No respect

Edited Date/Time 1/24/2012 2:19pm
OK, so I think I need to point something out. I am a fan of Krock, and I think the kid has an amazing future ahead of him, but where is the respect for Blake in this whole MX of Nations deal. Heres my point. Saturday at the race during the quali Blake started 1st with Krock right behind him. Now remember this was an all 250 race so the chips are stacked fairly. Blake runs away with the moto, pulls a 15 sec gap and then maintains it the whole way. Krock crashes and falls behind and never really did anything with the guys ahead of him the rest of the moto which were Marvin and Dean. Nobody has given credit to Blake for this. Now, skip to Sunday and Germany doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell at a good OA in the event and Krock gets what beleived to be a better position on the gate than the very inside which is were Blake was put by the US team. Krock gets a good start and Blake goes down with Tony in the first corner then has another crash later on and the result is what it is. But, had Blake not been in the back dealing with guys that were at times 5-6 seconds a lap slower, dont you just think he would have run up front with everyone, especially being that he killed everyone on Saturday.

I just think that everyone has discredited what Blake did and have jumped on this bandwagon of Krock. Understandbly, the kid is amazing, but just give some credit where credit is due. These two will have some great battles in 2012 which will be great for everyone, but at least give the kid some respect. In some ways I almost think that there are some American fans out there that had wished we had lost the event so they could have really taken some punches.

Thanks for letting me rant.
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Blake really impressed me this year and he is definitely one of the fastest.......if not the fastest guy out there on a 250. Had he been more consistent he could've ran away with the championship, but crashes and a few bad moments did him in. He was for sure the fastest guy out there more often than not and if he can keep it on 2 wheels next year he will be hard to beat.
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9/27/2011 2:23pm Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 2:24pm
So now qualifiing counts? I'm sure k-roc didnt save anything at all on saturday after crashing given how much the result counts Dizzy He PASSED Dungey for God's sake. No disrespect to Blake, Ken is just one step above.
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9/27/2011 2:31pm
I checked. Blake was part of the winning U.S. effort in France. Enough said.

He'll have all next year to go back and forth with Roczen. I'd say we'll have a better assessment at the end of the year.

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9/27/2011 2:34pm Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 2:37pm
mmcmx wrote:
So now qualifiing counts? I'm sure k-roc didnt save anything at all on saturday after crashing given how much the result counts :S He PASSED Dungey...
So now qualifiing counts? I'm sure k-roc didnt save anything at all on saturday after crashing given how much the result counts Dizzy He PASSED Dungey for God's sake. No disrespect to Blake, Ken is just one step above.
"qualifiing counts?"
Is having the #1 gate pick an advantage on Sunday? Smile
(Blake & Dungeys results counted towards #1 gate pick...they threw out RV's 1st on Saturday)
So in a way it does count because it helps the team overall on Sunday.

I think Blake just had one of those days on Sunday.
And like DC said in his podcast,Blake is much better then his results showed that day.
But every racer has a bad day every now and then.
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FastEddy wrote:
"qualifiing counts?" Is having the #1 gate pick an advantage on Sunday? :) (Blake & Dungeys results counted towards #1 gate pick...they threw out RV's 1st...
"qualifiing counts?"
Is having the #1 gate pick an advantage on Sunday? Smile
(Blake & Dungeys results counted towards #1 gate pick...they threw out RV's 1st on Saturday)
So in a way it does count because it helps the team overall on Sunday.

I think Blake just had one of those days on Sunday.
And like DC said in his podcast,Blake is much better then his results showed that day.
But every racer has a bad day every now and then.
Well, i just dont think you would go balls out to gain a couple positions in a qualification race Smile

and, of course Blake is better than 17, I don't doubt that.
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9/27/2011 2:50pm Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 2:51pm
mmcmx wrote:
Well, i just dont think you would go balls out to gain a couple positions in a qualification race :) and, of course Blake is better...
Well, i just dont think you would go balls out to gain a couple positions in a qualification race Smile

