey loses the championship, it's somehow Alessi's fault? BS. Since when is it wrong to pass Dungey, or any racer, for that matter?! Hahn should have passed Reed too when he had the chance.
burn, did you miss the fact that it was "the Suzuki guys", not Racer X, that commented on the Alessi/Dungey incident? I like it when people like the Weege go to the source, in this case Team Suzuki, ask them how they feel about a certain situation, and then report back to us minions what was said. To me that's good reporting, thank you RacerX and Weege for that quick glimpse into the mind of those behind the scenes.
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4/7/2011 8:16am
burn1986 wrote:
Here are some quotes from the last RacerX Redux in regards to Mike Alessi. Yes, that was an AMA certified official holeshot. Canard ate Mike up...
Here are some quotes from the last RacerX Redux in regards to Mike Alessi.

Yes, that was an AMA certified official holeshot. Canard ate Mike up immediately, but Mike tried scrubbing the first triple hard to keep up. Then when Dungey made a pass, Alessi stuffed him right back. After the race, the Suzuki guys were kind of bummed Mike did that, because there was absolutely no chance he was going to hold off Dungey for 19 more laps, so he basically wrecked Dungey’s race for no real reason—if Dunge had gotten to second on the first lap it may have changed everything. Oh and about 20 seconds later, Mike hit the whoops and his run at the front was over.

Matthes and I felt bad seeing Mike struggle in the whoops, and his brother Jeff was sitting right in front of us. So we asked Jeff how Tony somehow missed out on teaching Mike the whoops back when he was teaching starts. According to Jeff, they have built full-scale supercross tracks with nothing but whoop sections—no jumps, just whoops. And yet it still didn’t work. Jeff also said he helped Mike after practice in Dallas, and if not for his advice, Mike wouldn’t have made the main event..

It's like RacerX went out of their way to try and slam him? So, if Dungey loses the championship, it's somehow Alessi's fault? BS. Since when is it wrong to pass Dungey, or any racer, for that matter?! Hahn should have passed Reed too when he had the chance.
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burn, did you miss the fact that it was "the Suzuki guys", not Racer X, that commented on the Alessi/Dungey incident? I like it when people...
burn, did you miss the fact that it was "the Suzuki guys", not Racer X, that commented on the Alessi/Dungey incident? I like it when people like the Weege go to the source, in this case Team Suzuki, ask them how they feel about a certain situation, and then report back to us minions what was said. To me that's good reporting, thank you RacerX and Weege for that quick glimpse into the mind of those behind the scenes.
Well said
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4/7/2011 8:18am
burn1986 wrote:
Here are some quotes from the last RacerX Redux in regards to Mike Alessi. Yes, that was an AMA certified official holeshot. Canard ate Mike up...
Here are some quotes from the last RacerX Redux in regards to Mike Alessi.

Yes, that was an AMA certified official holeshot. Canard ate Mike up immediately, but Mike tried scrubbing the first triple hard to keep up. Then when Dungey made a pass, Alessi stuffed him right back. After the race, the Suzuki guys were kind of bummed Mike did that, because there was absolutely no chance he was going to hold off Dungey for 19 more laps, so he basically wrecked Dungey’s race for no real reason—if Dunge had gotten to second on the first lap it may have changed everything. Oh and about 20 seconds later, Mike hit the whoops and his run at the front was over.

Matthes and I felt bad seeing Mike struggle in the whoops, and his brother Jeff was sitting right in front of us. So we asked Jeff how Tony somehow missed out on teaching Mike the whoops back when he was teaching starts. According to Jeff, they have built full-scale supercross tracks with nothing but whoop sections—no jumps, just whoops. And yet it still didn’t work. Jeff also said he helped Mike after practice in Dallas, and if not for his advice, Mike wouldn’t have made the main event..

