LL Battle of the Training Facilities

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Edited Date/Time 8/6/2015 5:27pm
After a couple hours of back and forth from Vurbmoto to MX Sports I have calculated how each training facility on Vurb finished at the Ranch.....Keep in mind these may not be 100% accurate but they are very close!! Let me know your input on the facilities and how they did!

Millsaps Training Facility
1st- 1
2nd- 3
3rd- 1
Top 10- 15
Average Overall Finish- 19.9

Lake Sugar Tree Training Complex
1st- 0
2nd- 0
3rd- 0
Top 10- 1
Average Overall Finish- 22.5

Grindstone Compound
1st- 1
2nd- 0
3rd- 2
Top 10- 5
Average Overall Finish- 16.4

Georgia Practice Facility
1st- 3
2nd- 0
3rd- 2
Top 10- 15
Average Overall Finish- 15.1

Moto-X Compound
1st- 3
2nd- 1
3rd-1
Top 10- 15
Average Overall Finish- 19.4

South of the Border
1st- 3
2nd- 4
3rd- 2
Top 10- 25
Average Overall Finish- 15.8

Club Mx
1st- 3
2nd- 3
3rd- 0
Top 10- 12
Average Overall Finish- 15.8


By the looks of it GPF reclaimed the title as the most consistent but the mini cycle heavy South of the Border claimed podiums and Top 10's in a dominant fashion.
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How does Lake Sugar Tree get 19.8 with 1 top 10?
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How does Lake Sugar Tree get 19.8 with 1 top 10?
Sorry was supposed to be 22.5, divided by 9 overalls instead of 8 but they had a top 5 finish and a lot of finishes around the 20-25 area.
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Here's a stat....It's a waste of money to go to any of those places. How many sx/mx championsips do any of them have ? I'm pretty sure just one between all of them.
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49weasel wrote:
Here's a stat....It's a waste of money to go to any of those places. How many sx/mx championsips do any of them have ? I'm pretty...
Here's a stat....It's a waste of money to go to any of those places. How many sx/mx championsips do any of them have ? I'm pretty sure just one between all of them.
I love the haters that pop up in here all the time, I don't post much but the shit I read is ridiculous. Some people have dreams, some people have money, and others have both. If you've ever step foot onto one of these facilities you'd realize how hard these kids work and how dedicated they are. There are plenty of riders that I would love to see have facilities that don't have championships. You don't have to be a champion to have knowledge of the sport.
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49weasel wrote:
Here's a stat....It's a waste of money to go to any of those places. How many sx/mx championsips do any of them have ? I'm pretty...
Here's a stat....It's a waste of money to go to any of those places. How many sx/mx championsips do any of them have ? I'm pretty sure just one between all of them.
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I love the haters that pop up in here all the time, I don't post much but the shit I read is ridiculous. Some people have...
I love the haters that pop up in here all the time, I don't post much but the shit I read is ridiculous. Some people have dreams, some people have money, and others have both. If you've ever step foot onto one of these facilities you'd realize how hard these kids work and how dedicated they are. There are plenty of riders that I would love to see have facilities that don't have championships. You don't have to be a champion to have knowledge of the sport.
You don't have to be at a facility to be a champion

And those riders you say that work their asses off at them? I'd say it's 50/50 on hard workers vs rich kids slacking
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49weasel wrote:
Here's a stat....It's a waste of money to go to any of those places. How many sx/mx championsips do any of them have ? I'm pretty...
Here's a stat....It's a waste of money to go to any of those places. How many sx/mx championsips do any of them have ? I'm pretty sure just one between all of them.
stocknocker921 wrote:
I love the haters that pop up in here all the time, I don't post much but the shit I read is ridiculous. Some people have...
I love the haters that pop up in here all the time, I don't post much but the shit I read is ridiculous. Some people have dreams, some people have money, and others have both. If you've ever step foot onto one of these facilities you'd realize how hard these kids work and how dedicated they are. There are plenty of riders that I would love to see have facilities that don't have championships. You don't have to be a champion to have knowledge of the sport.
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You don't have to be at a facility to be a champion And those riders you say that work their asses off at them? I'd say...
You don't have to be at a facility to be a champion