and, of course Blake is better than 17, I don't doubt that.
Their racers and they race,regardless for the most part.
I've seen guys go "balls out" in SX over here many times during the qually's.....
Seen some good battles over the years in the Heat races,LCQ's & even in the old Semi's.
Of course there are bonuses for some guys in SX (for heat race wins) and they do not make any $ for the MXoN ,but it is still important to them. Seen guys over here battling in heat races for 2nd 3rd 4th 5th positions etc....
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9/27/2011 3:46pm Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 4:06pm
mmcmx wrote:
So now qualifiing counts? I'm sure k-roc didnt save anything at all on saturday after crashing given how much the result counts :S He PASSED Dungey...
So now qualifiing counts? I'm sure k-roc didnt save anything at all on saturday after crashing given how much the result counts Dizzy He PASSED Dungey for God's sake. No disrespect to Blake, Ken is just one step above.
I don't think so... "ken, being one step above"...
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9/27/2011 4:03pm Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 5:47pm
Most of you have been racing for long enough to know that the really fast guys, have good days, seemingly, most of the time and a bad day some times... Blake, like ac, had a very bad day... I use to think, before the 2011 MXDN, that KRoc had Blake covered... Now? I'm not so sure... And because we know what they say about "opinions"and"assholes",
"everybody has one"... I guess, I will say, we will see...
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broman64 wrote:
Most of you have been racing for long enough to know that the really fast guys, have good days, seemingly, most of the time and a...
Most of you have been racing for long enough to know that the really fast guys, have good days, seemingly, most of the time and a bad day some times... Blake, like ac, had a very bad day... I use to think, before the 2011 MXDN, that KRoc had Blake covered... Now? I'm not so sure... And because we know what they say about "opinions"and"assholes",
"everybody has one"... I guess, I will say, we will see...
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I use to think, before the 2011 MXDN, that KRoc had Blake covered... Now?"I'm not so sure

What changed your mind over the course of that weekend?
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9/27/2011 5:33pm Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 5:33pm
jamma10 wrote:
[b]I use to think, before the 2011 MXDN, that KRoc had Blake covered... Now?"I'm not so sure[/b] What changed your mind over the course of that...
I use to think, before the 2011 MXDN, that KRoc had Blake covered... Now?"I'm not so sure

What changed your mind over the course of that weekend?
let's just leave it at "we'll see"... Sorry, Jamma...
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mmcmx wrote:
So now qualifiing counts? I'm sure k-roc didnt save anything at all on saturday after crashing given how much the result counts :S He PASSED Dungey...
So now qualifiing counts? I'm sure k-roc didnt save anything at all on saturday after crashing given how much the result counts Dizzy He PASSED Dungey for God's sake. No disrespect to Blake, Ken is just one step above.
Thats funny Ken is one step above? Before Blake got hurt during the last part of the nationals he was killing it. He could have beat anyone in the world any day of the week and twice on saturdays on a 250. Just watch next year. Oh and ken is one of my fav riders but saying he is one step above is a joke
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early in the MX season, I jumped on the BB bandwagon. He was amazing in several races. But, someone made a comment about inconsistency. They were right. It's his Achilles heal to date. I hope he gets it worked out because he's fun to watch when he puts on a charge.

He's certainly capable of being a champion speed wise.
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I think this is why they line em up and race in the first place.
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Roczen = The BOSS
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GuyB wrote:
I checked. Blake was part of the winning U.S. effort in France. Enough said. He'll have all next year to go back and forth with Roczen...
I checked. Blake was part of the winning U.S. effort in France. Enough said.