It's like RacerX went out of their way to try and slam him? So, if Dungey loses the championship, it's somehow Alessi's fault? BS. Since when is it wrong to pass Dungey, or any racer, for that matter?! Hahn should have passed Reed too when he had the chance.
GrapeApe wrote:
burn, did you miss the fact that it was "the Suzuki guys", not Racer X, that commented on the Alessi/Dungey incident? I like it when people...
burn, did you miss the fact that it was "the Suzuki guys", not Racer X, that commented on the Alessi/Dungey incident? I like it when people like the Weege go to the source, in this case Team Suzuki, ask them how they feel about a certain situation, and then report back to us minions what was said. To me that's good reporting, thank you RacerX and Weege for that quick glimpse into the mind of those behind the scenes.
Selective readers!
4/7/2011 8:18am Edited Date/Time 4/7/2011 8:20am
kongols wrote:
I kind of do not like a fact that Racerx gone from "news site" to "opinion site".
every news site since the inception of news sites, is oppinion peppered with facts. And its not just websites, watch tv, your newspaper, magazines. Its news reported from that persons oppinion. AP is about the only place you get "just the facts" and even AP doesnt get those right sometimes.

the context they were talking about is something you see in every single level of racing, from beginner to pro.... there is a a hierarchy, from top to bottum wether you want to believe and acknowledge it or not. Riders order themselves. The example was made about how you dont see Wey fighting the hell out of the big 5, but will go tooth and nail against anyone else. Why? Because Wey knows hes not going that speed, but the others he is going that speed. Dont shoot me, just stating it how it is.

What they were talking about was a guy "fighting hard for position" because he got the holie, when the very next straight...ie whoops section (hoops for you RC fans) that 15 guys were blitzing and 5 where barely making it thru-and you are one of those 5. So, the question was, why slam someone to "fight for position" when 20 feet later they are going to blow by you at mach 3, and you know they are going to blow by you at mach 3? You are 3 seconds a lap off a guys time, and you slam them. Slam might not be the right word, he didnt dirty him, just got agressive. But there is no chance he can race with him, so why the block pass? If they were close in lap times, sure, do what you can! Race them. But someone you wont even see after 2 corners, until they lap you? That was the point.
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4/7/2011 8:20am Edited Date/Time 4/7/2011 8:22am
seth505 wrote:
so if a professional racer struggles in the whoops it is off limits to report about it? Also, you would be hard pressed to dispute the...
so if a professional racer struggles in the whoops it is off limits to report about it? Also, you would be hard pressed to dispute the fact that Mike could not hold off Dungey for 20 laps, that is pretty much a given at this point.
Well, those points are correct, however, it's the gap that they bridged between those points and this "...if Dunge had gotten to second on the first lap it may have changed everything." It's bridging that gap between Mikey leading Dungey for a lap and that. I don't buy the argument. Do you?

Ummmm, this isn't a news flash everybody, but Dungey has been suffering from mediocre starts and much less than aggressive riding all year. Don't blame that shit on Alessi.

And truly. For god's sake, how hard did he really slam Dungey? They touched...kinda. Get over it.
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GrapeApe wrote:
burn, did you miss the fact that it was "the Suzuki guys", not Racer X, that commented on the Alessi/Dungey incident? I like it when people...
burn, did you miss the fact that it was "the Suzuki guys", not Racer X, that commented on the Alessi/Dungey incident? I like it when people like the Weege go to the source, in this case Team Suzuki, ask them how they feel about a certain situation, and then report back to us minions what was said. To me that's good reporting, thank you RacerX and Weege for that quick glimpse into the mind of those behind the scenes.
x2 well stated!

Plus, they can say whatever they want, just like on here.
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lucero10x wrote:
Well, those points are correct, however, it's the gap that they bridged between those points and this "...if Dunge had gotten to second on the first...
Well, those points are correct, however, it's the gap that they bridged between those points and this "...if Dunge had gotten to second on the first lap it may have changed everything." It's bridging that gap between Mikey leading Dungey for a lap and that. I don't buy the argument. Do you?

Ummmm, this isn't a news flash everybody, but Dungey has been suffering from mediocre starts and much less than aggressive riding all year. Don't blame that shit on Alessi.

And truly. For god's sake, how hard did he really slam Dungey? They touched...kinda. Get over it.
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And thank you everyone for that brilliant education summary for how reporting is generated and how wonderful RacerX is for their edgey and exemplary reporting - on how Suzuki's poor Golden boy Dungey got his feelings hurt since someone didn't play nice. Dear Lord...
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4/7/2011 8:30am Edited Date/Time 4/7/2011 8:31am
So, instead of Suzuki working with Dungey and the bikes to secure a holeshot, they protested their old team manager because of his 100cc less dirt sickle that was guaranteed by all the genasses here on Vital to never pull a holeshot? Is that the subliminal message we are supposed to take from that?

