Dungey took same line as Stewart

Mr. Knobby
Edited Date/Time 1/10/2016 5:01pm
Dungey took the EXACT same line as Stewart in the EXACT same corner - on the first lap of the restart, cutting down on Tomac. Hard to be critical of a guy, then do the same thing as him.

Racing incident, and NOBODY's suggesting any malice on RD's part, but man up and admit it when you make a mistake. Whether you jump on somebody from behind, or plow into them in a corner from behind, the responsibility is on the rider behind.
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Juss 1/10/2016 10:41am
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You would not hear the end of it, if it was Stew who did that. Love the new RD but huggets!
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jonesaustin 1/10/2016 10:42am
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He made a bad mistake and it's VERY unfortunate how this turned out. Now other way to look at it. Stewart didn't deserve this after all he's been through. Plainly, it just sucks. I don't know how else to put it. It just sucks.

Did not need to happen.
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malachi177 1/10/2016 10:56am
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jonesaustin wrote:
He made a bad mistake and it's VERY unfortunate how this turned out. Now other way to look at it. Stewart didn't deserve this after all...
He made a bad mistake and it's VERY unfortunate how this turned out. Now other way to look at it. Stewart didn't deserve this after all he's been through. Plainly, it just sucks. I don't know how else to put it. It just sucks.

Did not need to happen.
I'm sure no one feels worse about it then RD. Get over it.
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jonesaustin wrote:
He made a bad mistake and it's VERY unfortunate how this turned out. Now other way to look at it. Stewart didn't deserve this after all...
He made a bad mistake and it's VERY unfortunate how this turned out. Now other way to look at it. Stewart didn't deserve this after all he's been through. Plainly, it just sucks. I don't know how else to put it. It just sucks.

Did not need to happen.
Racing incident plain and simple.

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Why do people start a whole new thread instead of posting in an already existing one .
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theToothPerry 1/10/2016 11:00am
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malachi177 wrote:
I'm sure no one feels worse about it then RD. Get over it.
Nah, he wouldn't have blamed Stewart on the podium if that was the case but hey

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Look for these sorts of crashes to happen a lot this season, the guys are very fast so they will be trying everything they can to get past other riders.

As for the actual incident between Dungey and Stewart I don't think it was a blatant take out at all.
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Cancerman 1/10/2016 11:12am
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jonesaustin wrote:
He made a bad mistake and it's VERY unfortunate how this turned out. Now other way to look at it. Stewart didn't deserve this after all...
He made a bad mistake and it's VERY unfortunate how this turned out. Now other way to look at it. Stewart didn't deserve this after all he's been through. Plainly, it just sucks. I don't know how else to put it. It just sucks.

Did not need to happen.
Man, talk about butt hurt! How many different threads are you gonna post and whine in? This is gonna ruin your week. I'm sure Dungey replays it in his mind over and over. Let it go..
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malachi177 1/10/2016 11:20am
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theToothPerry wrote:
Nah, he wouldn't have blamed Stewart on the podium if that was the case but hey [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/01/10/119312/s1200_12510354_10205721592938959_5712091240162753186_n.jpg[/img]
Nah, he wouldn't have blamed Stewart on the podium if that was the case but hey

Read DV and Windhams take on it...from former Pro's that know a thing or twoWink
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Ted722 1/10/2016 11:36am
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Not intentional, but the new Dunge was pushing his luck. Lucky the front wheel did'nt get mangled.

Bummed for Stewart. First race back and gets punted by the defending champ.

You can't write a more compelling beginning to the SX season.

Unfortunately, it has overshadowed Anderson's awesome race. That was a hell of a ride.
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theToothPerry 1/10/2016 12:27pm
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malachi177 wrote:
Read DV and Windhams take on it...from former Pro's that know a thing or twoWink
They might, but this thing would totally be flipped on its head if say Friese did the same thing to say Dungey...
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Imagine Canard would have been closer and hit him like Dungey hit Stewart
Sure it would be Canards fault. History proves it
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I am glad somebody else understands track position.
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malachi177 1/10/2016 12:35pm
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malachi177 wrote:
Read DV and Windhams take on it...from former Pro's that know a thing or twoWink
theToothPerry wrote:
They might, but this thing would totally be flipped on its head if say Friese did the same thing to say Dungey...
And so it should be....considering that toolbag (Friese) has a long history of intentionally taking people out. RD, not a chance. Ask Weston what he thinks about FrieseLaughing
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malachi177 wrote:
I'm sure no one feels worse about it then RD. Get over it.
theToothPerry wrote:
Nah, he wouldn't have blamed Stewart on the podium if that was the case but hey [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/01/10/119312/s1200_12510354_10205721592938959_5712091240162753186_n.jpg[/img]
Nah, he wouldn't have blamed Stewart on the podium if that was the case but hey

