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Jesus christ you guys are asleep at the wheel
From Racerhead
Racer X,
Sorry to bother you, but up here in NY (METRO AREA) we are having a problem with one of the tracks, Island Motocross in Yaphank, Long Island. Someone was hurt while riding there and of course he is suing the place. The case went to court and was going to be thrown out when the guy springs a professional witness on the court to testify for him. The witness testifying turns out to be Rick Johnson! Yeah, that Rick Johnson; You know, our hero “Too Hip,” “Bad Boy,” track-owner Rick Johnson! Word is the guy paid RJ $6000 plus a weekend in NYC to testify for him. Now it is looking bad for the track and they may be closing! This is devastating because we have so few tracks up here as it is. RJ was always one of my heroes growing up! With him being a part owner in a track why would he do something like this? He’s gotta know how everyone is sue-happy these days when they get hurt… All for $6000??? I know you can see both sides of things and have many connections so could you look into this? I don’t want to hate RJ but, come on, help the sport out don’t hurt it. Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing from you. Scott Coombs
Well, Scott (and DC says “not related”), I spoke with Jeff out at Perris Raceway about it and he said it didn’t go down like that. Apparently, Rick got a call from an anonymous guy asking if he let quads on his track with bikes. He told them that he would never do that because it is dangerous and it ruins the track for the bikes (and quads). The conversation was short and RJ just thought the guy was asking for advice for a track of his own. And then he got a subpoena to appear in that trial as a professional witness. They paid his expenses to get there, obviously, but they didn’t know anything about the $6,000 payment. Ricky was just giving his opinion to this guy, and it is a plausible opinion, and he ended up getting put in a situation that he didn’t want to be in. So don’t blame this on Ricky Johnson. While I can’t stand the crapbags that frivolously sue track owners when they get injured, I also can’t stand it when a track owner puts quads on a motocross track with bikes. My opinion is also that it isn’t safe. No matter, let’s hope the Long Island track makes it through this ordeal and learns a lesson from it.
Sound like he got duped
From Racerhead
Racer X,
Sorry to bother you, but up here in NY (METRO AREA) we are having a problem with one of the tracks, Island Motocross in Yaphank, Long Island. Someone was hurt while riding there and of course he is suing the place. The case went to court and was going to be thrown out when the guy springs a professional witness on the court to testify for him. The witness testifying turns out to be Rick Johnson! Yeah, that Rick Johnson; You know, our hero “Too Hip,” “Bad Boy,” track-owner Rick Johnson! Word is the guy paid RJ $6000 plus a weekend in NYC to testify for him. Now it is looking bad for the track and they may be closing! This is devastating because we have so few tracks up here as it is. RJ was always one of my heroes growing up! With him being a part owner in a track why would he do something like this? He’s gotta know how everyone is sue-happy these days when they get hurt… All for $6000??? I know you can see both sides of things and have many connections so could you look into this? I don’t want to hate RJ but, come on, help the sport out don’t hurt it. Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing from you. Scott Coombs
Well, Scott (and DC says “not related”), I spoke with Jeff out at Perris Raceway about it and he said it didn’t go down like that. Apparently, Rick got a call from an anonymous guy asking if he let quads on his track with bikes. He told them that he would never do that because it is dangerous and it ruins the track for the bikes (and quads). The conversation was short and RJ just thought the guy was asking for advice for a track of his own. And then he got a subpoena to appear in that trial as a professional witness. They paid his expenses to get there, obviously, but they didn’t know anything about the $6,000 payment. Ricky was just giving his opinion to this guy, and it is a plausible opinion, and he ended up getting put in a situation that he didn’t want to be in. So don’t blame this on Ricky Johnson. While I can’t stand the crapbags that frivolously sue track owners when they get injured, I also can’t stand it when a track owner puts quads on a motocross track with bikes. My opinion is also that it isn’t safe. No matter, let’s hope the Long Island track makes it through this ordeal and learns a lesson from it.
Sound like he got duped
Hope you understand.
Todd
Track owners need to be more responsible for their stupid actions sometimes. If they can't make proper decisions and at least try to make the track safe for all involved, then maybe they deserve to sued or shut down.
Not all of the time though. The RC16 thing is clearly his own stupid fault, but letting quads on the track at the same time as bikes is clearly questionable.
Hope you understand.
Todd[/quote:2899kr3a]
absolutely right. Why did you post this with that headline Dean? You got a beef with RJ? The response clearly indicates that RJ was unaware initially and was then legally forced to take part.
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And if the track suer is right I would gladly testify too. Who wouldn't do the right thing here.
That asswipe poor prick rat bastard RC16 aka Rich Cain sure gave a bad name to real wrongfully injured people.
And if the track suer is right I would gladly testify too. Who wouldn't do the right thing here.