He'll have all next year to go back and forth with Roczen. I'd say we'll have a better assessment at the end of the year.
Wait a second...........Are you trying to tell us the goal of the race was for the team to win? You better move on and try to start up a motocross web site or something........geez.............
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peelout wrote:
Roczen = The BOSS
'nuff said
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OK, so I think I need to point something out. I am a fan of Krock, and I think the kid has an amazing future ahead...
OK, so I think I need to point something out. I am a fan of Krock, and I think the kid has an amazing future ahead of him, but where is the respect for Blake in this whole MX of Nations deal. Heres my point. Saturday at the race during the quali Blake started 1st with Krock right behind him. Now remember this was an all 250 race so the chips are stacked fairly. Blake runs away with the moto, pulls a 15 sec gap and then maintains it the whole way. Krock crashes and falls behind and never really did anything with the guys ahead of him the rest of the moto which were Marvin and Dean. Nobody has given credit to Blake for this. Now, skip to Sunday and Germany doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell at a good OA in the event and Krock gets what beleived to be a better position on the gate than the very inside which is were Blake was put by the US team. Krock gets a good start and Blake goes down with Tony in the first corner then has another crash later on and the result is what it is. But, had Blake not been in the back dealing with guys that were at times 5-6 seconds a lap slower, dont you just think he would have run up front with everyone, especially being that he killed everyone on Saturday.

I just think that everyone has discredited what Blake did and have jumped on this bandwagon of Krock. Understandbly, the kid is amazing, but just give some credit where credit is due. These two will have some great battles in 2012 which will be great for everyone, but at least give the kid some respect. In some ways I almost think that there are some American fans out there that had wished we had lost the event so they could have really taken some punches.

Thanks for letting me rant.
What do you mean when you say "and Krock gets what beleived to be a better position on the gate than the very inside which is were Blake was put by the US team."? Team USA had the first gate pick, he could choose any spot on a gate.
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FastEddy wrote:
"qualifiing counts?" Is having the #1 gate pick an advantage on Sunday? :) (Blake & Dungeys results counted towards #1 gate pick...they threw out RV's 1st...
"qualifiing counts?"
Is having the #1 gate pick an advantage on Sunday? Smile
(Blake & Dungeys results counted towards #1 gate pick...they threw out RV's 1st on Saturday)
So in a way it does count because it helps the team overall on Sunday.

I think Blake just had one of those days on Sunday.
And like DC said in his podcast,Blake is much better then his results showed that day.
But every racer has a bad day every now and then.
mmcmx wrote:
Well, i just dont think you would go balls out to gain a couple positions in a qualification race :) and, of course Blake is better...
Well, i just dont think you would go balls out to gain a couple positions in a qualification race Smile

and, of course Blake is better than 17, I don't doubt that.
Do you think that something happened to Dungey, especially when he loses two positions and five seconds on reed in one corner? Obviously there was a problem...
And i would love to see blake get on a 450 and win a moto.
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What do you want people to do exactly? Blake had a bad day at the MXDN, but it was still enough to win. I don't think anyone would suggest that he's a crappy rider, just that it was a tough day, in unusual circumstances.
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OK, so I think I need to point something out. I am a fan of Krock, and I think the kid has an amazing future ahead...
OK, so I think I need to point something out. I am a fan of Krock, and I think the kid has an amazing future ahead of him, but where is the respect for Blake in this whole MX of Nations deal. Heres my point. Saturday at the race during the quali Blake started 1st with Krock right behind him. Now remember this was an all 250 race so the chips are stacked fairly. Blake runs away with the moto, pulls a 15 sec gap and then maintains it the whole way. Krock crashes and falls behind and never really did anything with the guys ahead of him the rest of the moto which were Marvin and Dean. Nobody has given credit to Blake for this. Now, skip to Sunday and Germany doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell at a good OA in the event and Krock gets what beleived to be a better position on the gate than the very inside which is were Blake was put by the US team. Krock gets a good start and Blake goes down with Tony in the first corner then has another crash later on and the result is what it is. But, had Blake not been in the back dealing with guys that were at times 5-6 seconds a lap slower, dont you just think he would have run up front with everyone, especially being that he killed everyone on Saturday.

I just think that everyone has discredited what Blake did and have jumped on this bandwagon of Krock. Understandbly, the kid is amazing, but just give some credit where credit is due. These two will have some great battles in 2012 which will be great for everyone, but at least give the kid some respect. In some ways I almost think that there are some American fans out there that had wished we had lost the event so they could have really taken some punches.