And those riders you say that work their asses off at them? I'd say it's 50/50 on hard workers vs rich kids slacking
Never said you have to be at a facility to be a champion...read again. I worked at GPF for awhile and you can't just slack. You are watched by trainers and staff all day everyday. Not to mention MTF is right across the fence and they are doing the same thing day in and day out.
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Id say most the kids at those places don't care much, they most probably already got a good future, why try so hard and still probably not make it? Its rare for a 'rich' dude to do good, too hard. But there are exceptions!
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I wonder what it cost a month to
Live at one of those and can a vet stay there ? I think it would be cool to take 1 year and just go all in to be able to
Say I gave it my all and to see what I can really do . Maybe top 10 at Lorretas ?
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loftyair wrote:
Id say most the kids at those places don't care much, they most probably already got a good future, why try so hard and still probably...
Id say most the kids at those places don't care much, they most probably already got a good future, why try so hard and still probably not make it? Its rare for a 'rich' dude to do good, too hard. But there are exceptions!
I have no clue the gross income the parents of these kids make. I think you might be way over generalizing that it's mostly rich kids who don't care much. In my experience, middle class parents are just as likely to do whatever they can to give their kids the best bikes, training, etc. Yes, they are more financially strained, but that does not mean they can't figure out how to send their kid to these camps.

I think you might be surprised at the make up and backgrounds of the kids who attend.

I may be way way off on this because they didn't have these dedicated camps back in the day. We called it "staying at a friends house in Texas or California or Florida for the winter".
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Never said you have to be at a facility to be a champion...read again. I worked at GPF for awhile and you can't just slack. You...
Never said you have to be at a facility to be a champion...read again. I worked at GPF for awhile and you can't just slack. You are watched by trainers and staff all day everyday. Not to mention MTF is right across the fence and they are doing the same thing day in and day out.
Not trying to put words in your mouth. Could you define what you meant by this as it threw me off a little, I know you didn't say it straight out but that's how I read this part;

There are plenty of riders that I would love to see have facilities that don't have championships.


But do you really think 3 trainers can watch 20-30+ kids on every minute detail at all points of the day?

Just because they are doing the workload and "doing it" doesn't mean they aren't slacking.

Just sayin
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Not trying to put words in your mouth. Could you define what you meant by this as it threw me off a little, I know you...
Not trying to put words in your mouth. Could you define what you meant by this as it threw me off a little, I know you didn't say it straight out but that's how I read this part;

There are plenty of riders that I would love to see have facilities that don't have championships.


But do you really think 3 trainers can watch 20-30+ kids on every minute detail at all points of the day?

Just because they are doing the workload and "doing it" doesn't mean they aren't slacking.

Just sayin
What I am saying is that there are only 2 AMA Motocross Champions each year and this was referring to what 49weasel was saying about the trainers having no championships yet they still train the kids. There are plenty of people/ ex pros out there without championships that have the knowledge to teach younger riders and improve their riding abilities. That's what I was saying when I said "There are plenty of riders that I would love to see have facilities that don't have championships." In regards to your last comment GPF had 6 people at the facility watching over the riders. You went in sessions so some people were in the gym, some were riding, some were doing conditioning and a majority of the kids had to do their own bike work. This left very little time for slacking while at the facility.
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loftyair wrote:
Id say most the kids at those places don't care much, they most probably already got a good future, why try so hard and still probably...
Id say most the kids at those places don't care much, they most probably already got a good future, why try so hard and still probably not make it? Its rare for a 'rich' dude to do good, too hard. But there are exceptions!
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I have no clue the gross income the parents of these kids make. I think you might be way over generalizing that it's mostly rich kids...
I have no clue the gross income the parents of these kids make. I think you might be way over generalizing that it's mostly rich kids who don't care much. In my experience, middle class parents are just as likely to do whatever they can to give their kids the best bikes, training, etc. Yes, they are more financially strained, but that does not mean they can't figure out how to send their kid to these camps.

I think you might be surprised at the make up and backgrounds of the kids who attend.