Awe poor guy I'm sure Ryan will send your boy flowers this week.
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Mr. Knobby wrote:
Dungey took the EXACT same line as Stewart in the EXACT same corner - on the first lap of the restart, cutting down on Tomac. Hard...
Dungey took the EXACT same line as Stewart in the EXACT same corner - on the first lap of the restart, cutting down on Tomac. Hard to be critical of a guy, then do the same thing as him.

Racing incident, and NOBODY's suggesting any malice on RD's part, but man up and admit it when you make a mistake. Whether you jump on somebody from behind, or plow into them in a corner from behind, the responsibility is on the rider behind.
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Ted722 wrote:
Not intentional, but the new Dunge was pushing his luck. Lucky the front wheel did'nt get mangled. Bummed for Stewart. First race back and gets punted...
Not intentional, but the new Dunge was pushing his luck. Lucky the front wheel did'nt get mangled.

Bummed for Stewart. First race back and gets punted by the defending champ.

You can't write a more compelling beginning to the SX season.

Unfortunately, it has overshadowed Anderson's awesome race. That was a hell of a ride.
"Unfortunately, it has overshadowed Anderson's awesome race. That was a hell of a ride."

Seely led for 14 laps and Dungey only got into 2nd on the last lap. I'd give more props to Seely.
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TDeath21 1/10/2016 2:24pm
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Stewart can't be cutting down like that in traffic. That's racing 101. Remember Toronto in 2011? I blamed Villopoto for that one and I'm blaming Stewart for this one.

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Mr. Knobby 1/10/2016 2:45pm
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MR. X wrote:
Why do people start a whole new thread instead of posting in an already existing one .
Because it's a new topic.
Mr. Knobby 1/10/2016 2:46pm
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kiwifan wrote:
Look for these sorts of crashes to happen a lot this season, the guys are very fast so they will be trying everything they can to...
Look for these sorts of crashes to happen a lot this season, the guys are very fast so they will be trying everything they can to get past other riders.

As for the actual incident between Dungey and Stewart I don't think it was a blatant take out at all.
Nobody said it was, you're posting in the wrong thread. Read more, post less.
Mr. Knobby 1/10/2016 2:49pm
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TDeath21 wrote:
Stewart can't be cutting down like that in traffic. That's racing 101. Remember Toronto in 2011? I blamed Villopoto for that one and I'm blaming Stewart...
Stewart can't be cutting down like that in traffic. That's racing 101. Remember Toronto in 2011? I blamed Villopoto for that one and I'm blaming Stewart for this one.
Start at the beginning of the thread - that's the whole purpose of the topic. He did the same thing. Racing 101? comprehension 101 more like it.
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Ted722 1/10/2016 2:57pm
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Ted722 wrote:
Not intentional, but the new Dunge was pushing his luck. Lucky the front wheel did'nt get mangled. Bummed for Stewart. First race back and gets punted...
Not intentional, but the new Dunge was pushing his luck. Lucky the front wheel did'nt get mangled.

Bummed for Stewart. First race back and gets punted by the defending champ.

You can't write a more compelling beginning to the SX season.

Unfortunately, it has overshadowed Anderson's awesome race. That was a hell of a ride.
keith101 wrote:
[b]"Unfortunately, it has overshadowed Anderson's awesome race. That was a hell of a ride."[/b] Seely led for 14 laps and Dungey only got into 2nd on...
"Unfortunately, it has overshadowed Anderson's awesome race. That was a hell of a ride."