Thanks for letting me rant.
Roczen is the future rock star of this sport. People are going to need to get use to all of the attention that he is given. If it bothers you now wait till 2012. This sport needs Roczen more than it needs Blake. Its going to be all Roczen all the time.
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9/28/2011 9:05am Edited Date/Time 9/28/2011 9:12am
In the second moto at Washougal, Baggett was play riding while kicking the crap out of everyone and winning easily. On the big road jump in the back, he would launch it and then look over at those of us watching him up on top. He put on multiple charges from behind in the Nationals that blew people away.

Blake is the real deal and I've known that since I saw him in 09 at Loretta's. The fact that he went from 36th to 17th in his second moto at the MXdN seems to be lost on a lot of people. If he hadn't been taken out along with Wilson when Cairoli hit that tuff block in the first turn I think he would have been well inside the top ten with ease. And the fact that he smoked his quallifier while having never even been to Europe before, let alone ridden that track before speaks volumes.

But if you are looking for love for Baggett, you might be hard pressed to find it. Ken Roczen and Jeffery Herlings are "on another level"--or haven't you been told that yet?
9/28/2011 9:45am
OK, so I think I need to point something out. I am a fan of Krock, and I think the kid has an amazing future ahead...
OK, so I think I need to point something out. I am a fan of Krock, and I think the kid has an amazing future ahead of him, but where is the respect for Blake in this whole MX of Nations deal. Heres my point. Saturday at the race during the quali Blake started 1st with Krock right behind him. Now remember this was an all 250 race so the chips are stacked fairly. Blake runs away with the moto, pulls a 15 sec gap and then maintains it the whole way. Krock crashes and falls behind and never really did anything with the guys ahead of him the rest of the moto which were Marvin and Dean. Nobody has given credit to Blake for this. Now, skip to Sunday and Germany doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell at a good OA in the event and Krock gets what beleived to be a better position on the gate than the very inside which is were Blake was put by the US team. Krock gets a good start and Blake goes down with Tony in the first corner then has another crash later on and the result is what it is. But, had Blake not been in the back dealing with guys that were at times 5-6 seconds a lap slower, dont you just think he would have run up front with everyone, especially being that he killed everyone on Saturday.

I just think that everyone has discredited what Blake did and have jumped on this bandwagon of Krock. Understandbly, the kid is amazing, but just give some credit where credit is due. These two will have some great battles in 2012 which will be great for everyone, but at least give the kid some respect. In some ways I almost think that there are some American fans out there that had wished we had lost the event so they could have really taken some punches.

Thanks for letting me rant.
HatersSuck wrote:
Roczen is the future rock star of this sport. People are going to need to get use to all of the attention that he is given...
Roczen is the future rock star of this sport. People are going to need to get use to all of the attention that he is given. If it bothers you now wait till 2012. This sport needs Roczen more than it needs Blake. Its going to be all Roczen all the time.
Hey Hater, I don't have a problem with Kenny. Read my post, I think the guy is amazing. What I said was Blake's rides at MXN just got overlooked. And for you to say that the sport needs more Roczen then it does Blake is about the same as saying we could have done without RC. Kenny will be a great racer and great showman, and that is great, but so is dedication and hard work and letting your performance on the track speak, which is more Blake's style. Both are necessary to keep the sport balanced.

You seam to be a bit of a hypocrite. Your name is HaterSuck when in fact you seam like the hater. I was saying people should recognize a good performance and consider all of the variables that go into each race. I like almost every rider out there and I simply evaluate each performance for what it really is. Kenny rode great at the race, but so did Blake and to me it just was overlooked. That is all I have been saying the whole time.
9/28/2011 10:14am
I like the kid alot after his year on the zook i knew he was going to be fast............ but after the pala interview i think he is a bit of a sore loser and i really wish we could have just let it be.........killed my view of him a bit. if he didn't like what was happening he should have passed the Deno and left him in the dust proving he is the best but that didn't happen. Sad can't wait for next season!
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Both are amazing riders, we should be happy we get to watch them duke it out all season next year... Nobody is disrespecting anybody, just bench racin... Roczen had a good race, props to him, but don't the pesky Germans always start out strong? whoops, I didn't say that. Here's to an awesome Blake v. Roczen in '12
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9/28/2011 11:51am Edited Date/Time 9/28/2011 11:51am
i sure hope roczen doesn't "cut across on jumps", we could see a meltdown of epic proportions on tv next year
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peelout wrote:
i sure hope roczen doesn't "cut across on jumps", we could see a meltdown of epic proportions on tv next year
Was there any validity to that or was Blake just cryin? We were watching the 1st 250 race right next to the whoops and didn't get to see much else.
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9/28/2011 12:20pm Edited Date/Time 9/28/2011 12:26pm
For some the results from the mxDn is the "only truth".
For some others selective parts of the race is the "only truth"...