Dungey needs to get aggressive if he wants to win this thing. It's bad when people whose opinions actually count talk about the stars of today riding like girls.
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seth505 wrote:
so if a professional racer struggles in the whoops it is off limits to report about it? Also, you would be hard pressed to dispute the...
so if a professional racer struggles in the whoops it is off limits to report about it? Also, you would be hard pressed to dispute the fact that Mike could not hold off Dungey for 20 laps, that is pretty much a given at this point.
lucero10x wrote:
Well, those points are correct, however, it's the gap that they bridged between those points and this "...if Dunge had gotten to second on the first...
Well, those points are correct, however, it's the gap that they bridged between those points and this "...if Dunge had gotten to second on the first lap it may have changed everything." It's bridging that gap between Mikey leading Dungey for a lap and that. I don't buy the argument. Do you?

Ummmm, this isn't a news flash everybody, but Dungey has been suffering from mediocre starts and much less than aggressive riding all year. Don't blame that shit on Alessi.

And truly. For god's sake, how hard did he really slam Dungey? They touched...kinda. Get over it.
Ya, I agree with you on who cares if they touched. If Dungey gets a bad start and someone blocks him then that is on him, you can't fault another racer who is out there trying to ride. If you are a champion and you get a bad start, it is on you to avoid trouble/get to the front.
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I like Alessi more after watching the first of that inside the motos yesterday.
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seth505 wrote:
so if a professional racer struggles in the whoops it is off limits to report about it? Also, you would be hard pressed to dispute the...
so if a professional racer struggles in the whoops it is off limits to report about it? Also, you would be hard pressed to dispute the fact that Mike could not hold off Dungey for 20 laps, that is pretty much a given at this point.
lucero10x wrote:
Well, those points are correct, however, it's the gap that they bridged between those points and this "...if Dunge had gotten to second on the first...
Well, those points are correct, however, it's the gap that they bridged between those points and this "...if Dunge had gotten to second on the first lap it may have changed everything." It's bridging that gap between Mikey leading Dungey for a lap and that. I don't buy the argument. Do you?

Ummmm, this isn't a news flash everybody, but Dungey has been suffering from mediocre starts and much less than aggressive riding all year. Don't blame that shit on Alessi.

And truly. For god's sake, how hard did he really slam Dungey? They touched...kinda. Get over it.
Yeah I think we have two things going on here. First is the incident itself, and I totally agree with you that Alessi has every right to fight for that position. Second is the title of this thread, which is completely off the mark.
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The article also reads as animosity toward KTM in general, they just focused their brunt on Alessi.
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burn1986 wrote:
Here are some quotes from the last RacerX Redux in regards to Mike Alessi. Yes, that was an AMA certified official holeshot. Canard ate Mike up...
Here are some quotes from the last RacerX Redux in regards to Mike Alessi.

Yes, that was an AMA certified official holeshot. Canard ate Mike up immediately, but Mike tried scrubbing the first triple hard to keep up. Then when Dungey made a pass, Alessi stuffed him right back. After the race, the Suzuki guys were kind of bummed Mike did that, because there was absolutely no chance he was going to hold off Dungey for 19 more laps, so he basically wrecked Dungey’s race for no real reason—if Dunge had gotten to second on the first lap it may have changed everything. Oh and about 20 seconds later, Mike hit the whoops and his run at the front was over.

Matthes and I felt bad seeing Mike struggle in the whoops, and his brother Jeff was sitting right in front of us. So we asked Jeff how Tony somehow missed out on teaching Mike the whoops back when he was teaching starts. According to Jeff, they have built full-scale supercross tracks with nothing but whoop sections—no jumps, just whoops. And yet it still didn’t work. Jeff also said he helped Mike after practice in Dallas, and if not for his advice, Mike wouldn’t have made the main event..

It's like RacerX went out of their way to try and slam him? So, if Dungey loses the championship, it's somehow Alessi's fault? BS. Since when is it wrong to pass Dungey, or any racer, for that matter?! Hahn should have passed Reed too when he had the chance.
What's not true in that?
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This is one of those classic situations where, yes, obviously it was completely within the rules for Mike to bang bars with RD and try to take the position back. At the same time, it is obvious to anyone who has a shred of knowledge that Mike isn't hanging with any of the top 5 for 20 laps. Or 2 laps, for that matter.