I may be way way off on this because they didn't have these dedicated camps back in the day. We called it "staying at a friends house in Texas or California or Florida for the winter".
No you're spot on. The faster kids at each training facility 9 times out of 10 are probably getting some sort of a deal where they aren't paying or not paying as much. They are USUALLY middle or lower middle class.

The C riders who have no future making money in the sport (don't cry) and look super factory and have the fresh bikes and go get smoked by the kid on a 125 that's barely staying together, are the big moneymaker. They are rich and will keep doing what they're doing until parents pull the plug.

Then there is people that are decent in skill but still are probably never going to make it, but this time they are lower middle class. A lot of times the family is just getting by because of A. Not getting a break on price and B. Don't have unlimited parts and resources to ride damn near everyday, unlike the fast guys who are sponsored on everything they need. Day in and day out it costs them nothing really to ride in bike costs, the only thing they usually have to cover is living expenses. But it doesn't matter because for some reason they love this damn sport and even though Joey jr hasn't improved really in 5 years they still love it and will do everything possible to give what they think is the best opportunity for him to "make it".



Ok long post, but I broke down 95% of the kids you see at training facilities.




*5% room of error
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Not trying to put words in your mouth. Could you define what you meant by this as it threw me off a little, I know you...
Not trying to put words in your mouth. Could you define what you meant by this as it threw me off a little, I know you didn't say it straight out but that's how I read this part;

There are plenty of riders that I would love to see have facilities that don't have championships.


But do you really think 3 trainers can watch 20-30+ kids on every minute detail at all points of the day?

Just because they are doing the workload and "doing it" doesn't mean they aren't slacking.

Just sayin
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What I am saying is that there are only 2 AMA Motocross Champions each year and this was referring to what [i]49weasel[/i] was saying about the...
What I am saying is that there are only 2 AMA Motocross Champions each year and this was referring to what 49weasel was saying about the trainers having no championships yet they still train the kids. There are plenty of people/ ex pros out there without championships that have the knowledge to teach younger riders and improve their riding abilities. That's what I was saying when I said "There are plenty of riders that I would love to see have facilities that don't have championships." In regards to your last comment GPF had 6 people at the facility watching over the riders. You went in sessions so some people were in the gym, some were riding, some were doing conditioning and a majority of the kids had to do their own bike work. This left very little time for slacking while at the facility.
Ok I understand now, sorry for misconstruing.

I still disagree that just because they are there doesn't mean they aren't slacking. Unless you know every single person better then the back of your hand you don't know how much they are putting into it, you can only guess.
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Training facilities/compounds have been around for years. Its nothing new. Do you think Bailey, RJ, O'Mara, etc trained alone? Practiced by themselves? Sure, its a little more formalized now, but sports camps (for every sport) have been around for years.
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Ok I understand now, sorry for misconstruing. I still disagree that just because they are there doesn't mean they aren't slacking. Unless you know every single...
Ok I understand now, sorry for misconstruing.

I still disagree that just because they are there doesn't mean they aren't slacking. Unless you know every single person better then the back of your hand you don't know how much they are putting into it, you can only guess.
That I will agree with you about, but there is a broad definition for slacking. With how much work each rider is required to put in from the time they get up to motos, gym time, conditioning, eating, bike work, etc, there isn't much time to slack. I'm not going to sit here and say all the riders there are 100% bad to the bone 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, but what they do under the time they are supervised is dedication. Yeah GPF has a basketball court, pitbike track, pond, and other fun stuff after the work is put in, but I dont consider those things slacking.

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Training facilities/compounds have been around for years. Its nothing new. Do you think Bailey, RJ, O'Mara, etc trained alone? Practiced by themselves? Sure, its a little...
Training facilities/compounds have been around for years. Its nothing new. Do you think Bailey, RJ, O'Mara, etc trained alone? Practiced by themselves? Sure, its a little more formalized now, but sports camps (for every sport) have been around for years.
Sports camps for motocross have not been around for years. The only thing close to this would be a weekend of training with guys like Donnie Hansen, Gary Bailey, etc. And riding with your buddy or training with a buddy is not a sports camp.

These specialized motocross camps are relatively new. In the 90's there was no such dedicated camps. The best you could hope for would be staying with someone who had access to a track in warm weather places.