The above is a shit party in the shades of gray, at least the second part, but still for me the old expression: you are just as good as your last race makes the most sense.

So based on that, the amount of admiration I feel for RD/RV/Rozcen weights equally with the disappointment I feel towards Cairoli and Blake. And it's damn hard for my cortex as in logic and sense to accept my hurt feeling screaming from the limbic system by seeing CP and AC fail, but at some point I see more honor in surrender.

Basically, I suggest when someone becomes impressed by a 17-17 performance or make the qualifier the main achievement he or she might need to listen to their cortex...

Just saying...
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OK, so I think I need to point something out. I am a fan of Krock, and I think the kid has an amazing future ahead...
OK, so I think I need to point something out. I am a fan of Krock, and I think the kid has an amazing future ahead of him, but where is the respect for Blake in this whole MX of Nations deal. Heres my point. Saturday at the race during the quali Blake started 1st with Krock right behind him. Now remember this was an all 250 race so the chips are stacked fairly. Blake runs away with the moto, pulls a 15 sec gap and then maintains it the whole way. Krock crashes and falls behind and never really did anything with the guys ahead of him the rest of the moto which were Marvin and Dean. Nobody has given credit to Blake for this. Now, skip to Sunday and Germany doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell at a good OA in the event and Krock gets what beleived to be a better position on the gate than the very inside which is were Blake was put by the US team. Krock gets a good start and Blake goes down with Tony in the first corner then has another crash later on and the result is what it is. But, had Blake not been in the back dealing with guys that were at times 5-6 seconds a lap slower, dont you just think he would have run up front with everyone, especially being that he killed everyone on Saturday.

I just think that everyone has discredited what Blake did and have jumped on this bandwagon of Krock. Understandbly, the kid is amazing, but just give some credit where credit is due. These two will have some great battles in 2012 which will be great for everyone, but at least give the kid some respect. In some ways I almost think that there are some American fans out there that had wished we had lost the event so they could have really taken some punches.

Thanks for letting me rant.
HatersSuck wrote:
Roczen is the future rock star of this sport. People are going to need to get use to all of the attention that he is given...
Roczen is the future rock star of this sport. People are going to need to get use to all of the attention that he is given. If it bothers you now wait till 2012. This sport needs Roczen more than it needs Blake. Its going to be all Roczen all the time.
Hey Hater, I don't have a problem with Kenny. Read my post, I think the guy is amazing. What I said was Blake's rides at MXN...
Hey Hater, I don't have a problem with Kenny. Read my post, I think the guy is amazing. What I said was Blake's rides at MXN just got overlooked. And for you to say that the sport needs more Roczen then it does Blake is about the same as saying we could have done without RC. Kenny will be a great racer and great showman, and that is great, but so is dedication and hard work and letting your performance on the track speak, which is more Blake's style. Both are necessary to keep the sport balanced.

You seam to be a bit of a hypocrite. Your name is HaterSuck when in fact you seam like the hater. I was saying people should recognize a good performance and consider all of the variables that go into each race. I like almost every rider out there and I simply evaluate each performance for what it really is. Kenny rode great at the race, but so did Blake and to me it just was overlooked. That is all I have been saying the whole time.
I was not hating on Blake. Blake is super fast . But Roczen is the complete package. He has everything this sport wants and needs. That's all I was saying.

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