Ping had a good point on this in the podcast he does with Weege and Matthes. He said that when he was in that position he thought it was better to try to follow the faster rider and learn his lines, so you can run his pace. Then if you can run with them, make a move later in the race or wait for a mistake. But if you stuff them back the first opportunity you have, then you know it's coming back at you, probably harder. Basically Ping was saying it was within the written rules, outside the "unwritten" rules, and not very smart. I agree with him.

I kind of wonder if Mike would have done that to any other of the big five. I can see any of the rest of them getting pissed and cleaning him out (especially RV). You know RD isn't going to do that, so you pass him, knowing there probably won't be a payback. I'm not ripping on RD, I'm a huge fan of his, and RD did the smart thing and just passed Mike cleanly and ran away from him. But....that passed showed a real lack of respect for RD - would Mike have done that to RV? Reed? Stewart? I'm not so sure.
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Negative remarks about Allessi because he was better on the start than the top 5. Hahn feeling bad because he passed Reed on the last lap because Reed made a mistake? Please. If that's the case make it a 5 man main event. Why do the bottom 15 even bother racing if its not ok to do your best. Pathetic.
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burn1986 wrote:
The article also reads as animosity toward KTM in general, they just focused their brunt on Alessi.
I agree. It's like JW is on the too cool for school bandwagon and is in the group of guys that look down on and roll their eyes at KTM and their efforts. He's like pfft, whatever. Like he has bought so much into the red, yellow, green and blue dominance that he can only shrug off and poke fun at the KTM effort in general. Definitely a dismissive tone to that writing regarding KTM and Alessi.
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burn1986 wrote:
Here are some quotes from the last RacerX Redux in regards to Mike Alessi. Yes, that was an AMA certified official holeshot. Canard ate Mike up...
Here are some quotes from the last RacerX Redux in regards to Mike Alessi.

Yes, that was an AMA certified official holeshot. Canard ate Mike up immediately, but Mike tried scrubbing the first triple hard to keep up. Then when Dungey made a pass, Alessi stuffed him right back. After the race, the Suzuki guys were kind of bummed Mike did that, because there was absolutely no chance he was going to hold off Dungey for 19 more laps, so he basically wrecked Dungey’s race for no real reason—if Dunge had gotten to second on the first lap it may have changed everything. Oh and about 20 seconds later, Mike hit the whoops and his run at the front was over.

Matthes and I felt bad seeing Mike struggle in the whoops, and his brother Jeff was sitting right in front of us. So we asked Jeff how Tony somehow missed out on teaching Mike the whoops back when he was teaching starts. According to Jeff, they have built full-scale supercross tracks with nothing but whoop sections—no jumps, just whoops. And yet it still didn’t work. Jeff also said he helped Mike after practice in Dallas, and if not for his advice, Mike wouldn’t have made the main event..

It's like RacerX went out of their way to try and slam him? So, if Dungey loses the championship, it's somehow Alessi's fault? BS. Since when is it wrong to pass Dungey, or any racer, for that matter?! Hahn should have passed Reed too when he had the chance.
Sherwood wrote:
What's not true in that?
this:

"so he basically wrecked Dungey’s race for no real reason—if Dunge had gotten to second on the first lap it may have changed everything."
4/7/2011 9:22am
What's wrong with a rider going for a position, if Dungey would have passed Alessi hard, he wouldn't be in that position in the first place.

Same with Hahn, off course he has to pass Reed when he makes a mistake.

There is a fine line between putting on a hard pass and punting someone off the track, it would be a bummer if a top contender got hurt.
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I agree. It's like JW is on the too cool for school bandwagon and is in the group of guys that look down on and roll...
I agree. It's like JW is on the too cool for school bandwagon and is in the group of guys that look down on and roll their eyes at KTM and their efforts. He's like pfft, whatever. Like he has bought so much into the red, yellow, green and blue dominance that he can only shrug off and poke fun at the KTM effort in general. Definitely a dismissive tone to that writing regarding KTM and Alessi.
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burn1986 wrote:
The article also reads as animosity toward KTM in general, they just focused their brunt on Alessi.
how do you figure? All he said was KTM made a big deal out of the holeshot, which is honestly a little ridiculous.

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