Factory KYB fork question

nytsmaC wrote:

The factory level guys who are running Kyb. What got me thinking about it was you mentioning that Chad could choose between SSS and PSF1 if...

The factory level guys who are running Kyb. What got me thinking about it was you mentioning that Chad could choose between SSS and PSF1 if the Yamaha thing happens next year.

slipdog wrote:

I personally like the PSF1 over the 2 or TAC, JMO though.

nytsmaC wrote:

Makes sense. So was the purpose of the PSF2 to lower production cost? Barring that, it seems like a backwards move when a few years ago...

Makes sense. So was the purpose of the PSF2 to lower production cost? Barring that, it seems like a backwards move when a few years ago Honda/Kawasaki were equipping consumer bikes with the PSF1 forks.

IceMan446 wrote:

I want some A-Kit KYB stuff. I know its not called that but what ever Enzo offers that is comparable.

ML512 wrote:

Kit KYB (not really an A-kit vs B-kit difference like Showa). Enzo can give you exactly what Cooper Webb runs (minus this special cartridge cap for...

Kit KYB (not really an A-kit vs B-kit difference like Showa).

Enzo can give you exactly what Cooper Webb runs (minus this special cartridge cap for the forks). I really enjoyed my time there. Check the forks on the bike in my sig.

IceMan446 wrote:

How would you say it compares to A-Kit stuff?

ML512 wrote:

I was just making sure that this wasn't a conspiracy theory that people were secretly using spring forks, ha. PSF2 is a less advanced fork and...

I was just making sure that this wasn't a conspiracy theory that people were secretly using spring forks, ha.

PSF2 is a less advanced fork and resembles an old open-bath style fork design. It's performance isn't too far off of PSF1 for the general consumer, but at the Factory level PSF1 offers more capabilities.

US riders on PSF1:
Trey Canard
Eli Tomac
Justin Barcia
Phil Nicoletti
Weston Peick
Cooper Webb
Jeremy Martin
Alex Rodriguez
Aaron Plessinger
Alex Martin
Killy Rusk
Luke Renzland
Josh Hill in SX before injury
Slaton SX team
Barns Pro SX team

Justin345 wrote:

I would be really interested to see a comparison article, in ML experience, for the kit KYB PSF1/KIt KYB SSS/showa A kit spring/ showa A kit...

I would be really interested to see a comparison article, in ML experience, for the kit KYB PSF1/KIt KYB SSS/showa A kit spring/ showa A kit TAC. There have been a few reviews posted up from normal folks on A kits (my review included) but what's really missing from a research standpoint prior to dishing out the dough is someone that understands suspension and has ridden various types for a valuable comparison. Some of us like to spend $ on top notch things (even though we don't need them) but lack the info online for a solid comparison.

nytsmaC wrote:

yeah! Get Bones Bacon, Ross Maeda, WP Factory Services, Ohlins USA, and Roland Solva (with a translator or 2) over to Glen Helen to do a...

yeah! Get Bones Bacon, Ross Maeda, WP Factory Services, Ohlins USA, and Roland Solva (with a translator or 2) over to Glen Helen to do a badass ultimate suspension shootout on 5identically prepped 450's.

GuyB, open up that fat VitalMX checkbook and make it happen!

nytsmaC wrote:

Thanks Michael. With SSS being considered the holy grail by many, what are your thoughts on the capabilities of the PSF1 forks? Just curious, not trying...

Thanks Michael.

With SSS being considered the holy grail by many, what are your thoughts on the capabilities of the PSF1 forks? Just curious, not trying to start an air fork bashing thread, I think they're here to stay whether everyone wants them or not.

nytsmaC wrote:

Thanks Michael. With SSS being considered the holy grail by many, what are your thoughts on the capabilities of the PSF1 forks? Just curious, not trying...

Thanks Michael.

With SSS being considered the holy grail by many, what are your thoughts on the capabilities of the PSF1 forks? Just curious, not trying to start an air fork bashing thread, I think they're here to stay whether everyone wants them or not.

ML512 wrote:

I have a slightly unpopular opinion here, I prefer the PSF1 for moto applications over the SSS.

nytsmaC wrote:

The factory level guys who are running Kyb. What got me thinking about it was you mentioning that Chad could choose between SSS and PSF1 if...