When you are coming up through the ranks guys often trained and ride alone. Remember, you are riding damn near 5 days a week, racing on the weekend, training every day. And this is at the amateur level. Not a lot of buddies who are on the same schedule.

Perhaps things are different now...
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Ok I understand now, sorry for misconstruing. I still disagree that just because they are there doesn't mean they aren't slacking. Unless you know every single...
Ok I understand now, sorry for misconstruing.

I still disagree that just because they are there doesn't mean they aren't slacking. Unless you know every single person better then the back of your hand you don't know how much they are putting into it, you can only guess.
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That I will agree with you about, but there is a broad definition for slacking. With how much work each rider is required to put in...
That I will agree with you about, but there is a broad definition for slacking. With how much work each rider is required to put in from the time they get up to motos, gym time, conditioning, eating, bike work, etc, there isn't much time to slack. I'm not going to sit here and say all the riders there are 100% bad to the bone 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, but what they do under the time they are supervised is dedication. Yeah GPF has a basketball court, pitbike track, pond, and other fun stuff after the work is put in, but I dont consider those things slacking.
I don't consider that slacking either. Like you said there is a broad definition for the word, I consider it to mean not giving 100% into their riding, gym or conditioning. Even if it's an easier day, you still have to give 100% focus to do everything correctly and not just go through the motions. A lot of the talented faster riders are the best at that, because their 90% is still pretty damn impressive they can get away usually without giving that last 10%.
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wwoberg wrote:
Training facilities/compounds have been around for years. Its nothing new. Do you think Bailey, RJ, O'Mara, etc trained alone? Practiced by themselves? Sure, its a little...
Training facilities/compounds have been around for years. Its nothing new. Do you think Bailey, RJ, O'Mara, etc trained alone? Practiced by themselves? Sure, its a little more formalized now, but sports camps (for every sport) have been around for years.
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Sports camps for motocross have not been around for years. The only thing close to this would be a weekend of training with guys like Donnie...
Sports camps for motocross have not been around for years. The only thing close to this would be a weekend of training with guys like Donnie Hansen, Gary Bailey, etc. And riding with your buddy or training with a buddy is not a sports camp.

These specialized motocross camps are relatively new. In the 90's there was no such dedicated camps. The best you could hope for would be staying with someone who had access to a track in warm weather places.

When you are coming up through the ranks guys often trained and ride alone. Remember, you are riding damn near 5 days a week, racing on the weekend, training every day. And this is at the amateur level. Not a lot of buddies who are on the same schedule.

Perhaps things are different now...
Once again you're spot on
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I could see if you're rich sending your kid away for a while to learn some ethics and have some fun too. I think it would cost too much for a poor kid who is actually into mx as much as he can be. It definitely takes an interesting combo to actually 'make' it in moto.
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stocknocker921 wrote:
After a couple hours of back and forth from Vurbmoto to MX Sports I have calculated how each training facility on Vurb finished at the Ranch.....Keep...
After a couple hours of back and forth from Vurbmoto to MX Sports I have calculated how each training facility on Vurb finished at the Ranch.....Keep in mind these may not be 100% accurate but they are very close!! Let me know your input on the facilities and how they did!

Millsaps Training Facility
1st- 1
2nd- 3
3rd- 1
Top 10- 15
Average Overall Finish- 19.9

Lake Sugar Tree Training Complex
1st- 0
2nd- 0
3rd- 0
Top 10- 1
Average Overall Finish- 22.5

Grindstone Compound
1st- 1
2nd- 0
3rd- 2
Top 10- 5
Average Overall Finish- 16.4

Georgia Practice Facility
1st- 3
2nd- 0
3rd- 2
Top 10- 15
Average Overall Finish- 15.1

Moto-X Compound
1st- 3
2nd- 1
3rd-1
Top 10- 15
Average Overall Finish- 19.4

South of the Border
1st- 3
2nd- 4
3rd- 2
Top 10- 25
Average Overall Finish- 15.8

Club Mx
1st- 3
2nd- 3
3rd- 0
Top 10- 12
Average Overall Finish- 15.8


By the looks of it GPF reclaimed the title as the most consistent but the mini cycle heavy South of the Border claimed podiums and Top 10's in a dominant fashion.
Most of these guys are television viewing fans, they simply don't understand, they have no idea what national level amateur motocross is about.
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After a couple hours of back and forth from Vurbmoto to MX Sports I have calculated how each training facility on Vurb finished at the Ranch.....Keep...
After a couple hours of back and forth from Vurbmoto to MX Sports I have calculated how each training facility on Vurb finished at the Ranch.....Keep in mind these may not be 100% accurate but they are very close!! Let me know your input on the facilities and how they did!