That asswipe poor prick rat bastard RC16 aka Rich Cain sure gave a bad name to real wrongfully injured people.[/quote:2im2bapa]
Oh, get off your pulpit and give it a break. Everyone knows a novice on a new super-duper 450 can beat those Pro pussies who rode back in the 70's and 80's. Hell, those guys couldn't figure out a triple jump even if the novice showed them how to do it.
Hope you understand.
Todd[/quote:3qb16ozo]
I didn't realize it had been addressed, and I think I made it clear i thought he had been duped. I'm a big fan and certainly don't think he would do anything to hurt the industry.
that being said, I don't appreciate having my post censored, but i guess we've already established that Motodrive isn't a democracy( or a Republic)
Hope you understand.
Todd[/quote:3cilb5fo]
absolutely right. Why did you post this with that headline Dean? You got a beef with RJ? The response clearly indicates that RJ was unaware initially and was then legally forced to take part.[/quote:3cilb5fo]
hence my comment at the bottom
"Sound like he got duped"
RJ was one of my idols growing up. Again I was unware this had been addressed anywhere. Perhaps someone can post a link to the thread. It was just addressed in Racerhead, Friday and normally, they're are on the ball.
Tell me what part of my post( title and all) was incorrect. I posted it in the hopes of generating some discussion and awareness. Nothing more
Hope you understand.
Todd[/quote:w7anh12c]
[quote:w7anh12c]Bring your tear-offs and prepare to duck the roost![/quote:w7anh12c]
nobody's above a little roost, and around here, we've all been around the block a time or two todd, so don't think you and your bud rj are above it.
Didn't see any flaggers either?
Tell me what part of my post( title and all) was incorrect. I posted it in the hopes of generating some discussion and awareness. Nothing more[/quote:3qm7ajsl]
Titling your post [b:3qm7ajsl]"RJ testifies for track-suer"[/b:3qm7ajsl] is misleading.
It implied that RJ was intentionally working against the sport.
It was inflammatory.
Whether that was intentional or not, only you can answer
Also keep in mind, it is GuyB's sandbox and GuyB's rules, he can edit or delete anything.
If that's unacceptable to you, you're free to go elsewhere
Whoever you are you're 100% wrong. It opened spring of 2001.
Pit Row
and yes the track was open in 2001 if it wasent then how did frank get hurt? fifio is a good friend of mine and has been riding there for years i dont know frank personally but i know all his boys......the quad problem is just collateral damage of the outcome of this whole situation......with only 4-5 quads a weekend they couldent justify giving them their own 20 minute session so they threw them in with the novices....well they arent aloowed to practice anymore with the novices in fact in the last 2 weekends i havent seen them at all ...it just sucks for all parties involved.....
Tell me what part of my post( title and all) was incorrect. I posted it in the hopes of generating some discussion and awareness. Nothing more[/quote:3qyydv5q]
Titling your post [b:3qyydv5q]"RJ testifies for track-suer"[/b:3qyydv5q] is misleading.
It implied that RJ was intentionally working against the sport.
It was inflammatory.
Whether that was intentional or not, only you can answer
Also keep in mind, it is GuyB's sandbox and GuyB's rules, he can edit or delete anything.
If that's unacceptable to you, you're free to go elsewhere[/quote:3qyydv5q]
It didn't imply anything- it merely stated a fact, one which I think the body of the post clarified. There's a big difference between implying something and people inferring something.
I realize the the only rule that matters here is GuyB's, hence my comment from above
"that being said, I don't appreciate having my post censored, but i guess we've already established that Motodrive isn't a democracy( or a Republic)"
Your title was very misleading, and I'm glad to see it "fixed". Although it sounds like it was unintentional, that is the kind of thing that causes a bunch of trouble for no reason.
Now people can read it, post and go on their way with out worrying if you are trying to start something negative about RJ.
Your title was very misleading, and I'm glad to see it "fixed". Although it sounds like it was unintentional, that is the kind of thing that causes a bunch of trouble for no reason.
Now people can read it, post and go on their way with out worrying if you are trying to start something negative about RJ.[/quote:21ogmkbf]
fair enough
I was hoping you'd weigh in on this FTE
Maybe they served him when he was at Unadilla or some other NY venue.
You can make someone an involuntary expert at a pretrial deposition, but generally a subpoena from state A can't compel a witness who resides in state B to show up an appear at a trial in state A unless the witness was served with the subpoena in state A.
Wildly speculating, but what might have happened, based on the story, is that he got trapped on the phone and plaintiffs deposed him in California. At that point, the plaintiff could just read the deposition testimony from the transcript at trial (because they could not compel him to voluntarily appear in NY). Probably only a couple lines that established his experience and then something like "isn't it true that you told us that it is unsafe to run quads on the track the same time as bikes? And isn't it true that you told us that as a track operator, you would never allow that to occur at your facility because it is too dangerous to do so?" That'd take about 10 minutes at trial.
The defendants may have arranged for him to be a trial so that they could do whatever cross was necessary to clarify the deposition or give him the chance to explain the full context of his remarks.
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