The factory level guys who are running Kyb. What got me thinking about it was you mentioning that Chad could choose between SSS and PSF1 if the Yamaha thing happens next year.

ML512 wrote:

I was just making sure that this wasn't a conspiracy theory that people were secretly using spring forks, ha. PSF2 is a less advanced fork and...

I was just making sure that this wasn't a conspiracy theory that people were secretly using spring forks, ha.

PSF2 is a less advanced fork and resembles an old open-bath style fork design. It's performance isn't too far off of PSF1 for the general consumer, but at the Factory level PSF1 offers more capabilities.

US riders on PSF1:
Trey Canard
Eli Tomac
Justin Barcia
Phil Nicoletti
Weston Peick
Cooper Webb
Jeremy Martin
Alex Rodriguez
Aaron Plessinger
Alex Martin
Killy Rusk
Luke Renzland
Josh Hill in SX before injury
Slaton SX team
Barns Pro SX team

tbucheck wrote:

are you a suspension guru or just work for vital? you sure Honda is on psf1?

tbucheck wrote:

are you a suspension guru or just work for vital? you sure Honda is on psf1?

ML512 wrote:

Yes, I'm sure, but maybe you should ask JGR's suspension guy or MB1 Texas... I don't care for so many accounts messing around like this.

tbucheck wrote:

are you a suspension guru or just work for vital? you sure Honda is on psf1?

tbucheck wrote:

are you a suspension guru or just work for vital? you sure Honda is on psf1?

ML512 wrote:

Yes, I'm sure, but maybe you should ask JGR's suspension guy or MB1 Texas... I don't care for so many accounts messing around like this.

Justin345 wrote:

Only thing missing is some talk about rear holeshot device! But seriously...ML512, any hope in the future for some sort of comparison of kit suspensions on...

Only thing missing is some talk about rear holeshot device!

But seriously...ML512, any hope in the future for some sort of comparison of kit suspensions on similar set up bikes? Showa A kit vs KYB Kit vs Ohlins vs WP Cone valve, etc? That would be a great thing to see! I'm the guy that spoke to you on the phone awhile back about the 2015 Kx450F forks vs A kit forks. Ended up pulling the trigger on an older spring PC kit suspension (forks/shock). Or would an article like that be pointless as they all function at such a high level that it comes to set up and personal preference?

TSCHAM101 wrote:

I personally would like to hear a legit, unbiased comparison. as i am in the market as well... So many options that cost so much.. hard...

I personally would like to hear a legit, unbiased comparison. as i am in the market as well... So many options that cost so much.. hard to pick whats best and feel solid about it because of the so many different kits available.

TSCHAM101 wrote:

I personally would like to hear a legit, unbiased comparison. as i am in the market as well... So many options that cost so much.. hard...

I personally would like to hear a legit, unbiased comparison. as i am in the market as well... So many options that cost so much.. hard to pick whats best and feel solid about it because of the so many different kits available.

ML512 wrote:

Even with Kit level suspension, I think there are a few factors beyond which is best. Such as "who are you getting them setup by, what...

Even with Kit level suspension, I think there are a few factors beyond which is best. Such as "who are you getting them setup by, what bike are they going on, what's your budget?"

As much as I'd love to do that test, getting Showa A-kit spring and TAC air, KYB PSF1 and AOSS kit, WP CV/Traxx, and Ohlins for the same bike would be quite difficult...

TSCHAM101 wrote:

i can agree with the difficult part.. what if after the test you posted them for sale to the public? and maybe do a fundraiser for...

i can agree with the difficult part.. what if after the test you posted them for sale to the public? and maybe do a fundraiser for the money that would be lost due to them not being brand new? idk like a social bar event or something and proceeds go to vital for their services.

slipdog wrote:

I personally like the PSF1 over the 2 or TAC, JMO though.

ML512 wrote:

Agreed.

TSCHAM101 wrote:

i can agree with the difficult part.. what if after the test you posted them for sale to the public? and maybe do a fundraiser for...

i can agree with the difficult part.. what if after the test you posted them for sale to the public? and maybe do a fundraiser for the money that would be lost due to them not being brand new? idk like a social bar event or something and proceeds go to vital for their services.