Seely led for 14 laps and Dungey only got into 2nd on the last lap. I'd give more props to Seely.
Agree. Seely seems to effortlessly put those laps together. Props big time.

How ironic that Seely would lead for 14 laps and get passed by Anderson on lap 15? Same as the old days when they battled in 250.
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I'm sure Reed#22 would agree... Racing incident.
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Even if he did take the same line, what does that mean? You can't blame either for doing what they did, fuck me people, this is supercross, can't wait till next time. The OP rightly points out it happened just a few minutes later (and another hundred times in that race no doubt)

It's a line and a move and an incident that has happened a billion times before in SX and will again. It's hardly any different from Bowers/Webb last year and there's a bunch of vitards looking for a hanging.

Should Stew have cut down so hard so early in the race? Maybe not. But he did.

Should Dungey have gone to the inside so hard so early in the race? Maybe not. But he did.

It's racing. Shit happens. There was nothing intentional about it.
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keith101 1/10/2016 3:25pm
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Crush wrote:
Even if he did take the same line, what does that mean? You can't blame either for doing what they did, fuck me people, this is...
Even if he did take the same line, what does that mean? You can't blame either for doing what they did, fuck me people, this is supercross, can't wait till next time. The OP rightly points out it happened just a few minutes later (and another hundred times in that race no doubt)

It's a line and a move and an incident that has happened a billion times before in SX and will again. It's hardly any different from Bowers/Webb last year and there's a bunch of vitards looking for a hanging.

Should Stew have cut down so hard so early in the race? Maybe not. But he did.

Should Dungey have gone to the inside so hard so early in the race? Maybe not. But he did.

It's racing. Shit happens. There was nothing intentional about it.
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theToothPerry wrote:
Nah, he wouldn't have blamed Stewart on the podium if that was the case but hey [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/01/10/119312/s1200_12510354_10205721592938959_5712091240162753186_n.jpg[/img]
Nah, he wouldn't have blamed Stewart on the podium if that was the case but hey

malachi177 wrote:
Read DV and Windhams take on it...from former Pro's that know a thing or twoWink
There are a few former pro's who see it the other way.

All just a matter of opinion.
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MR. X wrote:
Why do people start a whole new thread instead of posting in an already existing one .
same reason some people like to smell their own farts...Silly
Whoops_Blitzer 1/10/2016 3:37pm
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I wish, but that wasn't the same line at all. Stewart was probably 4 feet further outside, up on the edge of the berm, going outside-inside. When you get up on the berm like that it'll look more like you intend to ride it...although we have people saying Stew took that line a lap earlier.

Anyway, it could easily be that Dungey was planning on jumping inside of him no matter what, in which case it would've happened no matter what.

When Dungey did it, it almost looked like he sneaked a look over his shoulder to see if there was anyone there...
Whoops_Blitzer 1/10/2016 3:40pm
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I think it was RV who made comments 2 years ago about the insanity of the first laps and how it makes starts so important, because guys, especially outside the top 10, are constantly throwing themselves in front of each other for spots.

I do think a rider should be aware of who's behind him before cutting down like that, kind of like seeing who's behind you before you mash the brakes on yellow instead of standing on the gas. I also think a rider should be aware that the rider he's following might cut down (this was more or less Canard's deal last year w Reed. If you insisted that was not a racing incident but Canard's fault, but in this case say it's a racing incident, you might be in the wrong).

Sad that Stewart's out. Hope he's back soon.
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keith101 1/10/2016 3:43pm
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Whoops_Blitzer wrote:
I wish, but that wasn't the same line at all. Stewart was probably 4 feet further outside, up on the edge of the berm, going outside-inside...
I wish, but that wasn't the same line at all. Stewart was probably 4 feet further outside, up on the edge of the berm, going outside-inside. When you get up on the berm like that it'll look more like you intend to ride it...although we have people saying Stew took that line a lap earlier.

Anyway, it could easily be that Dungey was planning on jumping inside of him no matter what, in which case it would've happened no matter what.

When Dungey did it, it almost looked like he sneaked a look over his shoulder to see if there was anyone there...
The only problem with however you analyze it, he failed miserably. I watched a few other passes in that same corner and all were sketchy and within inches of disaster. The track design could have been improved in that section.

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