Millsaps Training Facility
1st- 1
2nd- 3
3rd- 1
Top 10- 15
Average Overall Finish- 19.9

Lake Sugar Tree Training Complex
1st- 0
2nd- 0
3rd- 0
Top 10- 1
Average Overall Finish- 22.5

Grindstone Compound
1st- 1
2nd- 0
3rd- 2
Top 10- 5
Average Overall Finish- 16.4

Georgia Practice Facility
1st- 3
2nd- 0
3rd- 2
Top 10- 15
Average Overall Finish- 15.1

Moto-X Compound
1st- 3
2nd- 1
3rd-1
Top 10- 15
Average Overall Finish- 19.4

South of the Border
1st- 3
2nd- 4
3rd- 2
Top 10- 25
Average Overall Finish- 15.8

Club Mx
1st- 3
2nd- 3
3rd- 0
Top 10- 12
Average Overall Finish- 15.8


By the looks of it GPF reclaimed the title as the most consistent but the mini cycle heavy South of the Border claimed podiums and Top 10's in a dominant fashion.
I think Buddy Antunez has 2 titles with Difrancesco and Mumford. Maybe like Travis Preston says that coaches like himself and Budman give better 1 on 1 tuition than these facilities.
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Not sure how you are scoring this, but I do know that Jarrett Frye and Jordan Bailey both train at MTF during the summer. Both riders are just not homeschooled. Frye took second in both Sr Mini classes and Bailey took second in Schoolboy 2.
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I don't believe in paying somebody to show me how to ride/train. Riding and racing used to be for fun. Drinking beer, smoking and bench racing with your riding buddies afterwards was some of the best times ever. If you were a serious MX racer in training you drank a gatorade and then drank beer with your riding buddies.
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Not sure how you are scoring this, but I do know that Jarrett Frye and Jordan Bailey both train at MTF during the summer. Both riders...
Not sure how you are scoring this, but I do know that Jarrett Frye and Jordan Bailey both train at MTF during the summer. Both riders are just not homeschooled. Frye took second in both Sr Mini classes and Bailey took second in Schoolboy 2.
Thanks for spotting that, missed the 2nd place finishes for MTF!.....I had 3 written down on my paper but forgot to plug it in!
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I spent a week at the Suzuki school of motocross in 1977 but that is as close to a training facility I have ever been to.
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Since the cost of facilities was brought up, ClubMX charges $1400-1500 per month for full time training.

So right around $18,000 per year. And a one-year contract is required. That's before bikes and bike maintenance which you'll burn through some parts riding as much as they do. Toss in the bicycles since they ride them often for training and the costs could easily push $30,000 a year or more. And that's before you buy a motorcycle or two to take there.

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Since the cost of facilities was brought up, ClubMX charges $1400-1500 per month for full time training. So right around $18,000 per year. And a one-year...
Since the cost of facilities was brought up, ClubMX charges $1400-1500 per month for full time training.

So right around $18,000 per year. And a one-year contract is required. That's before bikes and bike maintenance which you'll burn through some parts riding as much as they do. Toss in the bicycles since they ride them often for training and the costs could easily push $30,000 a year or more. And that's before you buy a motorcycle or two to take there.

Shane
A really good friend of mine stayed at South of the Border last year and it cost him $1100 a month to stay there before the price of bikes and maintenance costs. Not to mention he got his Supercross license which is really expensive in itself and he qualified for every East Coast lites night show last year except for the Dallas and obviously had the entry fees and gas and living expenses while traveling to the races. Plus he bought 2 '15 Husky 250's and one was a full blown race bike. He had a lot of financial help from sponsors but nothing was free and money ran out fast. Crazy how expensive it is to try to make a career out of this sport

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