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After looking through some pictures (well alot) can see a huge difference in roczens riding style from 2011 GP to now. Before he was more attacking and aggressive, were as now he has a dungey style thats more relaxed looking and calm.
Also if you look at when he came and did the few supercross rounds in 2011 to his supercross season this year he scrub everything style has also disappeared..
Kinda miss his aggressive style!
Anyone else notice?
Also if you look at when he came and did the few supercross rounds in 2011 to his supercross season this year he scrub everything style has also disappeared..
Kinda miss his aggressive style!
Anyone else notice?
Mind you,hearing the bikes,they seem to be on the gas a lot more,Barcia's often on the revlimiter again,there are much longer straights and bends that have big sweeping outside lines that enable high speeds to kept up ,sections that require pure horsepower compared with the more technical and challenging(in a diferrent way) GP tracks,track surfaces don't differ like in Europe too where many require a more varied riding style.Roczen looks to have a similar style each week,he does indeed look more like Dungey that in the past
Obviously only he knows for sure, so if that's completely wrong then my apologies to Ken. But if you think back to certain motos this year... the 2nd motos at Highpoint and Budds Creek for instance - it looked as if he had very little left on each occasion. A lack of fitness will undoubtedly limit his performance and aggression. He did get injured before SX and then had a tough time dealing with arm pump (due to the injury) throughout the season, so obviously he lost a bit of time there.
On top of that I think the difference in tracks and subsequent riding style is hurting him to. A GP is more of a marathon across slower, technical tracks. Whereas the AMA is wide open for 30 mins across very fast tracks. As a viewer that's what I see at least.I remember Marc De Reuver getting knackered at Southwick in 08 (despite the fact he can ride 2x 40 mins round Lommel) because the pace is flat out right from the get go. If you tried to ride Lommel like that, you'd probably crash out in less than a lap.
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Seems his style started to change a bit last year, 2011 when he won the MX2 title. He seemed to smooth out quite a bit and we saw more of him on the pegs and technically more precise than in 2010 on the Suz when he was a bit of a "wild child". Maybe it was some of Everts influence? dont know.
Remember all those fully gnar right on the limit scrubs back on the RMZ?
Love this one:
It is probably for the better that he has smoothed out and become more precise, that young "wild child" kid in 2010 prob would of had a tough time finishing a SX series. Dont get me wrong, he still throws em down
Maybe we are just seeing him grow up and mature as not only a rider, but a young man. At least thats how i see it, and im sure many other people have seen him ride a LOT more earlier in his career than i have and i could be totally off base...regardless, i think he is doing just fine. He is battling one of the deepest 250 fields we have seen in years.
Go Kenny!!!
btw: wtf kind of thread title is "Dungey > Roczen" ? If anything i think it would do Kenny a lot of good to go hang out and train with Dunge for awhile. Hard to find a harder worker than RD.
Over here they hardly have 1/4 of that! so adding it to learning the new tracks makes a huge difference, just give Kenny a little time...
...and with that you have my insomnia induced ramble for the night...err..uhhh...i mean morning? im a mess lol
He's just one or two places back from where he usually was last year thats all.
Can't really see the difference.
https://youtu.be/bemM2HBGk88
As long as Kenny doesn't bite someones ear off or whack them in the head with a 22mm socket in a sock, he'll probably be just fine. I do wonder if KRoc could do a scrub in the Red Bull bus better than JLaw did with the Monster motorhome?? Where's that pic?
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Aldon Baker is playing a big part in this I think.
(*I say 30 mins, not sure exactly how much practise they get but I know its not much).
Maybe just maybe Ken is riding at his peak and there is nothing wrong but yet it is not good enough to win an overall? I know, can't be possible because he is a WORLD CHAMP and "Fastest lites rider in the WORLD."
carry on....
I still think he's off his game a click
Answer me this,,do you think Roczen is the same rider that raced in Europe last,at the MXdN where he raced Dungey and Villopoto etc,same level,Yes or No?
Ok on what RV said, but this is straight from the horses mouth from a guy who has....Marvin Musquin from a MXA interview :Didn’t you push that intensity when you raced in Europe?
In Europe I was leading races and I wasn’t pushing as hard as I have to here in the U.S. Over here there is more intensity and the guys are a little bit faster here than in Europe. I do think that Tommy Searle and Jeffrey Herlings would be fast here. However, I never pushed that hard in Europe. I need to work on my intensity.ity.
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Facts are, Baggett didn't win the title in his rookie year (or even his actual first full season), Eli Tomac didn't win the championship in his, Justin Barcia still hasn't won an MX title, Dean Wilson didn't win his title in the first year... and yet Roczen is expected to? On a bike that has never completed in half the rounds?
wow, you must really value the World Championship, if you believe he can do something that American natives, and long-term citizens can't do
The fitness factor (i.e Aldon Baker) is certainly a major one and thats what Ken is struggling with most - and what Musquin is alluding to in that comment above. Until now Ken has simply relied on his natural, youthful fitness to get by but Baggett, at 20 or whatever he is now, has learnt that this isn't enough and has employed arguably the best trainer of them all.
No one can deny that all three top Americans have vastly improved since last season, which happens with experience and the right preparation.
My point is that GP apologist like you can't even phathom that maybe there are guys who are faster than him. It's ridiculous to think that maybe he is riding as good or better but that it's just not good enough so far. Even Musquin who has had MORE success in the GP's says that the pace is faster and more intense, yet, you all have to try to justify his lack of a win. Plus we are not talking about a "rookie" here. He is a WORLD CHAMP and has been riding the GP"s for what 3 years? I would hardly call him a "rookie." And Yes, I do value a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. Its a great achivement and a stepping stone to the big leagues for most.....
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